Jason Brown

[Mrs. P]

You need to remember those BV at Worlds in scoresheets were with the guys mistakes.

On paper their BV for this season are going to be
Hanyu 95 Denis 86 Javier 86
Something like that

BV wise the closest one to him from top will be Chan I guess if he don't up his technical content. He had BV of something like 83-84 if I remember

Even with a clean/full value BV (i.e. no URs, edge calls, level issues), I still don't think the gap is insurmountable. I mean we're talking 3 points. between Jason and Denis/Javier with your numbers and the numbers Stitch shared.

But of course, that's assuming Jason can get full value for the quad, which is a very questionable proposition at this point. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out!

 

[WeakAnkles]

I had to laugh - Rohene responded to some comments on TSL's FB page about Jason's LP. Some were critical, but most see the potential in the program.

for Rohene. He's 117% right. Putting aside the technical considerations for a moment, this is unbelievably challenging in terms of interpretation--a completely new style of skating for the estimable Mr. Brown. It's going to add a whole new range of tools to his toolbox. I think the program is not only beautiful (Robin Cousins, you should be applauding this--it actually reminds me of you), but challenging in the best sense. Jason and Rohene are always about marinating a program--not microwaving it. Smart program at the right time. I'm so looking forward to seeing it cook slowly to perfection.

 

[StitchMonkey]

I cute article about team Koro how much Monument is growing as a figure skating hub.

http://tri-lakestribune.net/stories/Is-Monument-becoming-the-figure-skating-capital-of-Colorado,194489


Unfortunately there are a few errors, but they are cute errors.

 

[Mrs. P]

Bringing in the discussion some of you were having RE: Jason's possible Senior B's here:

I'm curious as to which Senior B(s) Jason might try for. There are 5 in the Challenger Series from mid-September to mid-October, but I'm guessing the last of those (Mordovian Ornament) is too close in time to SA. I also would be surprised if he went back to Nebelhorn this year because of the pressure of defending his title. That leaves SLC, Ondrej Nepela, and Finlandia. If he is hoping to medal at SA he might want to do 2 of the 3 (SLC & Finlandia?) to practice competing as much as possible. OTOH, maybe he'd be better off doing a few lower profile US club competitions.

I think he may want to go back to Nebelhorn precisely to find out what it feels like to defend a title. I don't think he will go to SLC as Max has made that his baby, but I could see them trading possibly.

I could also see him ending up at Skate Canada Autumn Classic. It is two weeks prior to Skate America, but it is in the same hemisphere. It would be a non-challenger senior B that is not that far away and would give him one last bit of a dress rehearsal for Skate America. I think we may see him do a non-challenger and a challenger one coming up.

Also Sam's post has the exact mark for the two 3As w/ new entrances.

Random thought:
How cool would an axel be out of a Charlotte spiral. Has that been done before?


Jason's first 3a

https://youtu.be/0jrhYMUR4DU?t=31s

Jason's second 3a

https://youtu.be/0jrhYMUR4DU?t=2m

I don't think it matters how difficult an entry is to get that extra GOE. A difficult entry is just that it qualifies as a difficult or unexpected entry if I'm not mistaken. Of course the quality of the jump will likely trump all else so getting it clean should be first and foremost.

Also, I came across reference to this book called "“What got you here won’t get you there.” It was reference in a piece by a guy name James Clear: "Doing the same thing over and over again, even if it worked for a long time, will eventually lead to a plateau. If nothing changes, nothing is going to change."

Though this applied to Jason quite nicely.

 

[polenka84]

Hi polenka84, can you comment on whether this is the case? Has he been practicing in this costume basically?

So my comment on this: This is going to be a hard program. Here's the rough layout I could see.

4T
3A-2T (or 3A single?)
---
3A or (or 3A-2T)
2A
3Z
3F-3T
3L
3Z-1L-3S

And then add the crazy choreography in between and it's no wonder that Jason was not at full-tilt here. As I said in the Glacier Falls thread, I don't expect him to master this for a while. This is a longtail program. It's going to be awesome, but he's got to be ALL-IN from the beginning. No taking out choreography (Rohene clearly won't let him), putting in the 4T everytime regardless of the points he may lose doing it 4T<<.

Jason cannot do what the other guys are doing, i.e. adding more quads, so this is what he has to do.

More comments later.

He has practiced in it once...they did have it altered...but I'm not sure if it's staying for good or if that was just to make it work for this competition. He does, I believe, have a new costumer this year so perhaps there are delays in that regard.

 

[polenka84]

I think often people forget that training jumps is different than training jumps in the context of a program. There's just something different about doing them and getting them solid in a program vs. training them in isolation...it takes a while to find that groove and get the timing and balance of doing jumps in between choreography! His jumps are still solid and consistent in isolation...so they will come in the program!

As far as the quad goes the primary issue is that he just needs a tad more height (there has been harnessed success)...so slowly but surely he'll get there and I feel Jason's (and everyone's!) time with Vincent is helping a ton. A jump like this isn't the type of thing that can be rushed--it will develop on its own schedule!

 

[noskates]

I'm glad to see some optimism where Jason's LP is concerned. When I first saw it I thought the music would put me to sleep and could NOT figure out what Rohene, et.al. were thinking. Jason is such a dynamic skater with danceability and interpretation. Now that I've seen the program a few times I can see where by Nationals it's going to be killer. There is no man out there right now who can do the footwork and moves in the field like Jason and this program is really growing on me. It's unique, very difficult, and designed to get high PCS. I know it's a matter of preference but I think Jason is a much better skater of basics than Hanyu. I think he, Javi and Patrick are all on the same level when it comes to flow on the ice, every move is finished, nothing is herky-jerky, and it's just beautiful skating. NOW - if he can only get that quad consistent......

 

[Mrs. P]

Hey all, I had a moment to update Jason's original post with the Glacier Falls video.

Also, for all the discussion disputing whether Jason's 3A entrance is difficult enough, it's worth going back to this very competition 4 years ago when he didn't really have a 3A in the first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXUIONGou0Q

(Also excuse to check out one of my favorite SPs from him ever).

 

[dorispulaski]

I always associate Glacier Falls with disasters because of Jason's programs there
but that is how I hope the program will be wonderful by nationals.

 

[karne]

If you haven't taken a moment to watch the Glacier Falls videos on IN, do so, especially the gorgeous freeskate (which comes with a bonus extra gorgeous free skate right before it). That program is sending me to my happy place even with the mistakes. It's stunning.

I still want the sash sewn down though. I approve of the Max-tight shirt and the slim-cut pants; they really work with his lines in this one.

I was also surprised at how much more I liked the SP from this angle (and how much more I went at the poorly-fitted waistcoat/shirt combination). Two super programs for him this season. I hope very much that I get to see them live.

 

[Tavi...]

I watched both programs on IN last night and really loved them. The close ups were really interesting - he looked nervous before the SP - or at least, his smile seemed a bit fixed - very different than the FS, where he seemed quite relaxed. I loved watching the concentration in his face during the FS. I agree the costume in the FS is very flattering, and love the colors in the sleeve but did notice he was playing with the piece over his chest.

In these videos, his flow looked quite good in the FS, and he didn't seem slow, which a lot of people commented on with the TSL clips. Re the speed difference - was his actual speed less noticeable because the camera was following him more closely?

 

[karne]

In these videos, his flow looked quite good in the FS, and he didn't seem slow, which a lot of people commented on with the TSL clips. Re the speed difference - was his actual speed less noticeable because the camera was following him more closely?

I had the same thought, that he looked faster in these clips than the TSL ones. It could be the tighter shot that's making him look faster, or perhaps the wider, more angled shots before made him look slower.

 

[Tavi...]

I had the same thought, that he looked faster in these clips than the TSL ones. It could be the tighter shot that's making him look faster, or perhaps the wider, more angled shots before made him look slower.

Maybe if Polenka84 was there she will comment on his speed? Because his speed at WTT and Worlds seemed pretty good. Then again, with the complex choreo in both new programs it wouldn't be surprising if he needed to get them into his bones first and then work on speed.

I am also surprised to say that I'm even okay with the FS music now. I'm looking forward to seeing both programs at SA and hope you get to see them at Worlds, too - so exciting that you're going!

 

[aromaticchicken]

Maybe if Polenka84 was there she will comment on his speed? Because his speed at WTT and Worlds seemed pretty good. Then again, with the complex choreo in both new programs it wouldn't be surprising if he needed to get them into his bones first and then work on speed.

I am also surprised to say that I'm even okay with the FS music now. I'm looking forward to seeing both programs at SA and hope you get to see them at Worlds, too - so exciting that you're going!

I was there in person and Jason's speed on both the SP and FS seemed a little slower than normal for him... And by that I mean I was also at Greensboro and he skated faster for both programs but only slightly. In general he just tends not to skate as super fast as the other men,but he's not *slowwww* either or anything.

That's also in part because you never will see Jason do only crossovers and fly across the ice, he does little moves that are much harder. Also, he's still stalking a lot his quad and axel. The spirals also can only go so fast.

That because said, it is a gorgeous program. But it really does not work with mistakes at all, since it's supposed to be pure.

 

[Tavi...]

I was there in person and Jason's speed on both the SP and FS seemed a little slower than normal for him... And by that I mean I was also at Greensboro and he skated faster for both programs but only slightly. In general he just tends not to skate as super fast as the other men,but he's not *slowwww* either or anything.

That's also in part because you never will see Jason do only crossovers and fly across the ice, he does little moves that are much harder. Also, he's still stalking a lot his quad and axel. The spirals also can only go so fast.

That because said, it is a gorgeous program. But it really does not work with mistakes at all, since it's supposed to be pure.

Thanks for the input! To me it seems like his entry into the FS quad, while still too slow, was less hesitant than it was in the SP. He also seemed to take off with a bit more power. But it's clearly still a work in process. As to the 3A's, I really hope they are able to keep that long beautiful spiral entry into the first one - hopefully he can just make a quicker mental (and therefore physical) transition from ending the spiral to taking off on the jump. I don't really think he stalks the second 3A but I do think his entry here was a bit slow. I'm guessing a lot of the slowness / hesitation is simply because the program is so new.

 

[cheerknithanson]

To be honest, maybe it's best if he does the quad only in the FP and keep the short with just triples.

 

[Mrs. P]

This seems to be an "all-in" season for Jason. I think he's going to put the quad in every program this season, both short and long. This season is very reminiscent of the 2012-2013 season when he put in the 3A. From his second JGP on, he basically put the 3A in every program with a wide variety of results. There was a ton of short-term losses -- he missed out on the JGPF podium, had several falls at Nationals, etc. But then all of a sudden by Jr. Worlds he pulled a 3A in the short and two in the free skate.

I think their eyes are on Nationals in January to defend his title and at Worlds in March to get on that podium. Their quad-less strategy has gotten him as far as he can -- Olympics berth, Naitonal title, 4th at Worlds, a few GP medals. I think they know they have to put that quad in all the time to get to the next level.

 

[aromaticchicken]

To be honest, maybe it's best if he does the quad only in the FP and keep the short with just triples.

I would not be surprised if that's how he shows up at skate America. I think they're just trying to get him used to attempting it in competition as much as possible, especially in events that really don't matter yet

 

[Tavi...]

This seems to be an "all-in" season for Jason. I think he's going to put the quad in every program this season, both short and long. This season is very reminiscent of the 2012-2013 season when he put in the 3A. From his second JGP on, he basically put the 3A in every program with a wide variety of results. There was a ton of short-term losses -- he missed out on the JGPF podium, had several falls at Nationals, etc. But then all of a sudden by Jr. Worlds he pulled a 3A in the short and two in the free skate.

I think their eyes are on Nationals in January to defend his title and at Worlds in March to get on that podium. Their quad-less strategy has gotten him as far as he can -- Olympics berth, Naitonal title, 4th at Worlds, a few GP medals. I think they know they have to put that quad in all the time to get to the next level.

Mrs P, I agree with you. He's really gone as far as he can without a quad.

I will be curious to see if Jason's 3A experience makes the process of integrating the quad a bit faster. Also hope his new determination to master the quad - noted by Kori in her TSL interview as something unprecedented - will have a positive impact.

Kori commented to TSL that Jason wasn't ready to land the 3A until he believed it was landable. So I wonder what he thinks about landing the quad.

 

[xibsuarz]

I only had the chance to watch Jason's FS from Glacier Falls just now. When I saw the very first video TSL posted, I was a bit unsure as to how Jason would adapt to this music, since it's different from the dynamic skating he excels at (though I had faith in him). But now that I've seen him perform this delicate program like this (even w/ the falls) I'm more at ease (those spirals are gorgeous). Good for him for going for so many challenges this season: the music and the quad. But I agree that he needs to perform it as best as he can since the music doesn't really provide much cover and the mistakes are (at least for me) more noticeable with it. The quad, well, it's still a work in progress and there's really no better way to master it than going out there and do it in competition, and these small events are the perfect opportunity.