Jason Brown

[karne]

Ahem.

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Uh, nice outfit?

Ahhhhhhh, this brings me back to the engine shape discussion. This would have been a perfect picture for the discussion at the time, which was basically that Jason's engine sticks out quite a bit and always has.

I am just no shame at this point.

I was kind of surprised no one mentioned this from my video.....AHEM

Actually really loved this shot. LOOK EVERYONE, A GUY WHO GETS TO 180 ON HIS SPLIT.

Yeah...but he is so good at the Russian Splits that I couldn't not use it but TBH CoC and WC had some really bizarre zooms. Oh..well. I don't think anyone will be too upset.

Not to get technical, but that one isn't a Russian split, it's a forward split. One leg in front, one behind, not one to either side like the Russian split.

Oh, and I get you on the camera shots. BAN THE OVERHEAD CAMERA

 

[StitchMonkey]

Actually really loved this shot. LOOK EVERYONE, A GUY WHO GETS TO 180 ON HIS SPLIT.

I think it would be improved if his head was kept in frame, but whatever. The air position is rather lovely.

 

[Mrs. P]

To bring this back ...to um...somewhere else ...am I the only one noticing Jason's air positioning is really good. Some of the slow motion jumps are really gorgeous with how he uses his arms. I think his jumps are very underrated :yes: I know quad talk is kind of Taboo with Jason but I would be surprised of he isn't doing one by the end of next year. Either way I'm not going to complain because he offers far more than jumps which is número number one in my book. :yes:

Haha, sorry for exposing my moment of awkwardness.

Anyway, :agree:

Honestly, the jumps look a lot better and you can tell he's working to get those high levels of +GOE. The Stats on Ice site shows that his 3F-3T from 4CC (11.88) is the fifth highest of ALL time. And the ones above him are all from pre-2011, when the +GOE scale of values were higher and the 3F-3T(x) BV was slightly higher. (Also for the 2014-2015 season he has the top 2 scores).

Jason also has the third highest 3Z score ever (8.2 from Skate America 2013). And again the the two above him were pre-2011, again when +GOE scale of values was higher.

The 3A needs work, of course, but...I'm sure that will continue to improve if Worlds SP is any indication. :yes: And I am optimistic about the quad as well.

ETA: Thought this would be a fun little thing to share: https://www.dropbox.com/s/302d6vbmlfbnjgi/Screenshot 2015-04-05 21.28.59.png?dl=0

That camel spin in the FS.....judges really loved it this season!

 

[karne]

The 3A needs work, of course, but...I'm sure that will continue to improve if Worlds SP is any indication. :yes: And I am optimistic about the quad as well.

I was mightily impressed by how much better the 3A looked at Worlds. Less stalking and a lot more stepping into it quickly. I too am optimistic that by the end of this off-season, we will see it in action. But first, a stop-over at the WTT. He will be grand there - the style of competition is well-suited to his temperament.

ETA: Thought this would be a fun little thing to share: https://www.dropbox.com/s/302d6vbmlfbnjgi/Screenshot 2015-04-05 21.28.59.png?dl=0

That camel spin in the FS.....judges really loved it this season!

Not at all surprising to me - a judge would have to be blind and drunk not to give his camel +GOE! He has a superb base position with a long stretched line, a good layover position, his transitions between positions are not too bad, and that half-Biellmann position he hits - and the speed he keeps while doing it - is utterly divine.

 

[TMC]

Haha, sorry for exposing my moment of awkwardness.

Anyway, :agree:

Honestly, the jumps look a lot better and you can tell he's working to get those high levels of +GOE. The Stats on Ice site shows that his 3F-3T from 4CC (11.88) is the fifth highest of ALL time. And the ones above him are all from pre-2011, when the +GOE scale of values were higher and the 3F-3T(x) BV was slightly higher. (Also for the 2014-2015 season he has the top 2 scores).

Jason also has the third highest 3Z score ever (8.2 from Skate America 2013). And again the the two above him were pre-2011, again when +GOE scale of values was higher.

The 3A needs work, of course, but...I'm sure that will continue to improve if Worlds SP is any indication. :yes: And I am optimistic about the quad as well.

ETA: Thought this would be a fun little thing to share: https://www.dropbox.com/s/302d6vbmlfbnjgi/Screenshot 2015-04-05 21.28.59.png?dl=0

That camel spin in the FS.....judges really loved it this season!

This is huge :shocked:

 

[TMC]

This is wonderful! I love how you wove the two programs together and the music you chose is great. I loved that we got a close up of his face, which is so expressive.

For those of you who don't speak Spanish (Sam used their clips) - the commentators just raved about him in both programs. Among other things: in the SP: 3A - great, he's gotten better technically, great height and free leg was impeccable. 3Lz: really great, +2 at minimum. Combo: a little scratchy, snow. General: wow! How great- he interprets really well and jumped really well even tho the combo was scratchy. What a pity he doesn't have a quad yet. For FS: 3Lz: great, enormous. Great 3Lo. 3A: under rotated. General: what a pity he he has no chance of winning without a quad, but this guy is so great. Beautiful program. So athletic. So much charisma. Brilliant. Spectacular choreographic sequence. Wow, brilliant, what a great way to end the world championships.

I am so happy to have a safe place to post nice things about Jason.

Thank you SO much papagena! I've been watching that video more than any other, I guess I like it more than others because of their obvious love for Jason. Especially the ending makes me smile a lot I've also been wondering what they say in it so thank you so much for the translation! I'd love to know what the lady announcer is saying just before the Lutz-loop-Sal combo here?

And it is indeed wonderful to be able to gush without some negative nancy there to suck the fun out of the thing :yes:

I'm so looking forward to WTT; Jason and Max are such cuties and seeing them interact in the K&C will make the whole event a million times better

 

[Tavi...]

Thank you SO much papagena! I've been watching that video more than any other, I guess I like it more than others because of their obvious love for Jason. Especially the ending makes me smile a lot I've also been wondering what they say in it so thank you so much for the translation! I'd love to know what the lady announcer is saying just before the Lutz-loop-Sal combo here?

And it is indeed wonderful to be able to gush without some negative nancy there to suck the fun out of the thing :yes:

I'm so looking forward to WTT; Jason and Max are such cuties and seeing them interact in the K&C will make the whole event a million times better

I'm glad! Yes I'm also looking forward to Jason and Max at WTT. I hope Max has great new programs and I hope Jason skates two perfectly clean, beautiful programs, and that the whole team has a great time cheering each other on!

Re the announcer: she says, "que bueno es este chico...en su nivel, que bueno es este chico. "

Basically: this guy is so great...for his level, this guy is so great!

There are a few different word choices for "chico" - you could also translate it as kid or boy, but this makes most sense to me. Also, "que bueno es este chico" could also be "how good is this guy" kind of like what the Eurosport guy says.

"En su nivel" - at his level - is a reference to the fact that he doesn't have a quad, so he's not at the same level as Javi, D10 or Yuzu.

ETA: at the end, after he's finished skating, she switches to talking about Javi and spends quite a bit of time saying how great it is that he's world champion.

 

[dorispulaski]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckQ3s1dhtvg

Old interview when Jason was 16 and trying to learn his 3a.

Video footage of him working on it.

 

[Mrs. P]

John Coughlin
‏@JohnCoughlinUSA
Honored and humbled to be nominated with Jason Brown and Brent Bommentre for the Gustave Lussi Award. Thank you, PSA!

https://twitter.com/JohnCoughlinUSA/status/585131249318100993

There isn't any official release from the Professional Skaters Association, but typically the awards are given in May.

John Coughlin is U.S. pairs champ with Caydee Denney. Brenet Bommetre is a U.S. Nationals medalist with Kim Navarro.

According to this page: http://www.skatepsa.com/PSA-EDI-AWARDS.htm, the award is "presented to a male, professional skater who has brought recognition to the sport in a positive and favorable manner." Charlie White won the award in 2014. Other recipients include Michael Weiss, Ryan Bradley, Brian Orser, Kurt Browning, Sergei Grinkov, Brian Boritano and Scott Hamilton.

The award is named after Gustave Lussi, a well-regarded skating coach. His students included Dick Button and John Curry.

 

[TMC]

Thank you again papagena

 

[ice coverage]

John Coughlin
‏@JohnCoughlinUSA
Honored and humbled to be nominated with Jason Brown and Brent Bommentre for the Gustave Lussi Award. Thank you, PSA!

https://twitter.com/JohnCoughlinUSA/status/585131249318100993

There isn't any official release from the Professional Skaters Association, but typically the awards are given in May.

John Coughlin is U.S. pairs champ with Caydee Denney. Brenet Bommetre is a U.S. Nationals medalist with Kim Navarro. ...

Congratulations to Jason, John, and Brent . And thx for the news, Mrs. P.

(For those [like me] who don't know very much about Kim and Brent, they are ice dancers.
Have performed a lot in shows for SOI, Disson, Sun Valley. I think they were part of the group that competed on America's Got Talent.
Kim recently gave ice dance commentary for Worlds [IIRC] on Universal Sports.)

 

[deetrakt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckQ3s1dhtvg

Old interview when Jason was 16 and trying to learn his 3a.

Video footage of him working on it.

The interviewer is Phil Hersh, when Jason was still in Chicago and Phil was in his (much friendlier) interview mode. It seems like Phil had a lighter touch when both Gracie Gold and Jason were the young hometown favorites--before they left Chicago to train elsewhere.

 

[StitchMonkey]

The interviewer is Phil Hersh, when Jason was still in Chicago and Phil was in his (much friendlier) interview mode. It seems like Phil had a lighter touch when both Gracie Gold and Jason were the young hometown favorites--before they left Chicago to train elsewhere.

Maybe he gets bitter at them leaving.

He did seems so nice here, part of why his later articles seem so odd. Like he is trying to be cruel on purpose to balance out the former niceness.

 

[Mrs. P]

The interviewer is Phil Hersh, when Jason was still in Chicago and Phil was in his (much friendlier) interview mode. It seems like Phil had a lighter touch when both Gracie Gold and Jason were the young hometown favorites--before they left Chicago to train elsewhere.

I don't think moving to new training sites has anything to do with Phil's criticisms as of late.

Also back in fall 2011 (when this video was filmed), Jason was in a much different position. He wasn't even a senior yet internationally and had just competed at his first nationals as a senior where he got a top 10 finish, well above anyone's expectations. The struggles with the 3A was seen as part of a process for a young and growing skater back then.

Fast-forward 4 years later -- Jason is national champ and still has problems with his 3A . I can see how the lens of Hersh's reporting would have changed (even if I don't agree with all his criticism).

Jason, for better or worse, is considered a contender now in the eyes of Hersh, not a young skater with potential, so he's going to be reported in that lens.

And FWIW, he just wrote a story that noted that Jason was the bright spot of Worlds for Team USA.

 

[StitchMonkey]

Jason, for better or worse, is considered a contender now in the eyes of Hersh, not a young skater with potential, so he's going to be reported in that lens.

And FWIW, he just wrote a story that noted that Jason was the bright spot of Worlds for Team USA.

You sure about that? I thought you needed quads to be seen as a contender in Hersh's eyes.

I'm still rather bitter about how Phill handled nationals. Fine, Jason is the only one who did not attempt a quad, he is also the only one that did not screw up a quad - maybe include that highly relevant part of the story. I really loath the way he was implying to casual readers the USA has a stable of consistent quad jumpers that Jason surpassed. That is not the case at all, and I don't see it as being balanced and objective reporting, it comes across as an agenda to make Jason look bad.

If Phill wants to look at the fact that only one skater landed any clean quads and nationals, and what that implies for USA skating, that would be fine. If he wants to look at all the attempts that were not successful and ask why, fine, that is a valid issue and conversation topic. But to deliberately present it that others were successfully doing something that Jason is not, makes it a tabloid editorial piece, not objective reporting. I would rather he had taken more of an angle of "Why are USA guys not landing the quad" because that might actually have some balance and fairness to it.

 

[QMATTERS]

You have until 7:00 p.m. EST tomorrow (Tuesday) to vote at the following site http://www.teamusa.org/awards to vote for Jason at Male Athlete of March. I voted for him, Simone Biles for Female Athlete of March and Chock and Bate for team. I am just happy that Jason got nominated!

 

[deetrakt]

I don't think moving to new training sites has anything to do with Phil's criticisms as of late.

Also back in fall 2011 (when this video was filmed), Jason was in a much different position. He wasn't even a senior yet internationally and had just competed at his first nationals as a senior where he got a top 10 finish, well above anyone's expectations. The struggles with the 3A was seen as part of a process for a young and growing skater back then.

Fast-forward 4 years later -- Jason is national champ and still has problems with his 3A . I can see how the lens of Hersh's reporting would have changed (even if I don't agree with all his criticism).

Jason, for better or worse, is considered a contender now in the eyes of Hersh, not a young skater with potential, so he's going to be reported in that lens.

And FWIW, he just wrote a story that noted that Jason was the bright spot of Worlds for Team USA.

The point I was trying to make is that, like Dave and Jenny on TSL, Phil Hersh in interviewer mode is very different from Hersh in pundit mode. Jason's move away from Chicago limited Hersh's access. Has he ever interviewed Jason since he left for Colorado Springs?

I don't think Hersh is anti-Jason. What I think he's trying to do is drum up reader interest by taking a tough "investigative journalist" tone. The problem, whether regarding Jason or other figure skating issues, is that his approach is not just tough but pretty superficial and sometimes mean-spirited. For example, in the post-Worlds article I think you're referring to, he couldn't leave the topic of Jason's performance without adding how far below the 3 medalists he scored.

 

[StitchMonkey]

The point I was trying to make is that, like Dave and Jenny on TSL, Phil Hersh in interviewer mode is very different from Hersh in pundit mode. Jason's move away from Chicago limited Hersh's access. Has he ever interviewed Jason since he left for Colorado Springs?

I don't think Hersh is anti-Jason. What I think he's trying to do is drum up reader interest by taking a tough "investigative journalist" tone. The problem, whether regarding Jason or other figure skating issues, is that his approach is not just tough but pretty superficial and sometimes mean-spirited. For example, in the post-Worlds article I think you're referring to, he couldn't leave the topic of Jason's performance without adding how far below the 3 medalists he scored.

Well said. And a point I could stand to be more forgiving of. He should be able to wear both hats. I just wish he also had a bit more of a objective reporting hat that he wore along with the pundit and interviewer hats.

Like you said, he did not need to include how far below the medalist he was. Half his readers are likely barely aware that ordinals are not used. Had any of the top three gotten injured and withdrawn, or had a non-clean drug test, Jason would be on the podium. There is no "you are too many points behind to medal" rule. Including the points came across a bit like saying "see I was right that he needs a quad to medal!" which is not what we need. Any way you slice it, Jason did well at worlds, there is no need to add a caveat.

The really sad thing is, had he taken more of an eat your words approach, and admitted that Jason did better than expected, and wrote about how you can't always know what to predict, that could have been a really really good piece!

 

[Mrs. P]

The point I was trying to make is that, like Dave and Jenny on TSL, Phil Hersh in interviewer mode is very different from Hersh in pundit mode. Jason's move away from Chicago limited Hersh's access. Has he ever interviewed Jason since he left for Colorado Springs?

I don't think Hersh is anti-Jason. What I think he's trying to do is drum up reader interest by taking a tough "investigative journalist" tone. The problem, whether regarding Jason or other figure skating issues, is that his approach is not just tough but pretty superficial and sometimes mean-spirited. For example, in the post-Worlds article I think you're referring to, he couldn't leave the topic of Jason's performance without adding how far below the 3 medalists he scored.

Yes: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...-highland-park-skater-senior-grand-prix-debut

Phil does wear two hats as a sports columnist and as a beat reporter covering the Olympics. I could understand how that might confuse some on his role.

Phli is harsh, but I don't think he's mean spirited, at least in his columns. I think he comes from the premise that the U.S. Men, in general, is still behind the field technically relative to the rest of the world field and Jason -- USA No. 1-- illustrates his principle perfectly. I disagree with the premise, but I certainly understand why he feels that way.

I also don't find it mean spirited that he pointed out that Jason was 20 points from the medalists. He was. That's a fact.

I feel, in general, that Phil is far too pessimistic in his view of U.S. men and especially Jason, but I just don't agree with the characterizations of his work that are being presented here. His job is to look at athletes with a critical eye.

Jason has his team and his fans to heap him with praise and optimism.

 

[ice coverage]

... For example, in the post-Worlds article I think you're referring to, he couldn't leave the topic of Jason's performance without adding how far below the 3 medalists he scored.

It's great that Jason placed fourth .

But you are doing Jason no favors by claiming that Hersh's point about the large scoring gap is not a valid one.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...wn-figure-skating-st-0331-20150331-story.html​

Whether Hersh had written about the gap or not, I'm sure that Kori and USFS have thought long and hard about it.
Everyone keeps talking about Kori taking the long view. Her long-term vision includes a world (and/or Olympic) medal for Jason, does it not?
Although Jason's placement came very close this year, his score did not. So Kori should be -- and I firmly believe that she is -- calculating (in a good way ) how to add points to his programs. And being realistic as to how large the gap is obviously is important for her planning.