She's gained more instagram followers from this scandal than she got from doing the team event. The video of her SP she has as her first post has received something like 500-600k views in the past 36 hours or so. If I was a conspiracy theorist I would think this was planned.I understand, but I think I am saying something different. On Sunday, I would have given you $1000 if you walked up and down the streets of Bethlehem, PA to find anyone who knew the name Kamila Valieva. I would have kept my $1000. By the time of the ladies' comp, maybe you might have found someone, but not before then.
This news is all that anyone knows about her now.
Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups
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People have been fighting unjust rules forever. This is one place where the “rules” should be looked at. People allow their livelihoods to be dictated by faceless bureaucrats and have this reverence they don’t deserve.
The Athletes facing consequences is the biggest injustice of all, in my opinion.
Athletes have to go underground because of these rules. These drugs being on some arbitrary list isn’t much of a deterrent.
I hope it is something as simple as someone not filing the correct paperwork*, but everything I have heard about the substance she tested positive for is that if a 15 year old needed it for legitimate medical reasons she wouldn't be capable of being an elite level athlete.
*Or any other stupid mistake (tainted vitamin, the migraine medicine thing that's being floated out, did she accidentally take grandma's meds one day, etc)
Well her stable of athletes has certainly grown and become more and more talented and this may cause her to lose some skaters because regardless of what comes out there will likely be a cloud of suspicion over her skaters. But the bolded statement frankly hurts Valieva in this situation, as that gives some level of reasonable doubt that this was sanctioned/administered by her coaching team considering that Eteri has had the top skaters for years and they've been tested on the international level for years and this is the first time we've heard about 1 of her athletes testing positive for something - which would put this on Valieva and/or her parents. Everyone knows how competitive the ladies field is in Russia and how lucrative success can be, is it really a far-fetched idea that a parent or athlete would seek an advantage over the internal field?
They stripped 4 medals at Sotchi, the rest was given back as there was not enough proof for doping (not systematic doping from the state russia, but the indivdual athletes).
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However, a lot of those followers could be "Hate followers", it's really bizarre to me, but apparently a lot of people on Insta - at least as far as I can see - actually follow celebrities/sportspeople/politicians they don't like so that when they post something they can comment how much the person sucks.
How many of these new followers are there just so they can pile on if/when the decision comes through? I'm sure Kamila wouldn't want such followers.
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Good for her. Make that money Kamila. GOAT athletes should make GOAT money.
Go get some of that ill gotten WADA money while you’re at it. Haha
I disagree that there has never been suspicion of doping at ET camp.
After Anna’s miraculous recovery from the SP at Russian Nationals a lot of people had suspicions
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Immediately after the victory, Kamil was written on the front page of the WSJ (and not only there). The Russian figure skater made headlines, which is actually unusual for this media. So when the scandal broke, the number of Americans who knew who she was was already quite significant. It also makes me think of a conspiracy...
Yeah that actually is a very popular thing. Why I have absolutely no clue but it is. People don't have better things to do with their time? Like if I hated someone I would want to avoid their face or hearing things they say at all cost not actively follow them
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Floating another reason for the seemingly-egregious time gap between December's test and the present: K & co. were well aware of the results, but submitted a cascade of appeals in the hopes that final arbitration might be drawn out beyond the Olympics (possibly even banking on pressuring the committee to back down, knowing how devastated the global figure skating community would be if deprived of Kamila's performance at the same? Who can say?). In any event, whether the delay is due to a repeal process (that for whatever reason was not made public) or un-faxed doctor's orders that weren't submitted in time, I suspect bureaucracy vs. conspiracy is to blame for the wait -- the former is often even more destructive than anything the latter can dream up.
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The Therapeutic Use Exemption process (TUE) is seen as generally fair but can require a significant amount of documentation and paperwork because many of those drugs are definitely know to enhance performance,. (I've heard of athletes with well-documented Crohn's Disease, a pretty horrible digestive system disorder, having a TUE for short term steroid use because it is seen as best treatment when the disease flares up) And you apparently must re-certify a TUE at regular intervals to verify you still have the condition it would treat.
One thing that caught my eye in the old thread was a Russian social media post that used 'microdose'. It would be useful to know if this was translated correctly because it has a specific meaning in English language anti-doping, which is a doctor and pharmacist figuring out the small doses of a substance that are just enough to give a small performance improvement but will clear the system quickly and not show up in testing. It is why Alberto Salazar is banned from coaching runners again even though his athletes were generally very good about passing drug tests.
My husband has CNN on in the background and they were just discussing the case. The narrative is that while the rules must be rules, there is also much sympathy for Kamilla. The Nassar/Karolyi scandal is still pretty raw among those who cover the Olympic movement and there is sensitivity about how girls can be misused by a sporting system.
One thing that caught my eye in the old thread was a Russian social media post that used 'microdose'. It would be useful to know if this was translated correctly because it has a specific meaning in English language anti-doping, which is a doctor and pharmacist figuring out the small doses of a substance that are just enough to give a small performance improvement but will clear the system quickly and not show up in testing. It is why Alberto Salazar is banned from coaching runners again even though his athletes were generally very good about passing drug tests.
My husband has CNN on in the background and they were just discussing the case. The narrative is that while the rules must be rules, there is also much sympathy for Kamilla. The Nassar/Karolyi scandal is still pretty raw among those who cover the Olympic movement and there is sensitivity about how girls can be misused by a sporting system.
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If this is true and no action (or a slap on the wrist) is what occurs here is my position.
The IOC and anyone endorsing said inaction is not just complicit in child abuse, but are now guilty of openly endorsing it as a legitimate course for athletic success. There is a special place in hell for such people.
The IOC and anyone endorsing said inaction is not just complicit in child abuse, but are now guilty of openly endorsing it as a legitimate course for athletic success. There is a special place in hell for such people.
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you spelled it wrong. Replace "lot of people" with "lot of haters"
I'm withholding my thoughts until we get official news, because all of this doesn't make any sense. Especially the timing. Like why release this a couple months later and during the Olympics? In an Olympic season, shouldn't they want all results back to confirm that all athletes are clean before giving them the ok to compete? If its confirmed that she was though, that would be so unfortunate because she clearly didn't need any enhancements to comfortably win, and says alot about her coaching team.
Well like everyone else in here I've heard all the rumored crap about Trusova's father but I've never heard a single thing about anyone in Valieva's family so I can't say anything about that. Of course I haven't been following much since last year's world's so
Nah…my way works better
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Thanks RT tv.
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Kamila didn’t get those drugs on her own, I’m sure, which means that somebody here essentially drugged a minor, which in most places is a criminal offense.
A grown athlete or his/her coach cheating is one thing. The minor element of this makes it much worse IMO. If a coach was involved they should be banned. If a doctor was involved their license should be stripped. Any adult might face jail time, at least in some countries. And yes Kamila’s medal should be stripped because regardless of whether she has any personal blame whatsoever nobody should benefit from drugging a minor, including the minor. I would not ban her though, as she is likely the least to blame.
A grown athlete or his/her coach cheating is one thing. The minor element of this makes it much worse IMO. If a coach was involved they should be banned. If a doctor was involved their license should be stripped. Any adult might face jail time, at least in some countries. And yes Kamila’s medal should be stripped because regardless of whether she has any personal blame whatsoever nobody should benefit from drugging a minor, including the minor. I would not ban her though, as she is likely the least to blame.
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I don't agree with anything you say whatsoever but even accepting your premise that the essence of sport is is winning, as others have said and you have agreed with, the vast majority if not all of the banned substances can be very very dangerous when you don't need them (and indeed even if you do but in those cases the benefits of the substances would outweigh the risks). The substance in question in this case (assuming the media is correct) has many risks some of which are long term. It's not something for a healthy child or teen to take.
I suppose that an argument could be made to abolish the anti doping rules and those athletes that want to risk their long term health could do so. Again, I do not agree with this or with you whatsoever. But the argument could be made.
But I think athletes who are minor children are not qualified to make that decision and should be protected from others making that decision for them. Simply put I do not believe anyone should be allowed to drug up a 15 year old, with or without their or their parents knowledge and permission, unless the 15 year old is actually very sick. Minors should be protected from those who want to abuse their bodies and who don't actually have the minor's best interest and health in mind, but instead only have this idea that the essence of sports is winning and that they will do whatever necessary, even drug a child, to achieve it.
Separately I really have to say that if she was being given these substances it is really tragic and unbelievable. She didn't actually need them to win, so I'm not sure what was trying to be accomplished. Winning by 30 points instead of 20?
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My opinion - i don't see a rational reason why this thread is open at all, because all i can see is people projecting theirs inner hate, and nothing clever over it. And i believe every other psychologist will say the same... The important thing in this or every other similar situation is to examine the process of an athlete having a contact with an 'illegal substance'. Because there is a difference between a plaining doping, and taking some substance at one point of time. I mean, nobody have a right to call me a junky, or a doper if i try a weed in my life? As i can't see how an athlete can 'dope' with trimetazidine, but some medical professionals here maybe can change my mind in another direction?
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