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Jason, yeah, Lombardia will tell us something, but what? I'm a little confused by what he's said in various interviews - on the one hand he will put one quad in each program in Lombardia. On the other hand, last year was push push push but this year - no, he's going to be himself, his timeline is 18 months - the Olympics. But we hear he's landed two different quads in practice at Champs Camp. So not quite sure what to make of him at this point.

I have been thinking on this too, and well I think the best explanation is that he had a "I had some growing up to do" moment much like Josh did after NHK. While for Josh it was training more and harder, for Jason it may have been training smarter.

Jason is a hard working bundle of energy. Up until last year he could just take a "keep working hard at it, it will come in time" approach and it was no big deal. Last season their were reports of him being at the rink 12 plush hours a day... i can't have been the only one to say "is that a good idea?" and it probably was not. As long as the skater does not mind skating that much and is healthy... it is fine to do that. But now after injury, Jason does not have that option anymore. He can't just do it all through hard work, he has to work smarter.

And working smarter is always a good thing, and often what is needed to solve many of life's challenges. It is pretty clear his issues with the quad (and jumps) is more mental than physical. Kori and he have both alluded to that, and it is evident by his technique and his physique that that is not likely where the problem lies. Now he is limited in how much he can skate/train/try so he has to think more about what is working and what is not... he has to make ever attempt count much more now than before. And humans are surprisingly good at rising to the occasion. I have heard a joke that the best way to get a behind schedule project done on time is to hire half the staff. The idea being that the people left cut the BS, think what has to be done and pulls together and does what it takes. We may just be seeing Jason manifesting this phenomenon. Once his resources were cut, he found a way to do what he needed to do.

Also - i think some coaches advocated limited time. Pretty sure that Jenny Kirk mentioned that in her time with Franky they had very limited run through chances, which she seemed to think helped as it made each attempt count. You don't get to this level without being competitive, so if you only have a few chances to get it done, this type of person gets it done. Also both she and Mirai have talked about him throwing them off the ice of bad behavior...so clearly he thinks lack of training is a consequence. It clearly works for some, so maybe it is working for Jason. In fact maybe that was part of why he was training with Frank. To get more used to the limited training/attempts approach.

So him landing quads actually does not surprise me. His triples up to 3A came back very well, it sounds like he did have a 4T at least in practice last year so it being stable is not shocking to me, just normal recovery. The 4S has been in the works for a long time... again not surprised it is at least looking ok. I really think he had his epiphany moment much like Josh.

As for his long term comments. Well he is always far less sure of his abilities than Kori - reality is likely about a 70-30 split between the two. And I don't think that making the 2018 Olympics is the goal...I think medaling in the individual event has always been the goal. So even a 4T and a 4S may not be where he wants to be... especially in a year and a half. I suspect he wants to be more of a 2 quad short 3 maybe even 4 quad free by the Olympics. So it is very possible that he is landing them both, but still have a way to go.
 
Is it only me who, at the same time I so wish him to do well and medal in major events (and of course in the Olympics), and there is absolutely no other way around to attain that in reality, a tiny part of me does NOT want him to become one of those quad monsters who just keep throwing in one quad after another??? :scratch3:
I am not saying that is likely to happen and I should trust he wouldn't change his essence which makes him special even if that happens, but somehow I can't connect his signature beautiful skating to a quad-fest... as I said, that's my totally personal point of view...
 
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Is it only me who, at the same time I so wish him to do well and medal in major events (and of course in the Olympics), and there is absolutely no other way around to attain that in reality, a tiny part of me does NOT want him to become one of those quad monsters who just keep throwing in one quad after another??? :scratch3:
I am not saying that is likely to happen and I should trust he wouldn't change his essence which makes him special even if that happens, but somehow I can't connect his signature beautiful skating to a quad-fest... as I said, that's my totally personal point of view...

No, it's not just you who doesn't want to see Jason lose everything else as he adds the quad. Just ask @el henry! Seriously, though, I think that's unlikely to happen - remember Kori's TSL interview where she talks about Jason's ability to execute intricate programs as part of what makes him special? I don't think either of them have ever been about jumping - or winning - at all costs. Besides, Rohene will never give him a boring "jump-jump-jump" program, no matter how many quads it includes.

That said, last year we did see Jason's programs fall apart when he added the quad, and it was pretty hard to watch. I personally think they made a mistake by giving him two really hard new programs and adding in the unmastered quad at the same time. In fact, they pretty much broke Kori's cardinal training rule - in order to preserve the integrity of the programs, you have to skate a clean program before you can add a new element. Perhaps that's one of things Jason had to learn - that pressuring himself to add the quad on an artificial schedule in order to be"competitive" didn't work.

Their approach this year seems very different. Jason already has both programs under his belt. They were both clean at his summer competition, down to his triple axels. So now - assuming he's regularly landing rotated quads in practice (hopefully during run throughs of his program) - seems like the right time to add a single quad to each program. And when that's mastered, a quad combo. And then a second quad. I'm sure their goal is to get as far down that road as possible this year, so that when he learns his new programs for the Olympic year they will be solid enough to incorporate as "normal" elements in his programs - but hopefully that will be dictated by his body, not internal pressure.

Lastly, I think it will be really interesting to see how all of the guys - not just Jason - are scored this year. There was a lot of inflated PCS last season. Going forward, Jason will no longer be in the honeymoon phase ("welcome back, we missed you so much") so his PCS and GOE may well drop back to earth. The question then becomes whether other skaters who perhaps got higher PCS than deserved because of their quads will retain that bonus PCS. And of course, just as Jason knows he needs to improve his TES, all of those skaters with high TES whose presentation needs work will be - are - working to improve their presentation. So it should be interesting to see the season as it unfolds! I'm particularly intrigued to see Max's new Lion King program (although he never really benefited from inflated PCS), the fruits of Boyang Jin's collaboration with Lori Nichol, and Nathan's return to his balletic roots with Le corsaire. Then of course there are already plenty of other skaters with good presentation skills - ranging from Patrick Chan and Miguel Kolyada to US competitors like Adam, Tim, and Grant - who will surely also be working like mad to upgrade their TES.

One week til it all begins!
 
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All great points @Tavi... somehow I am feeling rather like a mother sending her son to a warzone... :eeking:
 
Oh I know!!!! I hope I will get that opportunity soon enough!
 
All great points @Tavi... somehow I am feeling rather like a mother sending her son to a warzone... :eeking:

I think I described myself as Nervous Nellie a few posts back, when it comes to Jason. I don't think I realized how much I missed him until I saw him at TCC. I have other favorites I enjoy too, but Jason is so unique. And staying injury free for this season is my biggest hope for him. Of course good placements are wonderful too! :luv17:
 
I think I described myself as Nervous Nellie a few posts back, when it comes to Jason. I don't think I realized how much I missed him until I saw him at TCC. I have other favorites I enjoy too, but Jason is so unique. And staying injury free for this season is my biggest hope for him. Of course good placements are wonderful too! :luv17:

He is special. On one hand I kinda enjoyed Nationals and Worlds without the stress of a favorite. But on the other hand, like you said when TCC came around... yes Jason is just special.
 
He is special. On one hand I kinda enjoyed Nationals and Worlds without the stress of a favorite. But on the other hand, like you said when TCC came around... yes Jason is just special.

I keep telling myself I just need to trust his training, his coach, him, and the fact that he learned lessons from being injured. I will definitely be nervous at Skate America!
 
No, it's not just you who doesn't want to see Jason lose everything else as he adds the quad. Just ask @el henry!

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Heh heh heh; darned tooting! :laugh: And I think that's why we're all here, as had been said so many times: we love what makes Jason special and let's face it, jumps aren't what makes him special.

But for all my talk about I don't care about medals, yadee yadee, I truly would like to see him incorporate a quad into a program with that Jason flair. Why? Because I am protective of Jason and I want to say:

Eat it, haterz!!!:devil:

Glad I got that out of my system .... ;)
 
Heh heh heh; darned tooting! :laugh: And I think that's why we're all here, as had been said so many times: we love what makes Jason special and let's face it, jumps aren't what makes him special.

But for all my talk about I don't care about medals, yadee yadee, I truly would like to see him incorporate a quad into a program with that Jason flair. Why? Because I am protective of Jason and I want to say:

Eat it, haterz!!!:devil:

Glad I got that out of my system .... ;)

I highly doubt you are the only one that wants to see some words eaten.
 
Is it only me who, at the same time I so wish him to do well and medal in major events (and of course in the Olympics), and there is absolutely no other way around to attain that in reality, a tiny part of me does NOT want him to become one of those quad monsters who just keep throwing in one quad after another??? :scratch3:

*starts bristling angrily* Excuse you? "quad monsters"?

I'm sure Jason would never refer to his dear friend Max in such a disrespectful way.
 
Eat it, haterz!!!:devil:
I am eagerly joining in the chorus :peace::dance3::hap85:

btw @karne, quite frankly I was not particularly thinking of Max Aaron, I had a couple of other skaters in my mind but just for the sake of correctness I'd better not name any names here :biggrin:
 
We finally heard something from Jason

[url]https://twitter.com/jasonbskates/status/773257723798519809

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So looks like he is flying in tonight... I guess he will get there early am Italy time? And go straight to practice most likely.

I am just glad to see he is on his way... not gonna lie was worried about a last minute injury issue... but he is off!

Ohh please Jason, I know it is selfish, but please land a quad... we want to gloat. Plus we want to be able to say "Jason got a quad a almost 22... so can [INSERT SKATER BEING PICKED ON HERE]" I am tired of how quickly people write not just Jason but all the guys off so early. Not only do i want to see Jason succeed... but I foolishly hope that if Jason can prove everyone wrong... they will not be as quick to say never in the future. Jason finally getting the quad could be good for the sport and could actually save some skaters some injuries. I want coaches and officials to feel like they can say "you still have time"
 
We finally heard something from Jason

[url]https://twitter.com/jasonbskates/status/773257723798519809

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So looks like he is flying in tonight... I guess he will get there early am Italy time? And go straight to practice most likely.

I am just glad to see he is on his way... not gonna lie was worried about a last minute injury issue... but he is off!

Ohh please Jason, I know it is selfish, but please land a quad... we want to gloat. Plus we want to be able to say "Jason got a quad a almost 22... so can [INSERT SKATER BEING PICKED ON HERE]" I am tired of how quickly people write not just Jason but all the guys off so early. Not only do i want to see Jason succeed... but I foolishly hope that if Jason can prove everyone wrong... they will not be as quick to say never in the future. Jason finally getting the quad could be good for the sport and could actually save some skaters some injuries. I want coaches and officials to feel like they can say "you still have time"

Well said! After all, there is something to be said for musicality, step sequences, excellent skating skills, beautiful choreography etc...Oh that Twitter video is amazing. The places these two have gone together! And now for the next chapter in the adventure. I'm nervous! :drama:
 
Hi all, first time poster. I thought this would be a good time to step in, before things got hot and heavy with the comp. I was a huge skating fan many years ago, took a long break, and then was drawn back in by Jason's skating. I just love watching him skate. I love his style and I love Rohene's choreography on him. There's still a lot I have to learn about today's skating world. I'm still learning the players and have been lurking on the board for several months trying to figure out who's who with the skaters and coaches. Very excited about Lombardia! :)
 
Hi all, first time poster. I thought this would be a good time to step in, before things got hot and heavy with the comp. I was a huge skating fan many years ago, took a long break, and then was drawn back in by Jason's skating. I just love watching him skate. I love his style and I love Rohene's choreography on him. There's still a lot I have to learn about today's skating world. I'm still learning the players and have been lurking on the board for several months trying to figure out who's who with the skaters and coaches. Very excited about Lombardia! :)

Welcome! :dance:

Like you, I watched skating for many years and then took a long break post SLC 2002. It was Jason's Riverdance & Question of U programs that drew me back in. I've since discovered other skaters I like watching but Jason remains my favorite. I love Rohene's choreography for Jason too. I'm so looking forward to seeing him back on the ice this week!

Go Jason (and Grant and Max)! :cheer:
 
Hi all, first time poster. I thought this would be a good time to step in, before things got hot and heavy with the comp. I was a huge skating fan many years ago, took a long break, and then was drawn back in by Jason's skating. I just love watching him skate. I love his style and I love Rohene's choreography on him. There's still a lot I have to learn about today's skating world. I'm still learning the players and have been lurking on the board for several months trying to figure out who's who with the skaters and coaches. Very excited about Lombardia! :)

Hi Rosa74 -

Welcome, and post long and often! Like you, many of us on this thread were drawn into skating as first-timers (me!) or former fans (el Henry and many others!) because of Jason's beautiful skating and Rohene's wonderful choreo. We're happy to have you join us!

Have you seen the links in the Lombardia thread for the live stream? Depending on where you're located you may have an early chance to experience Jason fandom, and I mean that literally: for me (Chicago area) the men's SP starts at 7:45 on Friday am and 5:00 am on Sunday. Of course we don't know what time he's skating yet, but stay tuned to this thread (and the Lombardia one) for more into. If you've been lurking here, I'm sure you know by now that we're all wondering if we'll see a fully rotated, beautifully landed quad or quads from Jason this time out. Me, I wish I were in Bergamo watching Jason live, Amarone in hand...but a coffee and a live stream will do!
 
Late for me. 10:40pm on Friday for the men's short and 8pm on Sunday for the men's free - that's okay, that's a good time, it means I will be in a nice comfy state for the Piano and The Lion King!
 
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