Jason Brown
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And, you know, all commercials are always true!
It's not about the commercial being true or false -true really- but migt br of Interest to people who think expectations might be getting too high -which they aren't -and like to say he has no chance and be lucky to be top 10 -which is too low.
Oh geez, what is your obsession with where Jason places? Does it matter?
The only person Jason should be concerned about regarding his placement is himself (and Kori). And Jason has maintained the same message: His goal is two skate two clean programs and let everything fall where they mean. He can't control what other people expect of him; he can only manage his own feelings.
Arsenio Hall told Jason to "bring home that medal." as an Olympic memento for him. Do you think Arsenio is going to disown Jason if he doesn't do that? Of course not. Things like "going for the gold." is pure hyperbole. I mean for heaven's sake, his video went viral despite the fact that he didn't even win the competition.
I think he's a super dark horse and it would take major mistakes from the top guys for him to get there. Based on his scoring this season and his competition, I would say best case scenario is that he sneaks into the final group for the FS.
I would say it's nearly impossible that he will beat:
Patrick Chan
Yuzuru Hanyu
He's unlikely to beat (but could if they make mistakes):
Daisuke Takahashi
Javier Fernandez
Tatsuki Machida
He could beat:
Jeremy Abbott
Denis Ten
Tomas Verner
Kevin Reynolds
Peter Liebers
He's already beaten the following:
Michael Brezina
Han Yan
Florent Amodio
Alexander Majorov
I have no **** clue if he can beat:
Evgeni Plushenko
You are my role model as a skating fan. Very informative, no fanatic views, realistic and has always been supportive. I think you are a vital reason why he is going viral. lol. Hope he will enjoy the experiences and do his best.
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Tonight Jason appeared on "OMG The Insider" (or whatever the heck that show is called).
Will he also be on ET tonight? It already has started, and I have not seen any teases for Jason ....
Yeah, I knew he did something for The Insider... so wondering where Entertainment Tonight thing came from. Not to say he couldn't be on both shows...
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Tonight The Insider showed a piece with some behind-the-scenes stuff from the Arsenio appearance: Arsenio + Jason + Jason's mother.
Also a few seconds of The Insider reporter on the ice with Jason, but only as a tease/promo for a different piece that is "coming up" ... but no word on when. (I think the upcoming piece is what the reporter had tweeted about last week -- shooting a piece in Colorado Springs with Jason?)
The Insider also showed a separate tease/promo of a few seconds of Wagner training, and the anchor said that coverage of the U.S. ladies skaters would be coming up as part of their Olympic week or something like that.
Mrs. P is everyone's role model as a skating fan. :yes:
Aw, thanks, those are kind words, both of you.
I think like any relationship: be it one with your spouse or the "relationship" you have as a fan of any person; being too idealistic about someone can often lead to a crash-and-burn experience later.
I love seeing people grow and evolve. I think I appreciate more that he had such great 3As this season when I saw him struggle and two-foot them in the JGP more than a year ago. Or that he had the performance of a lifetime after making errors in his FS in the previous two nationals.
So I take Jason's experience at Nationals for what it is: A super exciting and thrilling moment I was proud to witness in person and a MAJOR boost of confidence for him. But it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know there was a bit of a disconnect when he got a score that has only been earned by a handful of skaters internationally (five to be precise: Chan (196.75); Hanyu (193.41); Fernandez (186.07); Takahashi (182.72) and Kozuka (180.79)) and was more than 25 points higher than his personal best.
I think it's good for Jason's head space that he's focusing more on his practices and enjoying this new-found attention and less on his placement at the Olympics. I feel like that was sort of Jeremy's downfall in 2010 -- after he turned in those amazing performances at Nationals, everyone was saying that those were medal-worthy performances all over the place and I think that sort of messed with him.
While Jason's FS has gone viral, you don't have a ton of people saying, " Omigod, Jason is going to win the OGM!" all the place. Rather, the excitement is more about his engagement with/ performance for the audience. In fact, very little has been said regarding his medal prospects in interviews.
The closest thing is when Jason said in Mashable: "I do think that anything is possible. I do think that anything can happen, and I do feel I could walk away with a medal."
And of course anything is possible and there's nothing wrong with saying that. But again, I think it's smart to focus less on that and more on just getting the programs perfect.
The problem is people not understanding the system and saying Jason has no chance because he doesn't have a quad. Like there is anything in the system that makes one a requirement. Or that they weren't saying the same thing about US nationals and predicting max Aaron.
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I think Jason would have had a chance in 2010 but this is 2014 so if Chan and Hanyu falter he still has to get past Dai, Machida, Ten, and Fernandez and if they falter he then has to hope Abbott doesn't have his epiphany or one shot wonder skate not to mention Brezina and Verner and if they also falter he still would have to hope that Joubert, Amodio or Reynolds don't rekindle their margic. that's a lot of stars aligning. He also is still not as well known internationally and after reviewing his program and in particulr thelong - really not as impressive as I originally thought. He really does not get the music or the foot steps like bourne and Kraatz - I expected something more - think if Kurt Browning did this or Joubert the foot steps and the charisma would have been stronger but mind you he is only 19 or so.
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Agree, Mrs. P. But I do wonder:
I recall a post-Boston interview in which Jason said something to the effect that for the longest time he had been content to look ahead to 2018. Kori was the one who was thinking seriously about the possibility of 2014, and with her nudging, Jason finally started to as well.
I do believe that their focus is (and should be) on clean programs and not on placements, but do you think it's possible that Kori --without pressuring Jason -- is at least encouraging him not to show up with the assumption that he has zero chance of a medal?
ETA, Kori and Jason now have a sponsor? Justin's nut butters (which are yummy, BTW).
http://instagram.com/p/ju9-FFzXIl/ (photos from @jasonbskates)
ETA:
http://instagram.com/p/ju9BD7pyq0/ (photo from @sk8coachirok)
https://twitter.com/irokdamic/status/428336281056079872
https://twitter.com/irokdamic/status/428336281056079872
Trophee Eric bombard shows how brown can beat hanyu. Hanyu Tes was 87 and brown was 78 with a singles axel. And hanyu singled a quad salchow but hanyu pcs 81 and brown 80. Hanyu is not really a problem at all. With all his planned jumps and his new status as us number one singles skater he can easily surpass hanyu in pcs and probably tech goe and in surpassing hanyu get close to chan. People don't even have to falter that much!
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Does anybody know if "5th place at his Nationals" Takahashi is even over his injury? It's kind of like with Plushenko - people still keep them on that high level because of their past accomplishments without facing the reality of their injuries - like some miracle is going to happen. Maybe it will but I'm not counting on it.
I'm also not saying Jason is a lock for a medal - I would be thrilled with a top 10. But, we've seen Javier throw down some pretty ineffective skates - including at 4CCs. Consistency is not his strong suit. Each of the men that are considered in the top 5 have all had problems in either their short or their long. So - anything is possible. But I think it would be wise coaching for Kori to continue to take the attitude that Jason should skate 2 clean programs and, if that happens, he has a chance to medal. I think there is tremendous pressure on him right now because of all that's happened since Nats. I think the expectations for him are very high. But I can't imagine any coach of an elite skater implying that a medal isn't a possibility.
Mentioned this once but I still take exception to Skater Boy trying to compare Jason to Bourne and Kraatz. That's like comparing apples and oranges. Bourne and Kraatz were supposed to concentrate on the foot steps - they're ice dancers. They didn't have to think about the next triple jump or the spin. Not sure why that was even mentioned.
I'm also not saying Jason is a lock for a medal - I would be thrilled with a top 10. But, we've seen Javier throw down some pretty ineffective skates - including at 4CCs. Consistency is not his strong suit. Each of the men that are considered in the top 5 have all had problems in either their short or their long. So - anything is possible. But I think it would be wise coaching for Kori to continue to take the attitude that Jason should skate 2 clean programs and, if that happens, he has a chance to medal. I think there is tremendous pressure on him right now because of all that's happened since Nats. I think the expectations for him are very high. But I can't imagine any coach of an elite skater implying that a medal isn't a possibility.
Mentioned this once but I still take exception to Skater Boy trying to compare Jason to Bourne and Kraatz. That's like comparing apples and oranges. Bourne and Kraatz were supposed to concentrate on the foot steps - they're ice dancers. They didn't have to think about the next triple jump or the spin. Not sure why that was even mentioned.
The Insider was preempted in the West Coast due to the State of the Union speech. Boo. I hope there's some video that comes online at some point.
Well certainly, I'm sure Kori is encouraging him to be positive (not that is hard to do for Jason) and to keep the possibility open. And I'm sure given the fact he overcame what he saw were big odds to get on the U.S. Olympic Team, Jason himself knows that anything is possible if he does his best. But I think that's the point. Having even the thought in his head that a medal is possible requires, IMO, him to be training well. I feel like knowledge that he is training well is the foundation of his confidence going into a competition.
That nut butter looks delish. Must try. Actually I want the dark chocolate peanut butter cups!! Two of my favorite things in ONE SNACK! BAMMMMM! (I'm hungry.
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Yuzuru still beat Jason by more than 10 points and that was with him missing BOTH his quads...so WTH are you talking about?! And his PB Is 196 something. Jason is not going to get that score without a quad.
The chatter is that Takahashi is still healing from him injury, hence the decision to not include him in the team competition. That said, Takahashi can pull out some pretty amazing performances amid struggle. Fernandez, I think is peaking at the right time, so I don't think we can rely on him messing up either. And there's a reason that I said I have no reason how Plushy will score. He may be banged up, but he can still pull off the quads and the scores...
Obviously this could happen, but I don't want Jason to medal if that means a bunch of guys messing up. The thrill of Nationals, for me, isn't only that Jason had the skate of his life, but that several other skaters did REALLY well also. Max, Josh and Jeremy all turned in wonderful performances as well. Jason got on the Olympic team despite GREAT performances by others. That's pretty cool.
Again, I don't think it's wrong to say that a medal is a possibility or to come in with that mind set, but I rather Jason place in the top 10 with everyone bringing it then Jason getting bronze because it was a splatfest. The best of Jason's skating is yet to come, no need to rush it!
RE: Bourne and Kraatz...yes its a bit of apples and oranges, but I do take issue at your implication that their Riverdance isn't as compelling because wasn't technically as difficult. They basically was doing Jason's amazing level 4 step sequences for FOUR MINUTES. Jason has mentioned in interviews how tough it was to do the step sequences and how they worked on it for HOURS to perfect it. If Jason had to work for hours to perfect 30 seconds of step sequence, can you imagine the amount of work it took B/K to perfect a 4 minute dance full of them?
I personally like both B/K's Riverdance FD and Jason's FS. But I can understand others preferring one over the other.
Well certainly, I'm sure Kori is encouraging him to be positive (not that is hard to do for Jason) and to keep the possibility open. And I'm sure given the fact he overcame what he saw were big odds to get on the U.S. Olympic Team, Jason himself knows that anything is possible if he does his best. But I think that's the point. Having even the thought in his head that a medal is possible requires, IMO, him to be training well. I feel like knowledge that he is training well is the foundation of his confidence going into a competition.
That nut butter looks delish. Must try. Actually I want the dark chocolate peanut butter cups!! Two of my favorite things in ONE SNACK! BAMMMMM! (I'm hungry.
)Yuzuru still beat Jason by more than 10 points and that was with him missing BOTH his quads...so WTH are you talking about?! And his PB Is 196 something. Jason is not going to get that score without a quad.
The chatter is that Takahashi is still healing from him injury, hence the decision to not include him in the team competition. That said, Takahashi can pull out some pretty amazing performances amid struggle. Fernandez, I think is peaking at the right time, so I don't think we can rely on him messing up either. And there's a reason that I said I have no reason how Plushy will score. He may be banged up, but he can still pull off the quads and the scores...
Obviously this could happen, but I don't want Jason to medal if that means a bunch of guys messing up. The thrill of Nationals, for me, isn't only that Jason had the skate of his life, but that several other skaters did REALLY well also. Max, Josh and Jeremy all turned in wonderful performances as well. Jason got on the Olympic team despite GREAT performances by others. That's pretty cool.
Again, I don't think it's wrong to say that a medal is a possibility or to come in with that mind set, but I rather Jason place in the top 10 with everyone bringing it then Jason getting bronze because it was a splatfest. The best of Jason's skating is yet to come, no need to rush it!
RE: Bourne and Kraatz...yes its a bit of apples and oranges, but I do take issue at your implication that their Riverdance isn't as compelling because wasn't technically as difficult. They basically was doing Jason's amazing level 4 step sequences for FOUR MINUTES. Jason has mentioned in interviews how tough it was to do the step sequences and how they worked on it for HOURS to perfect it. If Jason had to work for hours to perfect 30 seconds of step sequence, can you imagine the amount of work it took B/K to perfect a 4 minute dance full of them?
I personally like both B/K's Riverdance FD and Jason's FS. But I can understand others preferring one over the other.
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I wasn't implying that Bourne and Kraatz's performance wasn't compelling or beautiful or great! I was only saying that it was unfair to compare their performance in a different discipline to Jason's. And I liked them both for different reasons. I personally thought B&K got robbed!
Sheesh. I don't think you can or should compare the footwork in a singles program to the footwork in an ice dance program.
Sheesh. I don't think you can or should compare the footwork in a singles program to the footwork in an ice dance program.
The Insider was preempted in the West Coast due to the State of the Union speech. Boo. I hope there's some video that comes online at some point.
Well certainly, I'm sure Kori is encouraging him to be positive (not that is hard to do for Jason) and to keep the possibility open. And I'm sure given the fact he overcame what he saw were big odds to get on the U.S. Olympic Team, Jason himself knows that anything is possible if he does his best. But I think that's the point. Having even the thought in his head that a medal is possible requires, IMO, him to be training well. I feel like knowledge that he is training well is the foundation of his confidence going into a competition.
That nut butter looks delish. Must try. Actually I want the dark chocolate peanut butter cups!! Two of my favorite things in ONE SNACK! BAMMMMM! (I'm hungry.
Yuzuru still beat Jason by more than 10 points and that was with him missing BOTH his quads...so WTH are you talking about?! And his PB Is 196 something. Jason is not going to get that score without a quad.
The chatter is that Takahashi is still healing from him injury, hence the decision to not include him in the team competition. That said, Takahashi can pull out some pretty amazing performances amid struggle. Fernandez, I think is peaking at the right time, so I don't think we can rely on him messing up either. And there's a reason that I said I have no reason how Plushy will score. He may be banged up, but he can still pull off the quads and the scores...
Obviously this could happen, but I don't want Jason to medal if that means a bunch of guys messing up. The thrill of Nationals, for me, isn't only that Jason had the skate of his life, but that several other skaters did REALLY well also. Max, Josh and Jeremy all turned in wonderful performances as well. Jason got on the Olympic team despite GREAT performances by others. That's pretty cool.
Again, I don't think it's wrong to say that a medal is a possibility or to come in with that mind set, but I rather Jason place in the top 10 with everyone bringing it then Jason getting bronze because it was a splatfest. The best of Jason's skating is yet to come, no need to rush it!
RE: Bourne and Kraatz...yes its a bit of apples and oranges, but I do take issue at your implication that their Riverdance isn't as compelling because wasn't technically as difficult. They basically was doing Jason's amazing level 4 step sequences for FOUR MINUTES. Jason has mentioned in interviews how tough it was to do the step sequences and how they worked on it for HOURS to perfect it. If Jason had to work for hours to perfect 30 seconds of step sequence, can you imagine the amount of work it took B/K to perfect a 4 minute dance full of them?
I personally like both B/K's Riverdance FD and Jason's FS. But I can understand others preferring one over the other.
Brown made mistakes at teb too! What about almost tying hanyu on pcs with all browns mistakes! Of course brown doesn't need anything but the highest score the day of the event. Downplay and dismiss browns chances all you can but you don't need a quad and you don't need any element.
