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Second installment of Jason's blog has been posted:

Lots of fun stuff, but a mini-excerpt for those who have been following his practices:
For me, on my first practice session Tuesday, I was sort of in a daze, unaware of where I was. I was very turned around and confused. I wasn't quite sure where my body was. It was one of those sessions where I just had to push through. The second one, on the other hand, was much better. I still wasn't fully with it, but I left feeling that practice day No. 2 would be more normal.
 
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Hersh's article didn't bother me that much either. As golden411 said, he did get a lot of criticism; yes the peanut gallery was most vocal in expressing displeasure but many others, including commentators did take note of his lack of one and some others disagreed with the result cause of that.

As to whether the criticism influenced him to put the jump in earlier than planned, perhaps. But I don't think that was the sole factor. Maybe it was going a lot better and they felt confident to give it a try and see how it feels in competition.

He's not falling on it, which is important. Splating on something like a quad is a lot worse, IMO, from a physical standpoint, then two-footing or URing. Obviously his errors are costly in IJS, but I think it's far enough along where he can try it without physical harm or risk, which is much more important. If nothing else, he can move on and rock the rest of the program.
 
I did eye-roll at the "after criticism", but only because that seems to me a cheap journalistic trick (having been a paid, working sportswriter for a real live newspaper for all of three months in the summer of 1979, so I am clearly an expert :laugh2:). "Experts say" "After criticism" "Critics point out" and so forth. Exactly who these folks are isn't in the first graf of Hersh's article, that's for sure...

But here's my worry, Jason fans ... Frankly, Jason has never finished Juke "on time" to my eyes, not even in Broadmoor. The last chord is wailing and he's still spinning, let along standing with the jaunty pose. He's never had a deduction for timeliness (although I know Mrs. P noted it too in the Nats' SP). Will the quad, the way Jason stalks these jumps, hurt his timing even more?

I keep telling myself, it's only 4CCs:biggrin:
 
I did eye-roll at the "after criticism", but only because that seems to me a cheap journalistic trick (having been a paid, working sportswriter for a real live newspaper for all of three months in the summer of 1979, so I am clearly an expert :laugh2:). "Experts say" "After criticism" "Critics point out" and so forth. Exactly who these folks are isn't in the first graf of Hersh's article, that's for sure...

But here's my worry, Jason fans ... Frankly, Jason has never finished Juke "on time" to my eyes, not even in Broadmoor. The last chord is wailing and he's still spinning, let along standing with the jaunty pose. He's never had a deduction for timeliness (although I know Mrs. P noted it too in the Nats' SP). Will the quad, the way Jason stalks these jumps, hurt his timing even more?

I keep telling myself, it's only 4CCs:biggrin:

Which is even cheaper when old Philly boy here was the main one leading the charge of "no quad!"

Meh, I guess press is good of any kind. . . it could be worse, but geez the intro really started things out on the wrong foot.

as for the music and ending, I think they just plan it that way. So long as he finishes within the grace period, in theroy he is ok. Not a fan of it, but have to admit it worked well at nationals, I liked the quick stop. It has not been an issue yet, so hopefully it will not be one here or anywhere else. I would not worry about the quad affecting it. It comes early enough, he can listen for music cues and do what he needs to to get back on pace.
 
I also think that the music just ends a second or two before the end of the program. I really haven't noticed any issues as far as his skating to the music, so I don't think it's a timing thing.

Eh, Phil is not the only one RE: the quad. It's just a thing now. People consider that the THING you need to be a contender, so it seems odd to have someone who wins a championship without one. The thing is that there is always that comes along who find other ways to win and that's often lost on some writers.

If you look at basketball for example... there isn't a cookie-cutter way to get the points to win. Some teams are physical, full-court teams that win by basically working the court and others are more finesse teams that win games by good passing/ball handling. Football is the same way.

Actually, I feel like Jason is very much like skating's version Seattle Seahawks -- yes we've moved on to football -- in that Jason's sort of a unique skater that's sort of hard to understand. With the Seahawks, Russell Wilson is not the typical quarterback and the team doesn't play like everyone else.

Sometime that weird strategy works and other times it doesn't (see final play of Super Bowl). But they own up to who they and don't let the naysayers get in the way.

http://seattletimes.com/html/jerrybrewer/2025568442_jerrybrewercolumn29xml.html
Here’s Carroll at his most positive: A reporter asked him about integrity. With the Patriots’ football deflation scandal, the game’s integrity has been under fire the past two weeks. Carroll disregarded the scandal and used the question to discuss the difference between a mistake and a character flaw.

It was an interesting window into the way he thinks about players. As a coach who values grit and sometimes pushes to acquire hard-edged guys, his teams have been criticized as being undisciplined, and his methods have been called too loose. But listen to Carroll’s perspective.

“We wish to maintain the highest level of integrity,” Carroll said. “That doesn’t mean that we always make the right choices, and we do the right things in all of our lives. We make mistakes. We screw up. We misinterpret a situation, and we don’t handle it properly. The integrity is demonstrated by how you come out of that, I think, not by the fact that you falter and you err. I think it’s how you respond to it, and then do you respond and stick to the right manner and stay on the right path? I think that’s what we’re faced with.

“Do you face up to the truth? Do you get to it and do you work to do the right thing? Even then, we make mistakes. We continue to falter. But that’s not because we’re not trying to act with the highest of standards. ... We have a chance to help people learn also how to right their own issues in the way we demonstrate. I think we’re fortunate to have this responsibility, and we’re called on to do the right thing as best we possibly can.”

It always comes back to relationships with Carroll. Only he could manage such a crazy, boisterous roster and garner so much respect from his players. I’ve never met a head coach who is as committed to individual player development as he is to team success. One equals the other to Carroll. Both are important. That’s why he’s able to get the best out of his teams without being the old-school disciplinarian coach.

But don’t make the mistake of thinking there’s no discipline in this program.

“Just because you celebrate someone’s uniqueness, that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have any rules,” linebackers coach Ken Norton Jr. said. “You are unique, but you still have the rules on your job. Guys don’t have complete, ‘Do what you want to do.’ We have rules. They understand that there are certain times to work, there are times to play, there are certain rules to be involved in. So, don’t overplay the uniqueness of it. Pete does a great job of player evaluation and at the same time, making it seem like you can do what you want, but you really can’t.”

The NFL loves uniformity, but the Seahawks are a hodgepodge upon first glance. Look again, and then they seem more connected than any team in the league.

It’s the multiplicity that makes their culture special — and impossible to replicate.

If you replace "Carroll (Pete Carroll, Seattle Seahawks head coach)" with "Kori Ade" and the players with "Jason Brown" or the rest of her skaters, this snippet very much applies to them too. :)
 
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I have a problem with the Hersh article because 1) before Nats, Jason said he would practice quad at Nats and consider putting it in at Worlds, and 2) he implies without so stating that it was his criticism that motivated Jason's supposed change of heart.
 
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I have a problem with the Hersh article because 1) before Nats, Jason said he would practice quad at Znats and consider putting it in at Worlds, and 2) he implies without so stating that it was his criticism that motivated Jason's supposed change of heart.

But mentioning correlation =/= imply causation.

Phil is referencing the fact that Jason's team's decision to add the quad at 4CC -- a surprising move (even for us fans) -- came after the criticism, but I don't think he's saying that was the cause of the decision. That is something that readers are inferring from that statement.

Let's face it, it was surprising that he added it this soon. Yes he said before that if he got on the World team he would think about adding it for Worlds, but he never said a single word about doing it for 4CC.
 
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I actually found the new Hersh article less annoying than the first article and especially the l-o-n-g two-part taped interview he gave TSL just after Nationals.

At least the new article was (mostly) cogent. The taped interview was really appalling. Hersh agreed to the timing and detail, but was repeatedly vague and/or inconsistent in many of his answers and comments. To their credit, Jenny and especially Dave insisted upon trying to pin him down in discussing all the top male and female competitors--to little or no avail. When cornered, he repeatedly referred to having been on deadline and not having had the time yet to review the videos. Of course, he could have asked for more time to prepare. I learned a few things, but not much!

The reason I've objected most to the first article is that it really felt more like a hatchet job than a report. Jason was the only competitor to skate a pristine short and received the second-highest scores in the long. He had no falls, no downgrades and just one negative grade of execution in both programs combined. If Hersh even alluded to any of this, it didn't come through. Instead, the "report" focused on how injurious having a quad-less national champion could be to US figure skating in the world arena. And then he capped it all off, by giving Rafael Artunian (the silver medalist's coach) the opportunity to "comment". Solid journalism-not.
 
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Quite honestly, extreme criticism is part of the game. That is what happens when you win. I think Jason and the rest of his team can handle it. No, they need to handle it. This stuff now is child's play -- he's going to get more as he continues in his career. I hate it, of course, but there's no point of wishing it away.

While I don't agree with every single opinion Phil Hersh expresses, it's noteworthy that he still even bothers to cover the sport. The Chicago Tribune is not in the best financial shape, and it's gone through numerous layoffs. I would not be surprised that after Phil retires or moves on, that they stop covering skating.

Deep down, I think Hersh does appreciate the sport and have a strong opinion on its future. It's just that not everyone agrees with it. I don't agree with Phil Hersh's opinion of gloom-and-doom about men's figure skating that he has expressed in the last few years, but I certainly can see why he has that viewpoint.
 
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Yeah, my problem with this article is the sentence "Less than a month after being criticized for becoming national champion without trying a quadruple jump---". The whole thing is just wrong: why would you criticise Jason for winning without trying a quad? He didn't judge himself.
 
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Yeah, my problem with this article is the sentence "Less than a month after being criticized for becoming national champion without trying a quadruple jump---". The whole thing is just wrong: why would you criticise Jason for winning without trying a quad? He didn 't judge himself.

But he was, that's the thing! I obviously don't agree, of course. But I mean, it was everywhere, on social media even on the freakin' Ice Desk. Many felt Adam Rippon should have won simply cause he did a 4Z, totally disregarding the fact that neither jump was rotated. That doesn't make it right, but that's the state of affairs today.

I am in the minority, clearly, but I think we need not not throw tomatoes at Phil for stating what happened. :laugh:
 
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Hersh has just tweeted the practice video of Jason's quad:
@olyphil
Landing 2-footed but it definitely was quad attempt by @jasonbskates in wed practice:
12:09 PM - 11 Feb 2015

(I know that Hersh is not the first to share the video -- I'm saying that Hersh does want people to see that Jason is landing the quad. :))
 
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But mentioning correlation =/= imply causation.

Phil is referencing the fact that Jason's team's decision to add the quad at 4CC -- a surprising move (even for us fans) -- came after the criticism, but I don't think he's saying that was the cause of the decision. That is something that readers are inferring from that statement.

Let's face it, it was surprising that he added it this soon. Yes he said before that if he got on the World team he would think about adding it for Worlds, but he never said a single word about doing it for 4CC.

Mrs P are you sure you're not a lawyer?! ;)

Seriously, it's not a huge deal, but the way he has constructed the article leaves a lot open to interpretation, and that's really the point of my criticism. He doesn't say that he received a text directly from Kori, but surely you could interpret it that way. He chooses Jason's comments selectively, and does not mention that Jason practiced a quad at Nats or that he said he might put it in at worlds. In short, he's presenting a narrative he has shaped for his readers as the facts, when...some of the facts are missing. And while I get that a writer has to be selective, and that he may be limited in word count, in this I case simply don't respect what he wrote.

That said, I agree that hearing the quad news was surprising to many, including me!

And to completely change the subject, I loved Jason's most recent blog entry - what funny, vivid description of his attempts not to wake up Danny!
 
When Jason put in the 3A, he put it in in the summer. And it was a long, cold autumn of falls on the JGP...but it all worked out well. Can't olyphil try to remember that this is the first time Jason has qualified to 4CC's, and the kid has never been to senior Worlds???

:rolleye:
 
When Jason put in the 3A, he put it in in the summer. And it was a long, cold autumn of falls on the JGP...but it all worked out well. Can't olyphil try to remember that this is the first time Jason has qualified to 4CC's, and the kid has never been to senior Worlds???

:rolleye:


You have an interesting point there, Doris. In a sense Jason has relatively little experience in the major championship competitions, but I think because he went to the Olympics, everyone is sort of treating him as a more seasoned competitor. I mean out of the top 12 ranked at 4CC, he, Daisuke Murakami and Shoma Uno are the only three to not have competed at either 4CC or Worlds before!
 
Stupid question:

How did Hersh's reporting treat Lysacek as he worked his way up the ranks to his national, world, and Olympic championships?

My not-well-informed two cents are that Hersh seems (justifiably) motivated to write as much as he can about Jason as another skating biggie from the Chicago area -- and that means writing about "the good, the bad, and the ugly" (so to speak).
I am wondering whether Hersh's quad-watch could be a form of "tough love" for a kid that he has been following for many years longer than I and some others (but not all) in this GS thread have.

Jason/Kori must have a decent professional relationship with Hersh -- given that when J/K have had news to share in the past, sometimes they have chosen Hersh as the first outlet.
The most recent example, IIRC, was the launch of Jason's formal relationship with Ronald McDonald Houses. But I'm pretty sure that there have been others.

ETA, anecdotal thing that adds to my belief that Hersh wants Jason to do well and that Hersh is not on a mission to make Jason look bad:
After Jason's 2014 Skate America silver, Hersh originally wrote (in error) that Jason was three for three with medals at his GPs.
Hersh later corrected the article to the reality of two for three ... but his mistake could be perceived as a Freudian ;) wish that Jason were a medalist at every GP.​
 
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Stupid question:

How did Hersh's reporting treat Lysacek as he worked his way up the ranks to his national, world, and Olympic championships?

My not-well-informed two cents are that Hersh seems (justifiably) motivated to write as much as he can about Jason as another skating biggie from the Chicago area -- and that means writing about "the good, the bad, and the ugly" (so to speak).
I am wondering whether Hersh's quad-watch could be a form of "tough love" for a kid that he has been following for many years longer than I and some others (but not all) in this GS thread have.

Jason/Kori must have a decent professional relationship with Hersh -- given that when J/K have had news to share in the past, sometimes they have chosen Hersh as the first outlet.
The most recent example, IIRC, was the launch of Jason's formal relationship with Ronald McDonald Houses. But I'm pretty sure that there have been others.

I wasn't really following skating that closely to remember how Evan was covered in his early days.

The first words on Jason came on Feb. 1, 2011. (Actually he says as much. :laugh:)

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com...ter-brown-hopes-to-follow-lysaceks-path-.html

I think there are high expectations, for sure. I mean, Phil basically believes that Jason can be the incarnation of Lysacek. And Jason and Kori have made a note of saying they want to follow a similar path. And from Phil's perspective, he has said this many time, Evan is the last guy to make a huge splash in men's figure skating (whether you like him or not is a different story).
 
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Any chance we could watch Jason skate live? I'm central time; when should I turn in to watch him? Hopefully it won't clash with any of my classes but I can always skip them (yay college!)
 
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