And another video including Javi supporting something: https://www.facebook.com/Iker.Casillas/videos/1202970586399831/?permPage=1
It seems like a race in Navalacruz? Someone who knows Spanish help me
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And another video including Javi supporting something: https://www.facebook.com/Iker.Casillas/videos/1202970586399831/?permPage=1
It seems like a race in Navalacruz? Someone who knows Spanish help me
But the Feds play a basic part on picking the skaters for their events, and I don't think they will let the opportunity of having Boyang pass.
the GP distribution was going to be at the end of June IIRC. If Javi goes to an early assignment, I'm sure he will modify his training accordingly :yes:
And another video including Javi supporting something: https://www.facebook.com/Iker.Casillas/videos/1202970586399831/?permPage=1
It seems like a race in Navalacruz? Someone who knows Spanish help me
I can't see the video, but the caption do says he is supporting a race in Navalacruz
Edit: I can see it now, and yes it's that
Javi announced the date.
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This little vid featuring a collection of Javi's quads was posted right when I was thinking about them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnTl6u6Wwmw
There was some talk about the transitions and preparations for jumps and watching this you can see that after he started to work with Brian, the postions and approaches to both quads have been pretty much set. He does them to the long side of the rink, a little off the central point (with Morozov to the end and close to where he does thme now). He can pick up speed coming along the other side of the rink and then crosses the width of the rink on a circular line doing a couple of turns before the 4S and one before the 4T. He can do both into the same positions, single or in combinations. (And I wonder if he could do one of them with different approaches in SP and FS? Hanyu has different preps for quads in SP and FS, so...)
In 2011, he did the axels also to the same places as the quads, but that has been since changed and he tends to do them along the long central axis. Lots of variations in the preparations, but always a little wiggle on his right foot before taking off to the jump. The Lutz/Lutz combo and the flip combo get done in either end of the rink. The preparation for the lutz tends to be a fairly simple one with not that many steps and turns before it - and the final edge before the take off is the longest in all the triples. Lots of stuff can preceed the flip combo... The spreadeagle+3Lo has also been there since 2011 (but it's a goodie and I think I've now seen other guys try and do it, but none have been able to do it exactly right).
The order of the jumps has also been pretty much the same, at least for the more difficult passes: quad, quad combo, axel/axel combo in the first part and the second starting with the third quad/quad combo (depending whether he got it done the first time) and then the flip combo, axel/loop/toeloop, lutz/lutz combo and the last jump is loop/toeloop/salchow. This is stardard practice for most skaters.
This also explains how they manage to do the choreographies so fast - the elements (mostl importantly jumps) and their order is set as is also where they will have to be, so what needs to be done is basically to determine how the skater will get from one element to the other.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnTl6u6Wwmw
There was some talk about the transitions and preparations for jumps and watching this you can see that after he started to work with Brian, the postions and approaches to both quads have been pretty much set. He does them to the long side of the rink, a little off the central point (with Morozov to the end and close to where he does thme now). He can pick up speed coming along the other side of the rink and then crosses the width of the rink on a circular line doing a couple of turns before the 4S and one before the 4T. He can do both into the same positions, single or in combinations. (And I wonder if he could do one of them with different approaches in SP and FS? Hanyu has different preps for quads in SP and FS, so...)
In 2011, he did the axels also to the same places as the quads, but that has been since changed and he tends to do them along the long central axis. Lots of variations in the preparations, but always a little wiggle on his right foot before taking off to the jump. The Lutz/Lutz combo and the flip combo get done in either end of the rink. The preparation for the lutz tends to be a fairly simple one with not that many steps and turns before it - and the final edge before the take off is the longest in all the triples. Lots of stuff can preceed the flip combo... The spreadeagle+3Lo has also been there since 2011 (but it's a goodie and I think I've now seen other guys try and do it, but none have been able to do it exactly right).
The order of the jumps has also been pretty much the same, at least for the more difficult passes: quad, quad combo, axel/axel combo in the first part and the second starting with the third quad/quad combo (depending whether he got it done the first time) and then the flip combo, axel/loop/toeloop, lutz/lutz combo and the last jump is loop/toeloop/salchow. This is stardard practice for most skaters.
This also explains how they manage to do the choreographies so fast - the elements (mostl importantly jumps) and their order is set as is also where they will have to be, so what needs to be done is basically to determine how the skater will get from one element to the other.
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I actually liked the kind of "unexpected" 3T he used to do in his FS before adding the 2nd 3A... but I understand that he needs the 2nd 3A. And his 3A is good so I can't really complain.
If he ever decides to do different preparations for his quads, it will surely be interesting to see. But if it is true that he does not like practicing tons of quads per session, I don't know if it's going to happen anytime soon.
Then again, he has to know how to preserve his body and stay healthy for 2018.But the Feds play a basic part on picking the skaters for their events, and I don't think they will let the opportunity of having Boyang pass.
the GP distribution was going to be at the end of June IIRC. If Javi goes to an early assignment, I'm sure he will modify his training accordingly :yes:
I can't see the video, but the caption do says he is supporting a race in Navalacruz
Edit: I can see it now, and yes it's that
Thank you xibsuarz!
The GP assignments this year will be decided on June 29th and 30th I think. I agree that Javi knows what he needs to do in case he gets an early assignment.
(although "whining" on instagram at the end of every summer about how he's going to miss his family and beach and the sun etc. is kind of like part of his annual routine
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That is weird, I thought the reigning world champion should have some privilege and get to choose the GP series he prefers. :sarcasm:
Team Brian have managed Javi's condition throughout the seasons very well for the past two years, and since Javi set his goal to win the 3rd consecutive world title & OGM of 18' Olympics, I assume that they have already made a 2-year plan. Moreover, since the competitions of both 17' worlds and 18' Olympics are scheduled in the middle of the day, they would probably adjust Javi's training routine accordingly.
According to Kurt Browning's comment in the worlds gala, we can almost certain that certain "moves in the field" in the "Danny Boy" number, i.e. , the Ina Bauer, will be incorporated in one of his competitive programs.
Yeah you would think The World Champion could take their pick but there's a reason why Yuna Kim could never get NHK Trophy. The big Federations always want their domestic #1s there and some smaller fed skaters will get shafted. I think it makes them stronger though.
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I actually liked the kind of "unexpected" 3T he used to do in his FS before adding the 2nd 3A... but I understand that he needs the 2nd 3A. And his 3A is good so I can't really complain.
Me too, I like this dynamic "coming out of nowhere" 3T, even though many tease/criticized him that as one of the top skaters, he should not use the easiest triple jump as one of his jumping pass. I think that his team had let him try different jumps towards the end of his FS, given the difficulty of his program which is always fully packed with transitions and he is most likely gassed out by the last jump, 3T is the most reliable 3 jump to replace 3 Sal, avoiding the annoying zayke issue which cost his Olympic bronze medal.
IIf he ever decides to do different preparations for his quads, it will surely be interesting to see. But if it is true that he does not like practicing tons of quads per session, I don't know if it's going to happen anytime soon.
If he is going to use different entry for his quads, I wish it is for his 4T, it seems that his 4T has been more consistent last season and he has had problem with 4Sal from time to time. However, it appears to me that unlike other skaters, Javi does not rely on his muscle memory very much when comes to the quads, it is more like a mental game for him.
(although "whining" on instagram at the end of every summer about how he's going to miss his family and beach and the sun etc. is kind of like part of his annual routine
It is typical Javi, isn't he? he is such a big boy, like kids who hate to go back to school after a long summer breaker
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It make sense since the figure skating is fundamentally big federations' game, but I doubt whether Yuna wants to compete in Japan at the first place, even though she is a fierce competitor.
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I think one of the reasons that Malagueña turned out great was that the vocal was put at the right time. Antonio Najarro did a superb job with the choreography. I have no complain about this SP except that I'm still not used to seeing the beard. But I appreciate that Javi would grow one for each competition and then shave it before the FS
May I say Antonio's music cut & editing is a master piece, let alone the intricate & authentic & mind blogging choreography. I feel sorry that Javi did not get a chance to do a clean Malagueña last season, but I wish he can at least keep it as an exhibition program. If he uses it in the coming FaOI shows, I bet I will try to get to see the show more than once. Performance-wise, I think Javi has done a fantastic job with this program; he said he had never danced flamenco before, but he has a cousin who is a professional flamenco dancer.
I would very much like Antonio Najarro's input in Javi's future programs, Spanish theme or not. He is helping Ilinykh with her blue SP. Otherwise it would be a waste of resource.
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I just wanted to mention that this article discusses that Javier will be thinking about new programs after Stars on Ice, FaOI and his vacation.
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Thank you very much for the link, Mango. Yes, Javi's little vacation at home used to be a month or a month and a half
He used 3Lo as his last jump in the FS this past season, and I think it's a good choice.
I however get the impression that overall his 4S is not less consistent than his 4T? In the past he had issues with his 4T consistency as well. It is true that at the beginning of the 2015-2016 season he had some trouble with 4S, but later in the season his 4S seemed to be quite reliable.
I believe Javi has used Black Betty in shows, and he used it as his exhibition number at Euros this year. And didn't he perform the "I Love Paris" SP in a show not very long ago? So there is hope that he might keep Malagueña as an exhibition/show number. During the Euros someone said that this program worked much better live than on TV. I don't know if it is true, but I love it a lot even on TV.
As much as I love Malagueña, though, I do think that the longer you work with a choreographer, the better you know each other, and the more likely that the choreographer can really put together something that suits you, plays to your strengths, and capitalize on your various abilities. I am really happy that Malagueña worked out well, but I don't know if it will be more than a one time thing.
(Not to mention that David Wilson has done GREAT programs for Javi, and they seem to have a really good rapport.)
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Thanks for the link! Maybe they already have something in mind, which would be nice.
Between CSOI and FaOI Javi probably had only two days at most in Toronto, though... He could of course start thinking or even working on new programs, but I doubt he had enough time to actually get a program done.
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4 Sal is his first quad, Javi recalled he landed one 3 days after his first try, sometime in 2007. 4 Sal has been his main quad jump, but last season since he had problem with this jump every competition, he even had trouble with it at the worlds, taking a fall in SP and missing some & shaking landings during the practice. Thankfully, Javi is sort of skater who is able to pull off jumps in the competition if he misses them in the practice or warm-up.
Boy, any of his performance works much better live than on TV, whilst many skaters vice versa. I watched his Malagueña twice live, one in COC and the other in Boston. COC's debut was stunning, as I had never expected Javi coming out as a flamenco dancer with such maturity & confident command on ice. In Boston, the fall did not make the program less brilliant, but I do think that his focus at the outset had been entirely on the first two jumping passes. And 3 Axel with the intricate dance move is marvelous.
Of course I want DW remains as Javi's main mentor & choreographer, but Malagueña is a collaboration of DW & Antonio, DW mainly worked on the foot steps, whilst Antonio, being the mastermind of the program, was in charge of the music & dance choreography. DW has done master pieces for Javi, but he did so-so in his most important season. Sometimes DW & Brain Orser can be so old-fashioned, e.g., Peter Gunn for Javi and Die Fledermaus for Yuna. Under such circumstance, it should not be a bad idea if someone like Antonio could give some advice or bring fresh outlook.I am sure DW won't mind, since he happily took Sandra's idea for Yuna's bond girl.
Javi named Black Betty one of his favorite programs, along with Pirates of the Caribbean and Charlie Chaplin Melody. Somehow I like his most of short programs, I love Paris, Black Betty and Malagueña are my top three picks.
Speaking of Javi's short program, does any one know why he used three different SP for his 09-10 Olympic Season, The Mexican for 10 Euros, James Bond for the Olympics, The Matrix for 10 Worlds, one for each month, this was so odd and it puzzled me for years
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Sorry that I misunderstood you! And I wasn't aware that David also worked on Malagueña.
I guess theoretically having someone else's input when necessary might work, but in practice it is rather unlikely? David did mention in this interview about Sasha Cohen (https://youtu.be/bNI6lBUIHqY?t=42s) that there is an unspoken rule that choreographers don't change other choreographers' work. I know that a couple of Javi's programs have both David and Jeff's input, but maybe it worked well because they all know and understand each other so well? (And Sandra is also someone they know well.) I could be wrong, but I'd imagine that if someone else helps with Javi's programs, it will more likely be Jeff than others.
I have complicated feelings toward Javi's programs of the 2013-2014 season, especially the FS. I'm not trying to say that it was great, but I still think people found it disappointing partly because the Chaplin program the previous season left such a strong impression and set the bar high. And Javi had other problems that season that might have contributed to why his programs did not work as well as those in the previous season. If I am not mistaken he had problems with his new skates, and eventually had to switch back to his old ones. Still, I feel that he did have fun with the FS at Euros that season.
I think "old-fashioned" only becomes a problem when the program does not work. As for Javi's FS in 2013-2014, they might be deliberately trying to evoke something. David mentioned that he remembered that Brian skated to "Harlem Nocturne," too. He also said that he wanted the program have a bit of Brian, a bit of himself, and a lot of Javi. I guess I could see where he came from, although how the program actually worked that season would be another matter.
Javi named Black Betty one of his favorite programs, along with Pirates of the Caribbean and Charlie Chaplin Melody. Somehow I like his most of short programs, I love Paris, Black Betty and Malagueña are my top three picks.
Speaking of Javi's short program, does any one know why he used three different SP for his 09-10 Olympic Season, The Mexican for 10 Euros, James Bond for the Olympics, The Matrix for 10 Worlds, one for each month, this was so odd and it puzzled me for years
But he said that before Guys and Dolls I believe? I wonder if it has become one of his favorites now.
It certainly is one of mine.I agree with you completely as I Love Paris, Black Betty and Malagueña are my top 3 SP picks, too. Black Betty is probably my favorite:luv17:, with Malagueña not very far behind. And I Love Paris is so adorable and such a good fit for him.
I have no idea why he would use three different SPs in 2009-2010. Maybe they didn't know which one would work for him?
In any case, I wonder how was he even able to know what he was doing, as Miki joked about how he didn't even remember his steps for the Pirates of the Caribbean program Oh and by the way, Miki posted this: https://www.instagram.com/p/BF5bBrbl_Fk/
Javi got a haircut.
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Don't be sorry, I guess I did not make my point clear enough.
Antonio Najarro is a master when comes to dance choreography, especially Spanish theme, but he is not a skater, hence, despite being an influential figure skating choreographer, he needs someone else's input when they move the dance on the floor to the ice, in the meantime, the steps has to be in compliance with IJS rules. Since DW was in Madrid in July last year, I guess these two worked together during DW's stay on Malagueña. No matter how creative a person can be, a choreographer can sometimes use up ideas; it is fair to say DW create much less cookie-cutter/recycle programs in comparison with his peers, he does not always pull off brilliant stuff. It also depends on whether the skaters are capable to realize his choreography to its full potential, e.g. Johnny Weir's FS at the Olympics, which I doubt how much was left from DW's original work. As such, I believe that whilst the collaboration of two or more choreographers are uncommon, it can be more efficient and productive, Zueva + Shpilband, Tarasova +Morozov, Romain + Marie-France.
In the GS interview, DW felt very uncomfortable to change Morozov's R&J, but he did not decline the offer and made the change anyway. The new version is far much better, from the rearrangement of music to the choreographic movements. Yet his R&J for Ashley did not work, although I tried my best to appreciate it.
One of the big advantages of Team Brian is that they have these top-class choreographers to work with their skaters at the rink throughout the season. We can tell that DW had been tweaking Guys & Dolls until Javi's final competition, for instance, getting rid of those running steps and adding the step on the butt in the middle of the step sequence. The skaters would definitely be benefited under his tutelage.
On a side note, I found that the most interesting & creative choreography of DW's works are Pair/Ice dance programs.
Don't you think less is more? Peter Gunn theme could be the right vehicle for Javi in his mid 20s', of course with different & better music cut & arrangement, but not for 14's Olympics, I understood that Brian and DW wanted to reveal Javi's sexy/swagger side, but they took more risks right after Charlie Chaplin program, in which Javi was so innocent sweet & adorable. It is better to play safe in the Olympic season and they should keep on showing his boyish sweetness & attractive vulnerability. Brian told an Canadian journalist in an interview after 13 Euros' that "a lot of officials tell me that was the first time they’ve been moved since Kurt Browning did Casablanca (in 1993)." in my view, Casablanca's type of program was exactly the free skate program for Javi after Charlie Chaplin.
But he said that before Guys and Dolls I believe? I wonder if it has become one of his favorites now.
I agree with you completely as I Love Paris, Black Betty and Malagueña are my top 3 SP picks, too. Black Betty is probably my favorite:luv17:, with Malagueña not very far behind. And I Love Paris is so adorable and such a good fit for him...
It was after; in the SMC of 16 worlds, he answered a fan that Pirates of the Sea and Charlie Chaplin are his two favorites, he added Black Betty in an interview later on.
I guess Malagueña does not fit his personality as a glove, but he works hard to step out of his comfort zone and to go back to his roots.
I love "I love Paris" is because it is so refreshing & original, nothing forced/OTT, he expressed his joyfulness/freedom in such natural way and the straight line footwork is to die for, showcasing his strong basis of edge work; when comes to basic skating skill, he is definitely not Patrick Chan or Daisuke, but for a skater born and raised in Spain, it is quite outstanding and he always skates with deep edges.
I have no idea why he would use three different SPs in 2009-2010. Maybe they didn't know which one would work for him?
Crazy Morozov making Javi working on 3 short programs within 3 months
probably Miki was right, Javi did not do much run through when he was with Morozov, he said that nowadays he did more run-through in one week than he used to in the entire season. Do you remember that he fall twice doing step sequence of SP in 11 Euros', I was so surprised and began wondering whether he had an ear infection :eeking:Good, it seems Miki responses to Jenny Kirk's appeal to take care of Javi's haircut, in TSL's recap of 2015 COR, Jenny criticized Javi's hair and complained Miki did not do her job as his girl friend
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I think that the problems with quads 2015-6 were somehow connected to the jumping position rather than to a particular jump. It was the one in front of the judges which he did as the first jumping pass and it did not really matter whether it was the 4T (FS) or the 4S (in the SP before the second quad was added). In practice he usually needed a few tries before getting it right. The other side was less problematic - until of course in the worlds he fell there in the Malaguena which was so bad.
They did have to take a bit of the choreo that had preceded the 3T out when the second 3A was added - he said after the Euros (when he fell) that it had felt slow.
Evergreen, I really would have wanted to be in CoC to see that first performance of Malaguena, because it was the best as a performance IMO! <3 And it sure worked both ways, on TV and live.
In the TSL inteview with Miki she said very briefly that Morozov liked to change things all the time and based on the context she was probably referring to that constantly changing SP in 2009-10.
The OG season music picks tend to be on the conservative side - that's when the Carmens get dragged out of the closet ;-) No one wants to irritate the judges with too adventurous stuff... But the 2013-4 programs were not very good for Javi. I liked the quirkiness of Satan takes a Holiday, but the Peter Gunn program was just bland and boring. I just hope they come up with something cool and great for 2017-8!
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They did have to take a bit of the choreo that had preceded the 3T out when the second 3A was added - he said after the Euros (when he fell) that it had felt slow.
Evergreen, I really would have wanted to be in CoC to see that first performance of Malaguena, because it was the best as a performance IMO! <3 And it sure worked both ways, on TV and live.
In the TSL inteview with Miki she said very briefly that Morozov liked to change things all the time and based on the context she was probably referring to that constantly changing SP in 2009-10.
The OG season music picks tend to be on the conservative side - that's when the Carmens get dragged out of the closet ;-) No one wants to irritate the judges with too adventurous stuff... But the 2013-4 programs were not very good for Javi. I liked the quirkiness of Satan takes a Holiday, but the Peter Gunn program was just bland and boring. I just hope they come up with something cool and great for 2017-8!
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Was this link posted already? Photos of fantastic quality from the CSOI Toronto show
http://www.julielarochellephotograp...o-Photographer/ptdub/573f40fe0cf22b22de682880
http://www.julielarochellephotograp...o-Photographer/ptdub/573f40fe0cf22b22de682880
Speaking of tweaking Guys and Dolls... There is a thing that I've wondered since the Worlds. Did anyone else notice that even the costume was a little different at Worlds? The shirt was buttoned up a little. And at other competitions you could see an white undershirt or something, but at Worlds it could not be seen. I don't know whether he wasn't wearing it or it couldn't be seen because he buttoned the shirt up.
I kind of like the old way of wearing his costume a little bit better so I wonder why they made the change.
I love some of David's works for pairs and ice dance a lot, too.
I agree that for the 2014 Olympics it would probably have been better to have a program along the same line of the Chaplin medley (or even maybe keep the Chaplin program), just to be safe. I guess they decided to change to new programs (and to stick to new programs even after disappointing GP events) for a reason. I just don't know why.
Kurt Browning's Casablanca program was simply :luv17::luv17::luv17: And it had been 20 years between it and the Chaplin program. Wow, that's some high praise indeed!
Oh well... I guess I'll forgive him
Crazy Morozov making Javi working on 3 short programs within 3 months
I actually didn't remember and I just rewatched it... Wow that was bad... and weird. Oh and I still
when I see that costume.Lol I am so not looking forward to the Carmen overflow... The only recent Carmen I remember liking is Tessa and Scott's.
Here is hoping that Javi has great programs for the new season and especially for the 2017-2018 season!
Some lovely photos of the FaOI cast:
https://twitter.com/nobutaro1001/status/736104727436365824
https://www.instagram.com/p/BF55pjtREKK/
Javi does not have his Malagueña beard so maybe he is not skating it in these shows?... I wonder what he is skating for the FaOI tour.
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