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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

Scott512 said:
I would love to see them have a medal ceremony and receive their gold medais there gold medals in America get their silver medals in Japan get their bronze medals. But I don't know how they can fit it in now with all these other competitions going on. Can the Russian pairs team and the Russian dance team on the gold metal team taken hour or 2 away from their training and preparation for their skating in the individual events to go to a victory ceremony?

The main thing for me now is kanye V prepare for the ladies competition without any more interruptions from the IOC? Or should we expect something everyday until the competition starts?
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I want to see Chock/Bates, Zhou, and Hubbell/ Donohue get their medals and at least receive them.
 
Scott512 said:
I would love to see them have a medal ceremony and receive their gold medais there gold medals in America get their silver medals in Japan get their bronze medals. But I don't know how they can fit it in now with all these other competitions going on. Can the Russian pairs team and the Russian dance team on the gold metal team taken hour or 2 away from their training and preparation for their skating in the individual events to go to a victory ceremony?

The main thing for me now is kanye V prepare for the ladies competition without any more interruptions from the IOC? Or should we expect something everyday until the competition starts?
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Kanye???? Is that a new nickname or did your speech-to-text app have a slight error. :laugh:
 
Thanks for the summation :pray:

I do wonder why it keeps being stressed out that "a minor cannot be accused of violating anti-doping rules"

Is that a way of saying that they can't accuse anyone so this'll end up being ignored,
or are they currently trying to figure out who they're gonna be accusing instead?
 
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today at the morning press conference

https://tass.com/world/1400673

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"I’m not going to comment on all sorts of speculation that I have also seen. We had a situation arise yesterday at short notice that has legal implications. I'm not going to comment on a legal case because it wouldn't be appropriate," Adams stressed adding that "potential doping case is complete speculation.".
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Here's my opinion on this story. At 14, I can't believe this young girl knew she was being given a drug that was not legal. When I was 14, if my parents said I needed a shot, I got one. It would never occur to me that a doctor would give me anything that could hurt my career. If anyone is to "Blame" I'd start with her Coach, and Parents. If this Doctor knew who she was ( And I can't imagine he didn't ) He KNEW he was giving her something that could eventually ruin her career if the substance was ever discovered. Has she officially been banned from the rest of the Games?? I have to wonder if they'll ban her from the upcoming Worlds and pull any medal she won leading into these games.

Is there a way to test her for how long she's been using this substance? Europeans was not that long ago and this certainly calls into question the title she won there. Poor Girl.
 
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I wonder if constantly saying that a minor cannot be punished for a doping violation is either to show that Kamila will not be banned from the sport but will be DQ'd from the olympics, or that Kamila will not be banned AND will not be DQ'd. I think the former would be more fair and more in the spirit of anti doping rules while the latter would absolutely cause an uproar and tarnish whatever Kamila can and will do on olympic ice.
 
gsk8 said:
  • The alleged is a minor - a minor cannot be accused of violating anti-doping rules
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Are you sure? What I have understood, but I may be wrong: a minor is a "protected person", therefore
his/her name does not need to be made public
the sentence is limited to a 2 year ban and may be reduced to a reprimand [not sure it's true but that's what I read everywhere]
 
Alex Fedorov said:
"I’m not going to comment on all sorts of speculation that I have also seen. We had a situation arise yesterday at short notice that has legal implications. I'm not going to comment on a legal case because it wouldn't be appropriate," Adams stressed adding that "potential doping case is complete speculation.".
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Maybe, who knows? On the other hand there's no smoke without fire, who knows?
Anyway he can't say anything else on behalf of IOC if a decision has not been made yet.
 
Considering Valieva, a minor, is currently in the spotlight, I would expect the officials to clearly state that it's not her if she was really innocent, in order to protect her. But he did not deny that it was about her even though that is the Nr 1 rumor right now. Very bad crisis PR.
 
Fanof said:
Are you sure? What I have understood, but I may be wrong: a minor is a "protected person", therefore
his/her name does not need to be made public
the sentence is limited to a 2 year ban and may be reduced to a reprimand [not sure it's true but that's what I read everywhere]
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I have heard it both ways, being under 16 it protects a person from any punishment and that it protects them only from severe punishment. Now what the question would be what is the definition of severe is it anything more than probation or is it a career killing suspension?

This does make me say that next season the age limit has to be raised to 16, if an athlete is deemed to young to be held accountable for potential doping violations then they should not be competing in the senior circuit.

Regarding the current situation: the athlete involved should be afforded the same process as any other athlete positive test. Whether that means an automatic disqualification or compete through the appeals process.
 
A little more about trimetazidine:

"Dr Sadiya Khan, a cardiologist and assistant professor at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, told Reuters news agency that in theory trimetazidine might be used in a healthy person to enhance blood flow above and beyond normal levels.

“The idea behind it would be, potentially, if you enhance blood flow, you could improve somebody’s ability to exercise longer or exercise more efficiently by allowing the heart to respond super-normally,” she said.

But she said it is not clear if the drug offers any performance-enhancing benefit.

“There’s a theoretical benefit,” she said. “There’s no strong evidence that it does make a difference.”
 
I’m trying to confirm something I read today… that if there was an actual medical need it wouldn’t be considered doping. But here’s the catch… in that case the athlete, or in the case of a minor whoever responsible … coaches or parents…would have filed forms for medical use which if approved would make this a non-issue. So perhaps the delay may be due to whether this was done or not…and the challenge of getting the appropriate paperwork presented.
 
mrrice said:
Is there a way to test her for how long she's been using this substance? Europeans was not that long ago and this certainly calls into question the title she won there. Poor Girl.
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First you need to prove that she was taking some illegal drug. So far, there is no evidence of this. And there is no official confirmation. And I don't understand why you (and other people) not only talk about it as an established fact, but draw further conclusions from what may turn out to be fiction.

Let me remind you that out of 43 Russian athletes accused by WADA of doping after the Sochi Olympics, 28 were fully acquitted, and only three received a complete disqualification. Of the 11 medals that WADA then tried to take away from Russia, 9 were returned back. It follows that even WADA's loud statements often turn out to be false. And in this case, there are no such statements.
 
drivingmissdaisy said:
A little more about trimetazidine:

"Dr Sadiya Khan, a cardiologist and assistant professor at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, told Reuters news agency that in theory trimetazidine might be used in a healthy person to enhance blood flow above and beyond normal levels.

“The idea behind it would be, potentially, if you enhance blood flow, you could improve somebody’s ability to exercise longer or exercise more efficiently by allowing the heart to respond super-normally,” she said.

But she said it is not clear if the drug offers any performance-enhancing benefit.

“There’s a theoretical benefit,” she said. “There’s no strong evidence that it does make a difference.”
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Whether its performance enhancing or not is irrelevant, if an athlete tests positive for a banned substance as is rumored here, there's a problem.
 
Alex Fedorov said:
First you need to prove that she was taking some illegal drug. So far, there is no evidence of this. And there is no official confirmation. And I don't understand why you (and other people) say not only talk about it as an established fact, but draw further conclusions from what may turn out to be fiction.

Let me remind you that out of 43 Russian athletes accused by WADA of doping after the Sochi Olympics, 28 were fully acquitted, and only three received a complete disqualification. Of the 11 medals that WADA then tried to take away from Russia, 9 were returned back. It follows that even WADA's loud statements often turn out to be false. And in this case, there are no such statements.
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I agree. This is why I find this so upsetting. Like it or not, Kamila and her picture is the one being dragged through the coals, at least in the American Press. Stories like this are all over the papers today and the talk shows are speaking about it as well. https://sports.yahoo.com/russian-do...olympics-teetering-on-the-edge-062431232.html
 
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