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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

So there have been claims made that Valieva's tests are clean from before and after the positive sample on December 25. But if it took about 6-7 weeks for the Stockholm lab to get the results of the positive sample, how do we know if any samples taken after December 25 are indeed negative? Wouldn't it take just as long? And on the flipside, if they do have proof of negative test results from samples taken after December 25th, how did those get analyzed so fast compared to the positive sample? EEHHhh... my head is swirly.

The explanation that has been given behind the delay in the December 25th test being processed is that the Stockholm lab had a covid outbreak within the lab. The tests taken in Estonia and in Beijing were likely processed in those countries.
 
ht so, too, as a parent it would be better to just pull her out of this mess, because she just can't win at this point. On the other hand, she is just one competition away from becoming an Olympic gold medalist with all the benefits she gets in her home country. If she wins, she could even retire in a few days and leave all the hard training behind. And I think the Russians never had a problem with Sotnikova winning. So I can kind of understand why they keep her in the competition.

If that's their reasoning, then they really have lost all perspective.

The reason Zagitova benefits from being an Olympic gold medalist is that she can act as an ambassador to her nation. It’s like China's "Panda Diplomacy"...or in Zagitova's case, "Akita Dog Diplomacy".

As it stands now, what country would want to associate with Valieva? Or what company? On this path, she is on her way to becoming figure skating's Barry Bonds, a walking human asterisk. That's the most tragic thing about carrying on: the battle is already lost. It would be the mother of all pyrrhic victories.

And that's if she wins. Her recent practices give me little confidence that she can even medal now, let alone win.
 
It is not hard for me to believe Gleb that Diana is not comfortable being interviewed in English.
For one thing, in response to Brennan, Diana ultimately managed to say only, "I'm happy."
Diana did not manage to express a more complete thought along the lines of, "I'm happy with how we skated today," or "I'm happy to be at the Olympics."
(Surely Diana did not mean that she is happy that a cloud is hanging over her mother and Valieva.)

For another thing, in my capacity as a volunteer at JGP Lake Placid, I had a brief interaction myself with Diana and Gleb (nothing like an interview at all).
I asked Diana a friendly question in English (a relatively simple question, IMO), but she did not attempt to respond.
IIRC, I tried asking a second time (again with a smile and a friendly tone), and she still did not respond.
Gleb was nearby, and he calmly/politely stepped in to give me the piece of information that I was requesting.
I got the impression that it is their modus operandi for him to speak in English on behalf of the partnership.
Thank you for this info. Still it is hard for me not to notice that "not attempting" to answer a friendly question, even asked in a foreign language, if not explained by her hearing problem seems pretty rude in itself on the part of this young lady... You can always afford a smile and a "I don't speak English" kind of explanation, even in your native tonque at least...
 
Yes, on the deflection. Old school journalistic instincts say if someone appears to be dishonest you push harder. This is not about manners--they're going for the story which they think is in the public interest. Whether we like Christine or not is beside the point.

Christine might be motivated by getting the big story, but she has also been around for a long time and can see the big picture
which some posters in this thread are missing, that there's a potential to save young girls from being doped and harmed if her and
her kind do their job well in this precious time window.
 
Not seen the precedents but even if it was an accidental ingestion, she still took a banned substance. This isn't just about what's 'fair' to the involved athlete but all of the athletes; substances are banned for a reason. And from where I'm sitting it makes sense to keep suspensions/lost medals part of even accidents because it deters people from trying to dope and maneuvering it as being a "accident"
Snipped for focus....

Exactly.
I'm also not sure how anyone ingests an angina drug by accident, let alone a 15-year-old.

In the realm of the far-fetched....
A really good comparator for this doping event is the stuff that went down before the summer Olympics, involving Shelby Houlihan, a track athlete. She claimed the banned substance was in the offal of an uncastrated wild boar she accidentally ingested while eating a beef burrito at a popular Portland food truck.

Anyway, there is some very relevant material from the Houlihan case, about how the sampling works, appeals process, how doping athletes periodize their intake so as to avoid detection, CAS, etc.
Also, consider the related (maybe) case where Alberto Salazar has a long ban for his role in providing banned substances to his runners. In other words, he's banned as a coach. This might end up having some relevance to the Eteri situation.

This saga went on all last summer. Here's an article that's not behind a paywall, if you'd like to start into it:
 
As for Brennan, this is how she "interviewed" Diana:

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Gleb was a true hero, I wouldn't have been that patient.
What the ...

That's appalling! How dare she! My response to that would have to be censored in multiple countries as it would have included hand gestures.

There's been a journalist who asks the hard questions and there's this.

Did she post this on her Twitter like she's proud of it?
 
Christine might be motivated by getting the big story, but she has also been around for a long time and can see the big picture
which some posters in this thread are missing, that there's a potential to save young girls from being doped and harmed if her and
her kind do their job well in this precious time window.
Also, isn't just more than a remote possibility, that the skaters themselves are aware of the doping and that the Sambo-70 doping is widespread (See Shabotova link below). if so, Kamila, and possibly the other Eteri skaters are culpable, and should be properly suspended. Are these girls abused? Yes. Would they be knowingly breaking WADA rules? Yes

 
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Also, isn't just more than a remote possibility, that the skaters themselves are aware of the doping and that the Sambo-70 doping is widespread (See Shabotova link below). if so, Kamila, and possibly the other Eteri skaters are culpable, and should be properly banned. Are these girls abused? Yes. Would they be knowingly breaking WADA rules? Yes


if it is true, I would definitely give the minors the benefit of the doubt that they can't really grasp what
they are doing, especially growing in an environment that tells them it's done everywhere and justifies it.
 
In any case, even if Kamila accidentally took that pill and there is no punishment, Sasha is the Russian champion, and Anya - European, right? Just because of the presence of the banned substance, Kamila's blood
 
Yes, it does, and that's why the support thread needs a lot more posts. To be fair, it's much newer than this one but let's hope it keeps growing.

Just to be clear, my compassion is all for Kami. As for the adults around her....NYET.
I don't think it's fair to compare the number of posts on this thread with the number on the support thread. Many people have multiple posts on this thread (some have very many posts), where I expect most posters to post only once on the support thread.
 
if it is true, I would definitely give the minors the benefit of the doubt that they can't really grasp what
they are doing, especially growing in an environment that tells them it's done everywhere and justifies it.
Yes, you're correct. I should have said properly suspended, not.baned. I will change.
 
In any case, even if Kamila accidentally took that pill and there is no punishment, Sasha is the Russian champion, and Anya - European, right? Just because of the presence of the banned substance, Kamila's blood

I would imagine so, but that would depend on how international doping rules affect national events,
Someone who understands that stuff should answer here, as RUSADA's actions were indeed a surprise to me.
 
And I just can't help myself but to add one more thing.
This "Whaaaat she doesn't speak English?? So 0 English?? Can't she even say one word??" bullsh*t is that typical small minded, narrow world view attitude where an anglophone person believes everyone on this planet has to speak their language.
Thinking this is her moment to make herself feel superior and smart when all she actually does is embarrass herself.
They should have asked her if she spoke Russian, or any other language apart from her own simplistic mother tongue for that matter.

Sorry and rant over.
It would indeed be startling if Davis didn't speak English. Definitely worthy of mention. This has nothing to do with anglophone-ism. Some knowledge of English is to be expected when one has a native English speaking parent and lives and trains in the US. Something as simple as having a license to drive a car to an ice rink would require some English.

Brennan is doing her job. She's a journalist. It's neither small-minded nor BS to ask the obvious.
 
In any case, even if Kamila accidentally took that pill and there is no punishment, Sasha is the Russian champion, and Anya - European, right? Just because of the presence of the banned substance, Kamila's blood
I would expect so. But with Rusfed you never know and with RUSADA acquitting Kamila, they might stick with that in the context of the RusNats title
 
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