Jason Brown

[el henry]

Jason in Palm Springs a day or two ago. Frank was obviously not there at that time. Could he be working with Anthony Liu?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BfPDYzxnQlV/?taken-at=1016999579

Wow, good catch. :agree: oh, I miss those spins!

So, off topic, but I looked at the Desert Ice website staff, and they charge identically (of course top dollar) for Frank and Anthony? Hmmm, didn’t know Anthony was that highly regarded.:scratch3:

and I do love the descriptions. All the coaches’ bios on the website are first names: “Jane did this” and “Joe did that”. Not FC. The bio is “Mr. Carroll this” and “Mr. Carroll that”. As it should be

 

[Tavi...]

Jason in Palm Springs a day or two ago. Frank was obviously not there at that time. Could he be working with Anthony Liu?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BfPDYzxnQlV/?taken-at=1016999579

Maybe! I guess it depends on when that clip was actually taken (as opposed to when it was posted).

But I’m guessing it’s hard for him to be in C-S right now, because the OTC is probably a constant reminder that he isn’t at the Olympics. So I actually wouldn’t be surprised if he’s still in CA and is working with both of them.

Anthony is highly respected as a jump technician, and he worked with Jason when he was little. And since D10 sadly missed the FS, Frank may be returning soon. Jason has SOI starting in March or early April (and is still first alternate for Worlds, however unlikely it is he’ll be called), so this is really his best opportunity in the next few months to spend a chunk of time working on jump technique. Watching the FS last night, it was pretty clear to me - and I’m sure to him - that if he stays in the sport through the next Olympics, he really needs at least two solid quads, which he can do both alone and in combination, to be competitive.

I would assume his primary goal in the next season or two will be to get those quads (and his 3A and 3lo) so solid that he can do them as easily as he does his 3f-3t. But it will be tricky, because even if they simplify his programs temporarily, he still needs to do enough to keep getting great PCS. And I’m sure he will want to remain competitive for the World team, even if he doesn’t make it both years. Once he’s accomplished that, he can increase the complexity of his programs and start pushing harder for world level competitive results, to build his body of work prior to the Olympic year.

But it really will require walking a fine line. And staying healthy! One of the most sobering things to me has been seeing how the judges started marking D10 so low in PCS because of his injuries which resulted in technical struggles and poor competitive results. Something similar, though less drastic and without injury issues (to my knowledge), is happening with Patrick Chan. I would hate to see it happen to Jason.

Anyway, not sure what his team’s strategy will be, but them’s my thoughts!

 

[Mrs. P]

Anthony Liu used to coach Tatsuki Machida, IIRC and he did pretty well under him.

I find it amusing that people are acting like Jason's retired and there's no possibility of advancing. Actually, if I was Jason, I'd be pretty motivated by what I saw at the Olympics. Yes he absolutely needs the quad, but he doesn't need 5 of them. The judges made clear they are not just going to roll over cause someone does a quad. In fact with so many people doing quads, it's clear they want something OTHER than quads to set skaters apart.

Yuzuru won with "just" a 4T and 4S and Javi won bronze with just those two quads as well. I also think it's interesting that the judges did not give 90+ to any of the U.S. men -- though it's possible that Nathan could have gotten it if he skated later. But the judges this season make clear that Jason still has an edge on the rest of the U.S. men as far as PCS.

Yes, he certainly could lose it like they did with Ten, but that came after 3 seasons of underperforming. Patrick Chan has also been underperforming, but he still got 91+ PCS too. I agree that Jason just needs to stay healthy and be consistent enough where he isn't scoring >35 in TES in the short of >75 in the free.

Jason just needs to go at his pace and not worry to much where he is relative to everyone else, that's what worked for him previously. He's really in the best position now -- under the radar, people counting him out. Now all eyes on Nathan and Vincent, Jason can just do his own thing -- in a sense I think that's what allowed Adam to do so well here.

Stars on Ice stuff will start right after Worlds, probably -- the first stop is April 6. I agree it's unlikely he'll be called up for Worlds, but who knows.

P.S. regarding his time in Palm Springs -- he was there as late as the Men's short program on Thursday based on the location from his tweet.

 

[Tavi...]

Are people counting him out? I guess I missed that (thankfully!).

I totally think he’ll be motivated by this competition, not just because he missed out, but because he can really focus on what other guys are doing successfully (or not), and if he’s smart (and we know he is), he will see where he fits in and what he needs to do to take the next step.

I thought it was pretty interesting that despite Hanyu’s and Javier’s “low” BV content as compared to Nathan’s, et al, they still took two of the three podium spots. Sure you can say that if Nathan hadn’t seriously underperformed in the SP, he would have grabbed one of those two spots, but unexpected things often happen. I remember people posting lists of BV scores for “top” competitors in some threads, as if that’s all that matters, and I’m so glad it’s not.

Jason still has a significant base value/jump deficit as compared to Hanyu/Javi, but I don’t think it’s insurmountable (I’m sure some people outside the FF would find that delusional, but hey, let them). And of course, new guys will appear on the scene (I think Junhwan will be a star!), guys like Nathan and Vincent will keep working on presentation, etc.

But I’m excited to see how Jason faces his challenges, how the new rules will impact scoring, whether the ISU will make further changes, etc. - it would be really interesting if they changed the PCS multiplier so that there was once again the potential for roughly equal scores. We’ll see, I guess!

 

[Arriba627]

Jason in Palm Springs a day or two ago. Frank was obviously not there at that time. Could he be working with Anthony Liu?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BfPDYzxnQlV/?taken-at=1016999579

Imagine walking in and seeing Jason training at your local rink! I keep hoping it'll happen some day. How fun! I can see him in a future career coaching people as a spin specialist!

 

[karne]

I have read a couple of rumours that Adam may choose not to go to Worlds. How exciting it would be to see Jason one more time this season!

 

[Mrs. P]

That would be interesting. And not out of the realm of possibility. It could be that Adam felt he maxed out at Olympics. But I'll wait until we hear official word.

 

[el henry]

To see Jason in competition again: :hap85:

But just make sure you're on that SOI bus, buddy

 

[Tavi...]

I wish I enjoyed stuff like SOI. I just don’t! Since they’re not coming anywhere near me, I guess that’s lucky for me.

I’m surprised to hear the Adam rumors. I would have thought he’d want to build on Olympic momentum. But maybe he’s exhausted and it’s not like he’s never been. I guess we’ll see.

 

[Mrs. P]

To see Jason in competition again: :hap85:

But just make sure you're on that SOI bus, buddy

OMG, that reminded me of this. (OT)

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2...identally-leave-drummer-in-pyjamas-in-walmart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amGX5jwFAkg#t=1m50s

I wish I enjoyed stuff like SOI. I just don’t! Since they’re not coming anywhere near me, I guess that’s lucky for me.

I’m surprised to hear the Adam rumors. I would have thought he’d want to build on Olympic momentum. But maybe he’s exhausted and it’s not like he’s never been. I guess we’ll see.

I did a twitter search and it seems that TSL is putting that seed in Jason could be going to worlds based on the fact he is (was?) in Palm Springs. Or maybe the fact we've heard little from Adam regarding going to Worlds -- Nathan has said he'll be there, as did Vincent.

Although I caught part of the Mike Trinco interview and he said "Good luck at worlds..." but that was a broad statement at everyone -- I didn't get to hear anything from Adam about his plans.

But who the heck knows.

 

[Tavi...]

Jason just tweeted congrats to Shoma/Yuzuru from Rancho Mirage CA. But not sure why being in Ca would make Worlds more likely.

 

[Mrs. P]

Jason just tweeted congrats to Shoma/Yuzuru from Rancho Mirage CA. But not sure why being in Ca would make Worlds more likely.

Maybe cause arguably if his season was "over" he wouldn't be training, I guess. That was a nice tweet. We'll probably know soon enough...

There's also this:
http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/zaccardi-chen-rippon-close-pyeongchang-olympics-redemption-serenity

Rippon didn’t attempt a quad – as expected – but was proud to finish 10th after making the Olympics in his third and last try. He broke into tears on the ice in what may have been his last competition. Unlike Chen, Rippon is not committing to skating at next month’s world championships.

 

[Impromptu]

Even if all three of the assigned worlds skaters were committed to going to worlds, Jason SHOULD still be training up until the short program draw at Worlds. Post Olympics let downs can fubar the immune system, and it wouldn't surprise me if after all that, someone ends up with a badly timed flu. (I can't count how often I get home from vacation and soon after end up sick). Even in a non-Olympic year, the alternates should be training up to the last moment (injuries happen).

 

[Mrs. P]

Even if all three of the assigned worlds skaters were committed to going to worlds, Jason SHOULD still be training up until the short program draw at Worlds. Post Olympics let downs can fubar the immune system, and it wouldn't surprise me if after all that, someone ends up with a badly timed flu. (I can't count how often I get home from vacation and soon after end up sick). Even in a non-Olympic year, the alternates should be training up to the last moment (injuries happen).

No you're absolutely right!

It's really soon -- just a little over a month from now. That's kind of nuts. For some reason I thought it was later in March.

 

[Tavi...]

Hunh. I missed that NBC article. Adam has really become a media star, I think! And honestly, he’s so witty and outspoken that I could see him going far in that direction - if that’s what he chooses to do. Interesting thought, and it perhaps lends substance to the TSL rumor, but still not conclusive.

@Impromptu, I see Jason as both ambitious and super conscientious - not the kind of guy who would ever blow off training as an alternate, especially 6 weeks before Worlds - a million things could happen in that time.

But I don’t necessarily equate his being in Ca to training for Worlds specifically. He’s got a nice rink and a great coach and trainer and all that in CS. Maybe Kori’s away giving a seminar or there’s something going on at the rink that would make training there difficult. Maybe he just wants to be away from CS during the Olympics. Or maybe he’s seeking input from Frank and/or Anthony Liu on his jumps.

Not gonna get my hopes up that we’ll see him again this season.

 

[Impromptu]

Oh, I wasn't saying that I thought that Jason was or wasn't training. I have no doubt that he is. I was just saying that I wouldn't take that the fact that he IS training means that he has inside information about whether or not he'd be going to worlds (and I wouldn't expect any of the current Olympic team members to make a decision until they've been back in the country at least a week). In non-Olympic years, I'd figure that the alternate has about a 10% chance of going, in an Olympic year, I'd guess that percentage goes up to about 50% (or higher if one of the Olympic team members wins a medal). But 2014, I also would not have expected Jeremy Abbott to go to Worlds, and he did... so these days, all bets are off.

 

[Tavi...]

Oh, I wasn't saying that I thought that Jason was or wasn't training. I have no doubt that he is. I was just saying that I wouldn't take that the fact that he IS training means that he has inside information about whether or not he'd be going to worlds (and I wouldn't expect any of the current Olympic team members to make a decision until they've been back in the country at least a week). In non-Olympic years, I'd figure that the alternate has about a 10% chance of going, in an Olympic year, I'd guess that percentage goes up to about 50% (or higher if one of the Olympic team members wins a medal). But 2014, I also would not have expected Jeremy Abbott to go to Worlds, and he did... so these days, all bets are off.

I didn’t think you were implying that! And I agree that we’ll have to wait and see - I totally remember that everyone was convinced Jeremy wouldn’t go - but he did.

 

[karne]

The other interesting question of course is, if Jason replaces Adam on the team, who replaces Jason as first alternate? Ross' social media seems to imply he hasn't been training like an alternate, and Max had those brilliant skates at 4CC...

 

[Tavi...]

As long as we’re speculating, yet another interesting question is which free skate Jason would use. After 4CCs, I would have thought Piano, except that he had such a moment with it last year at Worlds. His recent “you’ve kept me out for the last time” tweet featured that memorable “stop” from Inner Love, but perhaps he just used old practice clips for that tweet. Either way, I vote for the plain black costume. As far as I’m concerned he could wear it forever - so elegant and flattering. But then I again, I eat the same breakfast every day and never get bored.

Gonna stop speculating now - as @Impromptu said, Adam likely won’t make the decision until he leaves Korea.

 

[Tallorder]

Definitely prudent for Jason to stay on track, training for Worlds IMO. JMO.