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Javier Fernandez

You are bringing up a few very interesting points, Olibritt.

I completely agree that talent knows no geography and with help from a combination of luck and circumstance, it will surface against all the odds. Whether it will be nurtured or wasted is another matter of course.

We could even say that a skater like Javi was destined to be noticed exactly because, as you say, he didn't have much competition growing up. He was in no risk of drowning in a sea of talent when there were so few Spanish kids taking up skating in the first place, especially compared to the sheer numbers flocking to the ice every day in big powerhouse nations like Russia, Japan or Canada. It must be incredibly tough for a novice to stand out in these countries for example. And who knows how much talent gets wasted, late bloomer kids and the like, who get sidelined by their own coaches simply because there are others showing more promise at the time who they would have eventually surpassed.

However, I do think that absolute numbers are an incredibly important driving force in how far top talent can get. Sure enough, they haven't translated to an Olympic gold medal in the men's event for Canada yet, and Russia didn't even have a medalist last time. But if we look at the broader Olympic picture for those two nations, Russia is the only country ever that has been able to produce 4 consecutive gold medals from 4 different men. And the number of medals Canada has won is only surpassed by the US. Those medalists are the tip of the iceberg representing the incredible amount of talent and expertise these countries have. Or to say it more bluntly, so many people on whose backs those guys were able to climb to the top. Just consider for example that Javi reportedly had to learn the 3A pretty much by himself because there was no coach in Spain able to teach the technique, and no Spanish skater had ever landed one before, for Javi to learn from by watching. Russian skaters probably can't even imagine that circumstance, having so much talent on the ice and expertise behind the boards to learn from.

So if we look at countries like Spain where figure skating is a minority sport, or small ones in terms of population like Finland, outstanding talent can absolutely rise there too, just as it has done with Javi, and with Rakhamo/Kokko and that brief era of top Finnish ladies. But such talented skaters look to be mostly outliers for now, with a lot depending on the long term impact they make in their country. But just look at what Yuna has unleashed in South Korea, and the incredible number of novice and now junior girls waiting to explode to the world stage. My guess is that must have occurred as a combination of the number of girls wanting to become the next Yuna, and probably South Korea now taking figure skating seriously as a sport. We have yet to see what sort of change Javi can bring about in Spain. Not just in the number of kids being inspired by his example to take up skating. Also in the support the sport will get, where it seems Javi will have to become the key figure too. Did anyone notice the exchange between the president of the Spanish ice sports federation and the president of the Spanish higher sports council during Javi's press conference just before Christmas? The sports fed guy was apparently making a point that skating is the only Olympic sport which doesn't have a high performance center in Spain, and the president of the higher sports council responded that until Javi can start coaching kids himself, skating will have to continue using the currently existing facilities.
 
Eppen, my previous post was a comment for you. I tried to make a quote but instead made some mistake there, sorry!

Ei hätää mitään, Lyyli! Thanks for correcting me there! I had completely forgotten about that Olympic spot for ladies. :eeking: I hope that Emmi Peltonen gets it, because of the current teenagers, she has the most complete package (if she can keep it together).

I agree with Tureis here, numbers do mean a lot. A Javier Fernández can occur anywhere in the world at any time, but continuity does need more and a large base of athletes at different levels is a good start for that. Plus if there is internal competition, it tends to produce more good athletes (thinking of Eteri Tutberidze's gazillion teenage girls at the mo, or the Japanese ladies).

In Finland there were basically no senior ladies for a few years after Kiira Korpi retired, but now we have a fairly good field of senior/junior ladies who are promising. In ice dance, there are 3 teams all of a sudden (thanks to skaters changing disciplines and coming back from retirement), so who knows, maybe one day there will be a new Rahkamo & Kokko... I have mostly lost my hope on men, but who knows... The difference between Finland and Spain - thinking of the past couple of decades - is that in Finland, we have had a whole system working for a long time, far more facilities, coaches (I think) etc. than Spain. And also maybe even money to develop promising skaters (the Federations and state give grants for athletes, not big ones and not for a lot of athletes, but still).

One thing that came to my mind also was that Finland has some of the most successful synchronized skating teams in the world and they probably take in some of the talent in the ladies. Boys, as was said, go to hockey and skiing etc. winter sports, I guess.

Returning to the proper topic of this thread. Another interview has appeared - the CDN press conference keeps giving :love: This time in El Pais. I am very happy of the fact that the Spanish journalists have stopped asking him the "when did you start skating" type questions and assume that their audience know the basic fact of Javier Fernández.

Also, Stars on Ice Japan has announced a part of its lineup and Javi will be gainfully employed after the Worlds. (I even checked prices for flights to Tokyo about that time until I realized that I could not do it because of work...)

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And he looks very handsome but somewhat baffled in the Gala Inocente Inocente prank. Too funny!! :laugh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwoLvB_H1M4

I was just left wondering what kind of excuse thy used to get him to be there in the first place...

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Awww Javi was impossibly cute during this whole thing! :laugh: How he manages to look sweet instead of stupid in such a situation is beyond me. I would have definitely been gaping like an idiot. :laugh:

From what I understand from the intro narration, they got him there under the pretense of asking him to serve as patron for an exhibit about the Olympic movement, but maybe one of our Spanish speakers confirm that I understood this correctly?
 
Awww Javi was impossibly cute during this whole thing! :laugh: How he manages to look sweet instead of stupid in such a situation is beyond me. I would have definitely been gaping like an idiot. :laugh:

From what I understand from the intro narration, they got him there under the pretense of asking him to serve as patron for an exhibit about the Olympic movement, but maybe one of our Spanish speakers confirm that I understood this correctly?

Javi is impossibly cute during the whole prank. I don't know if I would have been so ingenuous because the Picasso drawing supposedly from 1929 looks like it's on brand-new paper, without any dust or yellowing from age. The tape also looked brand new, not almost 90 years old. And on December 28 (the Spanish equivalent of April 1 in the US), I would have been an eeensy bit more on my guard.

Nonetheless, Javi was so adorable & sweet during the whole thing that watching the video was just a delight. Lately he's been talking so much about how long he's been skating & how old he feels that I had almost forgotten how young he still is. He certainly comes off as a naive little kid in this "inocentada."
 
Javi is impossibly cute during the whole prank. I don't know if I would have been so ingenuous because the Picasso drawing supposedly from 1929 looks like it's on brand-new paper, without any dust or yellowing from age. The tape also looked brand new, not almost 90 years old. And on December 28 (the Spanish equivalent of April 1 in the US), I would have been an eeensy bit more on my guard.

The ads for the show with the picture of him with flowers at the end of the shoot appeared on December 20, so the prank must have been shot before that and in Madrid which limits the days mostly to the first week he was in Spain. He was wearing the same suit and a white shirt as on the Museo de Cera day, but they could have shot it on any of the days before the 14th when he was already on his way to/in Barcelona for Reebok or then on the 18th or 19th after he returned from Jaca.

I don't know if they have to agree to participate to this beforehand, but I dont't think so because then the victims would probably be more suspicious of anything weird going on in the days preceding the 28th :scratch2: I watched some of the other ones and the pranks are rather elaborate and relatively well prepared, so at least all three persons I saw were completely fooled by the set-up. I also wondered how they choose the topics - eg the first one was a small meteorite falling, the other voice-flying a drone and then Javi's Picasso drawing. The makers must have had to collaborate with someone close to the victims somehow to get an insight what would work?!

We have already started the new year - so happy New Year to all of you and particularly to Javi himself! May all his wishes come true this spring!


One of my favourite moments this whole year was this performance in France and his reaction at the end of it. He is usually so very modest in his celebrations after even the best of his performances, so that smile on his face and the twirl afterwards spoke volumes of his feelings at that moment.

Plus one more interview from his visit to Spain.

Add: another interview. A radio interview made on the Museo de Cera day.

And an FB video of him skating on Laguna de Grande de Gredos - it is in the general area where his family is from. [It turned out not to be Javi after all, but the scene is so stunning that I'll leave it here!]

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I don't know if they have to agree to participate to this beforehand, but I dont't think so because then the victims would probably be more suspicious of anything weird going on in the days preceding the 28th :scratch2: I watched some of the other ones and the pranks are rather elaborate and relatively well prepared, so at least all three persons I saw were completely fooled by the set-up. I also wondered how they choose the topics - eg the first one was a small meteorite falling, the other voice-flying a drone and then Javi's Picasso drawing. The makers must have had to collaborate with someone close to the victims somehow to get an insight what would work?!

Yeah it was obvious Javi had no clue what was going on. I suppose they got the deal set up with Javi's management behind his back, explaining the whole prank, getting their approval and then doing a lot of planning with Javi's team, including someone on that team lying very convincingly to Javi about the whole thing. :laugh: I guess they had to accommodate Javi's general plans and commitments for that week, ie a LOT of appearances related to the coming Olympics, and an exhibit about the Olympics as the pretense makes sense.

One of my favourite moments this whole year was this performance in France and his reaction at the end of it. He is usually so very modest in his celebrations after even the best of his performances, so that smile on his face and the twirl afterwards spoke volumes of his feelings at that moment.

It was such a sweet moment, all Javi's joy and probably a great deal of relief condensed into that smile and twirl. It was so cute, cool-headed world champion demeanor all forgotten, genuine boyish delight coming to the surface. And of course being actually there was so special, even if I have to admit I barely registered the twirl after the smile, I was way too ecstatic! :laugh:
 
And an FB video of him skating on Laguna de Grande de Gredos - it is in the general area where his family is from.

WOW that is a gorgeous lake! :eek: I hope Javi didn't freeze, sliding across the ice on his belly in that tiny jacket. :laugh: Frozen lakes are so incredible to skate on, even if they can be really treacherous. I would have been nervous about those dark patches for example!
 
The lake was really gorgeous! Could come out as a better quality version...

The Spanish media days keep producing interviews - here is a longish radio interview at Cope, done on December 20, but they are pretending it is January :laugh: It is a video also just in case you wanna watch him talk for 20 minutes.

They talk a lot about the Olympics, past and future, then around 11 min he talks a little bit about his rivals and about his relationship with Hanyu ("training mates", not really "amigos amigos").

At that point it was already known that he participated in the Gala Inocente, and he explains the experience around 13 min. It was organized by his manager and the pretext was an Olympics related exhibition and its opening at the museum, he was asked because he is young and might give new ideas to the whole thing. He was wondering about it because he does not know anything about art. (Please, correct me if I got it wrong, listening is always a bit difficult!)

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From what I understand from the intro narration, they got him there under the pretense of asking him to serve as patron for an exhibit about the Olympic movement, but maybe one of our Spanish speakers confirm that I understood this correctly?

I'm late but I hope I'm not too late...
You got it right!
He was asked to "apadrinar" the art exhibit about the olympics. Maybe "patron" is a strong word, he was asked a light support, as an olympic athlete.
The exhibit was supposed to be at ABC Museum.
ABC is one of the oldest spanish newspapers (1903). Very conservative and with not many readers nowadays but, until the 70s, it was the most important paper in Spain.
After the 70s, even though they lost a lot of readers, they kept (probably) the best cultural section of spanish press for years. And being so old, they have the best press library of articles and images, it's really impresive. At the beginning, the woman was showing Javi a picture of an Olympic Stadium bombed in WWII.
I'm sure that Javi didn't give too much thought about the "ABC exhibit" story, but it really makes sense... 😂
The one who knew all about it was his manager, he was the "hook". After they finnished, Javi had to give his permission to the producers to use the recordings for the program. But, as he said, once you are told that it's a fundraiser to help children with cancer, who can say no?
Those are all the details I can think of but, any other doubt, just tell me.
Happy New Year!!
 
And an FB video of him skating on Laguna de Grande de Gredos - it is in the general area where his family is from.

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I love that video!!
I enjoyed it a lot. I know that lake, I went there a lot of years ago, but in summer!!
It's a glaciar lake, up in the mountain. It takes around a couple of hours walking up the mountain to arrive there. And the way to arrive is a roman road made of stones, still in use, mostly by mountain climbers. It's really a beautiful place... And he is really fit!!
 
I love that video!!
I enjoyed it a lot. I know that lake, I went there a lot of years ago, but in summer!!
It's a glaciar lake, up in the mountain. It takes around a couple of hours walking up the mountain to arrive there. And the way to arrive is a roman road made of stones, still in use, mostly by mountain climbers. It's really a beautiful place... And he is really fit!!

An important update!!!
The video has a title saying "Javier Fernandez" but, the same FB page that published that video, today posted a message saying he is not javi, he's a local skater named Jaime Garcia.
https://www.facebook.com/Bar-Gredos-Hoyos-del-Espino-106627566055010/

The video is still great!!
 
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