Jason Brown

[caitie]

I don't think Jason's reputation is that big of a deal. I love Jason's skating and think he deserved to be national champion, bit he was very nearly beaten by two other skaters at Nationals, and although he placed 4th at Worlds, there is a wall between him and the skaters who medaled that Jason is unlikely to break through without a quad (or a serious business splatfest). With that in mind and with the unpredictability of men's skating, I don't think cultivating an aura of invincible National Championess is that important, especially at summer competitions.

I was worried about Jason's jumping content last season when it looked like he may have lost his triple axel to me. Now I know Kori's strategy thanks to her TSL interview, and given that Jason was one of the only US skaters to peak at the end of the season, I'm going to cross my fingers that it works for him again!

 

[polenka84]

IMO this was an unusually off day for Jason all around. His programs are looking good in practice (though often they only train pieces of the program at this time of year), as does his triple axel...I'd say the axel is in a far better place this year than last. I think he's the type of skater that needs to be out there competing early...especially with the quad...because he needs that time to find his groove competition-wise (particularly with the quad...which also consistently looks far better in practice than it has in any competitive situation he's tried it in thus far). We can try to simulate competition run-throughs all we want but it's not ever going to be the same as a true competition.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

I love your updates!!!

 

[Mrs. P]

+1 on the inside info. That is exactly what I figured. Better to be off now than in the fall and more importantly January.

 

[caitie]

Thirded. Thanks, polenka84!

 

[Tavi...]

Thirded. Thanks, polenka84!

Fourthed! Is that a word?

Now that you say he has been training pieces what happened in SP and to lesser extent the FS makes total sense. To me he looked very tentative in SP and almost as if this were the first time he'd put the pieces together. As you say, simulations help but there is no real way to simulate the pressure of competition, especially with all the expectations he faces.

For those who haven't seen it, a user on FSU posted fancam of his FS in the Jason Brown uber thread in Trash Can. Clip seems to be unlisted and not sure if we're allowed to link directly to FSU but it's easy to find.

 

[karne]

Someone linked it in the Glacier Falls thread here.

I LOVE the costume for this. My only concern about it is that the sash is loose; I'm worried that he might accidentally put his arm through it while he's reaching back for his blade or his leg. It has the potential to be ruined but I sincerely hope that apart from attaching the sash, they don't touch it again from here.

This program sends me to my happy place.

 

[babyskate]

This is a beautiful program. It has potential to be a masterpiece. I think we take for granted just how difficult a quad is to learn and properly execute. There really are only a small handful of skaters that can do one well and consistently. The training and learning takes a physical and emotional toll and in this stage can effect the rest of the elements. Kori and her team seem to know just how far to push the training while avoiding injury.
Jason may come across care free and happy(which he is) but he is a serious perfectionist and competitor as well. I have no doubts that these programs will be in a better place by Skate America.
I was still so entranced by his FS. I hope others enjoyed it as well.

 

[caitie]

Sylvia over on FSU says his costume seems to be Rohene Ward's 2008 costume, so maybe it's just a placeholder for the real thing.

 

[Mrs. P]

Sylvia over on FSU says his costume seems to be Rohene Ward's 2008 costume, so maybe it's just a placeholder for the real thing.

Hi polenka84, can you comment on whether this is the case? Has he been practicing in this costume basically?

So my comment on this: This is going to be a hard program. Here's the rough layout I could see.

4T
3A-2T (or 3A single?)
---
3A or (or 3A-2T)
2A
3Z
3F-3T
3L
3Z-1L-3S

And then add the crazy choreography in between and it's no wonder that Jason was not at full-tilt here. As I said in the Glacier Falls thread, I don't expect him to master this for a while. This is a longtail program. It's going to be awesome, but he's got to be ALL-IN from the beginning. No taking out choreography (Rohene clearly won't let him), putting in the 4T everytime regardless of the points he may lose doing it 4T<<.

Jason cannot do what the other guys are doing, i.e. adding more quads, so this is what he has to do.

More comments later.

 

[cheerknithanson]

Hi polenka84, can you comment on whether this is the case? Has he been practicing in this costume basically?

So my comment on this: This is going to be a hard program. Here's the rough layout I could see.

4T
3A-2T (or 3A single?)
---
3A or (or 3A-2T)
2A
3Z
3F-3T
3L
3Z-1L-3S

And then add the crazy choreography in between and it's no wonder that Jason was not at full-tilt here. As I said in the Glacier Falls thread, I don't expect him to master this for a while. This is a longtail program. It's going to be awesome, but he's got to be ALL-IN from the beginning. No taking out choreography (Rohene clearly won't let him), putting in the 4T everytime regardless of the points he may lose doing it 4T<<.

Jason cannot do what the other guys are doing, i.e. adding more quads, so this is what he has to do.

More comments later.

And the good thing about now is that it didn't count at all for ISU points. And there's plenty of time to polish up on stuff.

We can't do anything but hope for the best.

 

[Plisskin]

Poor Jason always skating in these questionable costumes. If he keeps that for his LP, hopefully Kori steps in again and atleast snips off that bowtie on his waist.

 

[LRK]

Hi polenka84, can you comment on whether this is the case? Has he been practicing in this costume basically?

So my comment on this: This is going to be a hard program. Here's the rough layout I could see.

4T
3A-2T (or 3A single?)
---
3A or (or 3A-2T)
2A
3Z
3F-3T
3L
3Z-1L-3S

And then add the crazy choreography in between and it's no wonder that Jason was not at full-tilt here. As I said in the Glacier Falls thread, I don't expect him to master this for a while. This is a longtail program. It's going to be awesome, but he's got to be ALL-IN from the beginning. No taking out choreography (Rohene clearly won't let him), putting in the 4T everytime regardless of the points he may lose doing it 4T<<.

Jason cannot do what the other guys are doing, i.e. adding more quads, so this is what he has to do.

More comments later.

Of what I've seen, that is the only way :yes: - I've noted that the guys who will put in or take out the quad when they think they can "get away with it" never seem to gain consistency. It stands to reason. The only reason why anyone would take it out would be because they are unsure of it - and putting in an element that you are unsure of when a lot is riding on it, well... is not a recipe for success. (I'm not talking about when skaters are unwell, of course, or have to water down their programs because they are injured/coming back from injury.) If you are going to go for it - you need to go for it every time.

He'll get it - it may take some time, but he will get it. The quad is a very difficult beast to master.

 

[StitchMonkey]

For fun I decided to look at values.


4T = 10.3 [8.0(4.3)]
3A-2T =9.8
---
3A = 9.35
2A = 3.63
3Z = 6.6
3F-3T = 10.56
3L = 5.61
3Z-1L-3S = 11.44

So 67.29 with full quad credit 64.99 with one carrot 61.29 with two carrots/downgrade on quad. And that is jumps alone. Taking his base scores for other stuff from WTT (3.2+3.5+3.9+2+3.5=16.1) we get a theoretical base technical value of 83.39[81.09(77.39)]. His base at WTT was 75.98.

For comparison at worlds D10's base was 85.44, Javi was 86.73, and Hanyu was 81.42. So he actually could be rather competitive if he can get this down. It could really close the gap. A 3.5 gap is not insurmountable for Jason to make up for in GOE.

With luck he can get his 3A stable and get the quad stable my worlds. I think he will do fine and will have success with these programs.

 

[apgold]

I had to laugh - Rohene responded to some comments on TSL's FB page about Jason's LP. Some were critical, but most see the potential in the program.

Everyone relax....hahahaha...it is august 2!!!! He has had this for not even 2 full months!!!!! Why dont u let the kid have a process to his season versus criticizing him for trying to challenge himself and to be a better him. Although i know u will all always have an opinion...try to consider what the journey is. #changingthegame #pushingboundaries

 

[Mrs. P]

Good for Rohene for standing up to the critics. And it was in such a nice positive way too. Cool.

 

[Plisskin]

I can't believe people were expecting Jason, or anyone really at that competition, to look Worlds ready with only having learned their programs either last month or the month before.

 

[cheerknithanson]

I can't believe people were expecting Jason, or anyone really at that competition, to look Worlds ready with only having learned their programs either last month or the month before.

Exactly! Like when I did Recreation competition cheerleading, we start learning our routine in early December and compete in mid-January....which includes a few weeks off for winter break and mind you, we only practice 2-3 times a week and the day we learn our routine, we're there for at least 4 hours. It takes a while because it's a team of 20+ cheerleaders. And we're not the strongest. So our first competitions were always basically *blows raspberry and makes a thumbs down* but we always got "1st" cause we were the only Level 2 Senior Rec team competing usually. LOL. But then at the 2nd competition it's always got better.

 

[el henry]

I had to laugh - Rohene responded to some comments on TSL's FB page about Jason's LP. Some were critical, but most see the potential in the program.

Good for Rohene! And his typical very Rohene use of exclamation points! !!!!!

Now Rohene, my dear, get the sash thing sewn on (if that is indeed Jason's costume) and stay away from the sequins

 

[HanDomi]

For fun I decided to look at values.


4T = 10.3 [8.0(4.3)]
3A-2T =9.8
---
3A = 9.35
2A = 3.63
3Z = 6.6
3F-3T = 10.56
3L = 5.61
3Z-1L-3S = 11.44

So 67.29 with full quad credit 64.99 with one carrot 61.29 with two carrots/downgrade on quad. And that is jumps alone. Taking his base scores for other stuff from WTT (3.2+3.5+3.9+2+3.5=16.1) we get a theoretical base technical value of 83.39[81.09(77.39)]. His base at WTT was 75.98.

For comparison at worlds D10's base was 85.44, Javi was 86.73, and Hanyu was 81.42. So he actually could be rather competitive if he can get this down. It could really close the gap. A 3.5 gap is not insurmountable for Jason to make up for in GOE.

With luck he can get his 3A stable and get the quad stable my worlds. I think he will do fine and will have success with these programs.

You need to remember those BV at Worlds in scoresheets were with the guys mistakes.

On paper their BV for this season are going to be
Hanyu 95 Denis 86 Javier 86
Something like that

BV wise the closest one to him from top will be Chan I guess if he don't up his technical content. He had BV of something like 83-84 if I remember