Jason Brown

[skylark]

Realistically, they probably thought very carefully before letting Coach Vincent post that clip.

Excellent point. I've been reading the last 50 pages or so of this thread. Someone back in early summer, sorry I can't quote the right person -- said they thought it might be similar to Jason getting the 3A. This year, he might land it on and off while he incorporates the quad into the rest of his programs; next year it'll be more consistent; then for Olympic year 2017-18 it will be fabulous with maybe 2 in the long program. I think that's a wise expectation and even sounds a bit like Kori thinks. Listening to the full 2 hours of her TSL interview was fascinating.

OTOH, it may come easier for him to incorporate the quads than the axel. It's so exciting to anticipate!!!! And just think: some of the international judges may be anticipating the journey as well.

 

[LRK]

I will do my best to keep you posted! But I'm at work so....

Re the jump - thanks to you and psusanne for your thoughts. Honestly Karne is such a stickler when it comes to stuff like this that I'm pretty sure she would have said something like - great progress but sadly it's still UR - instead of what she did say.

Of course what really counts is how it looks on Thursday & Saturday - so exciting! I'm glad they're leaving today just to make sure there are no problems getting into Slovakia, that they're all well-rested, etc.

She compared it to the King, didn't she? (in a "well, that says it all/what more could one want"-tone)

And yes - go Jason! On Thursday! (wow, that early? I'd thought the weekend, but I hadn't realised... )

Quad! Quad! Quad! (what?! - it makes for a nice chant, okay?)

Anyway, I'm actually very hopeful - but I also do realise that doing one solitary quad in practice, and one integrated into a program during the stress of competition, is completely different, so even if I do have my hopes up, I also won't be terribly disappointed if it isn't pristine clean; if not this time, then the next, if not then, then the next. He'll get it - I have zero doubts.

 

[skylark]

Point being....watching so many of his jumps in slow motion and seeing and studying his air rotation I was kind of surprised he wasn't landing one yet. To me he had very nice air position and plenty of height.

That is a really interesting observation. Air position and height are mentioned in commentary as important technique issues. But they also make the jumps much more beautiful. Low jumps are disappointing.

I think it was in Kori's TSL interview that she said the final step in Jason's landing the 3A was when he finally believed it was landable. So from your comment, it sounds like he and Kori get all the technique ... and beauty!!! in place, which gives Jason the confidence to believe in the landing.

 

[skylark]

Thanks for that little get-to-know story, Jason really is a great young man besides a great young skater

He really is. And that came across, even when I didn't know who he was. I only knew his name, that he was 18 years old and didn't plan a quad.

He looked so comfortable with himself, compared with some of the other skaters, even in the practice sessions, that I only figured out he was the new-to-me teen-ager by the process of elimination. And then I fell in love. As did a bunch of others in the arena.

He wasn't trying to impress anyone with his expressiveness. He just loves moving to music!

 

[dorispulaski]

gushing is more fun.

Fingers crossed for Jason this week.

 

[StitchMonkey]

So since we have moved passed elation and into micro analysis... here is my contribution.

First off. Many (if no most, if not all) youtube videos can have the speed adjusted. Click on the ship wheel thingy in the lower left corner, it brings up a menu that has speed as an option... click it and you have options. Here is a screen grab with a red arrow pointing to what to click on.
http://i.imgur.com/9Iep4NY.png

Also here is a youtube version of the quad attempt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgVSAyBj5RY I have watched it in slow motion many times... and here is what I seem to have noticed.

As for how the attempt is. First the landing.

http://i.imgur.com/ttxxfxF.png

Two screen shots taken a fraction of a second apart showing about where he lands. The pic on the left I think it slightly before he touches down, and the one on the right is just after he gets his weight on the blade. Both seem to me to be passed the point of under rotation. The one of the left is a bit closer, but still in the clear to me. The one of the right looks pretty clearly backwards to me. So the issue is more when he touches down and when others think he did. I don't think it was much sooner than this - so I think the landing is good.

As for takeoff. Some people might lob out the accusation of "pre-rotation". I have not scrutinized other skaters to know how much is normal and how much is pushing the limits of acceptable. He does have some rotation after his toe pick hits and before he is fully off the ice, but I think it is within the norm. He does however hit a very adorable "Jazz Hands" position (screen shot here
http://i.imgur.com/yiMQ3ha.png) on his way up after he plants his toe pic. I think because it is somewhat noticeable (and cute) some people might see more pre-rotation than there actually is. Jordan's is about the same but without the jazz hands. If anyone on here wants to weigh in on the pre-rotation id be thrilled to read about the opinions from those more knowledgeable to me. If not, I am going to keep thinking it is a good fully rotated quad and jazz hands were the secret.

 

[Tavi...]

This morning I asked a coach at the rink about judging rotation and she said that pre rotation is not an issue with quads, that UR would be judged based on the landing position. FWIW she seemed quite emphatic about it. She strikes me as a good coach but as far as I know none of her skaters are training quads, so not sure if her opinion is well grounded in fact.

 

[TMC]

Ahhhhh thank you Stitch! Those jazz hands are freaking adorable

 

[sabinfire]

As for how the attempt is. First the landing.
http://i.imgur.com/ttxxfxF.png

Two screen shots taken a fraction of a second apart showing about where he lands. The pic on the left I think it slightly before he touches down, and the one on the right is just after he gets his weight on the blade. Both seem to me to be passed the point of under rotation.

I think the one on the left appears under-rotated, if that's determined to be the landing. The one on the right should be okay, even if a little close.

As mentioned, the video quality isn't good enough to see clearly. Unless they were really scrutinizing this one, I think it would pass... though an HD video from competition may show something different?

Animated GIF zoomed in & slow-mo:

http://makeagif.com/0TM9p3

 

[StitchMonkey]

Ahhhhh thank you Stitch! Those jazz hands are freaking adorable

Fair warning, you may never unseen it now.

This morning I asked a coach at the rink about judging rotation and she said that pre rotation is not an issue with quads, that UR would be judged based on the landing position. FWIW she seemed quite emphatic about it. She strikes me as a good coach but as far as I know none of her skaters are training quads, so not sure if her opinion is well grounded in fact.

And that was pretty much my understanding of it as well, but I don't know how much of that is spelled out on paper and how much of that is a "nobody cares" thing. I would think that there would be a point where pre-rotation could start getting cracked down on, but i don't think this would be a test case. Still, it might not be unfair to say he pre-rotates as much as anyone else.

I think the one on the left appears under-rotated, if that's determined to be the landing. The one on the right should be okay, even if a little close.

As mentioned, the video quality isn't good enough to see clearly. Unless they were really scrutinizing this one, I think it would pass... though an HD video from competition may show something different?

Animated GIF zoomed in & slow-mo:

http://makeagif.com/0TM9p3

The thing is, I think his first quads will get flagged for review no matter how good they are just as a matter of course. For instance, if you were listening to skate radio during nationals, you saw that they flagged Alexa and Chris's quad twist for review even though it was pretty clearly clean... but as it was a first, they wanted to be damn sure it was clear. I do think his quads will be reviewed at least at first.... and sadly I think it is human nature that if you keep looking at something you will find something wrong with it.

So the question becomes when did he hit the ice, and when was his weight on the ice, much like you said and it is hard to see in this... I suspect we will have much footage soon to really analyze. If nothing else I think most of us can agree it is past downgrade and into UR instead, which for Jason actually is still progress. A one footed UR quad that is not a fall and does not disrupted the program would still be a damn good thing.

 

[Tavi...]

I think the one on the left appears under-rotated, if that's determined to be the landing. The one on the right should be okay, even if a little close.

As mentioned, the video quality isn't good enough to see clearly. Unless they were really scrutinizing this one, I think it would pass... though an HD video from competition may show something different?

Animated GIF zoomed in & slow-mo:

http://makeagif.com/0TM9p3

Thank you sabinfire!

A quick question. At what point do you judge the take off - what are you judging the landing against?

ETA Takahiko Mura is off the roster:

http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat00028386.htm

 

[solani]

This morning I asked a coach at the rink about judging rotation and she said that pre rotation is not an issue with quads, that UR would be judged based on the landing position. FWIW she seemed quite emphatic about it. She strikes me as a good coach but as far as I know none of her skaters are training quads, so not sure if her opinion is well grounded in fact.

The tech panel isn't allowed to watch the take-off in slow-motion, so I guess the coach is right. Even if the skater takes off forward it's not possible to see that in real-time when the skater does a quad.

 

[StitchMonkey]

The tech panel isn't allowed to watch the take-off in slow-motion, so I guess the coach is right. Even if the skater takes off forward it's not possible to see that in real-time when the skater does a quad.

Well that certainly gives us some clarity!

 

[TMC]

At the main screen,which should look like a camera screen go to the bottom right icon (three lines) then swipe left.
There is a searchbox put in "usfigureskating" and then add.

When there is an update on that page, you will see a circle on the right of the usfigureskating name is listed. Tap on it. Jason just posted a story. But it will only last for a certain period of time.

When you go back to the main screen, look for the three lines to change into a colored box with a number. That means there is an update. Again to see the update, swipe left to get the friends screen and then click on the circle next to usfigureskating's name.

Jason just posted about 30 minutes ago. Basically each update with be a short compilation of videos and photos. Some of them will be annotated with text and drawings. It's a little story.

Thank you so much again - managed to get it working on my ipad. Had to come here to look at your instructions three times though #OldLady

 

[Tavi...]

Well that certainly gives us some clarity!

You know if I were to look at this really simplistically, like a dummy, I would say: his landing looks to be pretty much on the same arc as his takeoff. Ergo, I conclude, like a dummy, that the jump is fully rotated, or close to it.

 

[StitchMonkey]

Thank you so much again - managed to get it working on my ipad. Had to come here to look at your instructions three times though #OldLady

Im with you. I think i managed to get it working... only to confirm i hate it. Why do they have to make it so bloody weird and difficult i don't know. Had Mrs. P not said he had posted something i would never have found it. Why stuff does not come up when you click on the accounts name...i just don't get. It seems much more interested in getting you to take a picture of yourself then letting you view content - which i guess is the goal. Right now i just hoping i have not accidentally sent very unattractive pics of myself sitting naked on the couch looking confused to the world of snapchat. I am seriously considering putting electric tape over my phone's cameras before looking at snap chat again. I sure as heck would never handle that app when drunk!

Jason is cute though... i just wish it was shared in almost any other format.

 

[Mrs. P]

Snapchat is sort of like texting on steroids. Basically the whole concept is snackable content that expires. So unlike Twitter or Instagram where you can look back on past posts, basically you have one shot at looking at content. So basically the post that Jason had this morning will disappear after 24 hours or when he puts a new post.

I can see how it's difficult if you're used to accessing content a certain way -- it was for me. But for a 16-year-old, it's pretty intuitive based on how they text and communicate. They don't want long-winded conversations. They just want to say: Hi, what up, nm, ok, wh8ver, here's a photo.

 

[StitchMonkey]

Snapchat is sort of like texting on steroids. Basically the whole concept is snackable content that expires. So unlike Twitter or Instagram where you can look back on past posts, basically you have one shot at looking at content. So basically the post that Jason had this morning will disappear after 24 hours or when he puts a new post.

I can see how it's difficult if you're used to accessing content a certain way -- it was for me. But for a 16-year-old, it's pretty intuitive based on how they text and communicate. They don't want long-winded conversations. They just want to say: Hi, what up, nm, ok, wh8ver, here's a photo.

See, i was not like that as a teenager. Even than (as it is now) I am the type that will glance at stuff when i first see it, then want to look it over and digest it later when i am in the right frame of mind. Sorta i check for headlines first then read for content later. I can't fathom why people would want this temporary set up.... why bother sending anything at all if it is just going to be deleted? (Well, last i heard snapchat was started for the purpose of sending naked pics with a false sense of security...but anyway) You can say hi and here is a photo just fine in other methods... honestly it makes me scratch my head that teens can't seem to just figure that out on their own and need a weird app like this. I think i am too much of a control freak to enjoy this set up. As a teen i would have hated it more... how are you supposed micro-analyze things that get deleted so soon?

And why when i select USfigure skating does his crap not show up??? If that just would be changed I think i could tolerate this thing... but when you go to your friends list, click on your friend, and there is no sign of anything there... that is just stupid. Why even have a friends list if you can't access their content from there?

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

I'm getting a kick out of this snapchat conversation. (laughing with you all of course )

Jason Brown is bridging gaps between generations that maybe need not be bridged Best part is I'm somewhere where Dubstep and Trap music is being played which totally symbolizes the current state of technology infused youth.

 

[StitchMonkey]

I'm getting a kick out of this snapchat conversation. (laughing with you all of course )

Jason Brown is bridging gaps between generations that maybe need not be bridged Best part is I'm somewhere where Dubstep and Trap music is being played which totally symbolizes the current state of technology infused youth.

Meh, i have been wondering about snapchat for awhile.

twitter i can understand why it exists, in fact I kinda like some aspects of it, following hastags for a given event for instance is nice.

Instagram i can sorta get....but dont see much use for it other than pic for twitter and longer text space. Still i can handle the simplified integrated album.

Snapchat... i just don't get the temporary nature of it - why would you want that?. I mean do people really think it is that temporary? I don't even use snapchat and know there are workarounds to store stuff... does anyone really even think it is temporary anymore? I would assume 99% of people using it would have downloaded a third party app to preserve and keep the stuff anyway so the false sense of it being temporary seems gone at this point. It just feels like a more inconvenient messaging system that you need another app for archiving. Honestly if my phone was not so full of cat pics i like would even for this one event.

So i finally broke down and tried it. I am glad i broke down and poked around in all three, but only Snapchat has left me with a more negative impression than i started with after using it. So far i don't see any advantages to sending out the stuff Jason has over Snapchat vs Instagram.... i do see disadvantage.

And why do the videos not have sound till i adjust the volume? It starts on mute till i try to change it... and sometimes that ends up working like skip to next scene...ok fine, i have developed a lawn and am yelling at kids to get off of it, i admit it.