Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[Jontor]

I'm not spiritual whatsoever but to whatever higher powers there are, give this girl strength.
To all the vultures on here, can you even IMAGINE with what kind of a mental state Kamila is going into this event?
She has no freaking advantage anymore, even if she was given some substance to let her train 1h longer before December, this whole spectacle has put her at an enormous mental and I'm willing to bet successive physical disadvantage. While her competitors were preparing, she had to deal with this, up to the point of having to attend a court hearing during the night before her skate?! Lipnitskaya at 15yo broke under intense positive media attention back in Sochi. Kamila has had double that attention but the negative, verbal harassment, hatred from all over the world, kind.

If for some reason she manages to perform well and not crumble mentally, give her the damn Gold Medal just for that.

Very well said

 

[Plisskin]

Wakaba Higuchi liked this tweet:

https://twitter.com/seimeiseb/status/1493115787237904385?t=Ehbo2WPkvDTiLzlIEnUFHg&s=19

I think we will be seeing alot more reactions like this in the coming day.

 

[Alex Fedorov]

What's the last time you felt surprised about something before now?

to be honest, I don't remember. Maybe when one day I came home from the supermarket and found women's high-heeled shoes at the bottom of a plastic bag of groceries. I still don't know how they got there or who they belonged to. Only that was a long time ago.

 

[Sjs5572]

there is no evidence Kamila is being doped.

Haha. She had a freakin' positive doping test.

 

[brakes]

Respect to Anya and Sasha for taking up this unfair, uneven fight.

Good luck, girls!

 

[Mirunna]

Peolple’s emotions are running high but once again from a legal standpont the rationale behind the statement makes sense. It is not over: there was NO rationale on the merits of the case - i.e., the dopping issue. They simply rulled that the suspending her now considering everything (that she is clean in Beijing, that the results took too long and that she is unable to defens herself in time before the ladies event) is not appropiate. This means that they have too little information now to take sanction her at this point and an investigation is pending. Of course that allowing her to skate and then tale away her medal is the worst scenario, but what else can they do? They would not risk not allowing her to skate and then her proving to be innocent. This would be a disaster for all parties involved because she is still a gold medal favorite.
And I am writing this despite losing my interest in this discipline once the Eteri dominance started and is heartbroken for Liza not making the team, but I am trying to use logic and perspective on this.

 

[Mista Ekko]

As I read there will be an investigation and they will ask the girls, you'll be surprised by their answers. Russian culture is different from us on how you term abuse.

Not the best idea though, there are interviews with Nadia Comaneci as she was training and then
when she was older and those are two very different descriptions and states of mind of what she's been through
and how it effected her long term.

 

[skated011]

This ruling did not throw out the drug test.

She tested positive. That IS evidence.

You may have evidence that she isn't on any drugs THIS EXACT SECOND, but that is irrelevant to the question. The rules are not "you can dope.... just not during competitions.".

exactly calling her right now as doped nationally or even doped is wrong when there hasn't even been an investigation. Jumping to conclusions always fail look at how many thought the verdict was from CAS. STOP MAKING CONSPIRACIES, SOECULATIONS and ASSUMPTIONS

 

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Did Biles really not take the ADHD drug ? I read in Russian forums it was the reason she had a break and decided to withdraw.

There was a delay as Japanese customs did not allow her stuff to enter the country.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Tell this to the US fans of Ms. Biles who could not perform without strong drugs. Or fans of Norwegian "asthmatics"

Man you are desperate if that is all you can come up with. This ruling is crooked.

Someone taking a drug they got prior approval for that is often taken by people with ADHD at every age.

vs

A 15 year old taking a drug meant for elderly heart patient that she never got approval for.

No... you are right exactly the same.

 

[Sjs5572]

Anna might had a bad day or injured again, she was injured at rus nats and was just recovering in euros.

Probably from the 12 hour training days that Eteri forces her to do even while injured.

 

[prorussian fan]

I remain confused. I thought it was confirmed that she tested positive in December. If those results had been processed promptly, she wouldn't have been eligible to compete in the Olympics. Right? Or would this protected person rule, or some other loophole, spared her, anyway?

That's when I realize that people don't read. She did NOT know until 5 days ago that her December sample came back positive. Of course if I had known this before the Olympic Games, RUSADA and Russia in general would not have allowed her to attend this event.

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

Kamila deserves her Olympic moment, and the adults around her owe it to her to keep her protected from the media frenzy that is about to ensue. She is everything you could wish for in Women’s skating and we shouldn’t easily forget that. She would have dominated this sport regardless of coach, country or PEDs taken. I would like to give her the benefit of the doubt. I do think it is very possible that the drug ended up in her system without her knowledge. We all know the team have the girls taking ‘vitamins’, and I’m sure Eteri herself once mentioned administering these via an IV drip. That would suggest to me that they do as they are instructed to by their team doctor (banned once already for doping) and don’t question it. Following the Olympics, there should rightly be a full investigation into her team, especially the team doctor, and updated protocol on testing in the sport.

 

[Wafflecakes]

exactly calling her right now as doped nationally or even doped us wrong when there hasn't even been an investigation. Jping to conclusions always fail look at how many thought the verdict will be from CAS. STIP MAKING CONSPIRACIES, SOECULATIONS and ASSUMPTIONS

Who is claiming that she is doping now? Point them out please.

Once again. Whether she is doping now is not relevant to whether she should have been suspended. You are not allowed to ever dope, and she failed at that.

Investigate what exactly? She failed a drug test. Investigating doping is why those tests exist.

 

[Jontor]

Respect to Anya and Sasha for taking up this unfair, uneven fight.

Good luck, girls!

Surely Anna and Sasha are affected negatively of this situation too. I feel for all the Russian girls going out tomorrow.

 

[skated011]

There was a delay as Japanese customs did not allow her stuff to enter the country.

so Biles ADHD Drugs really didn't reach Japan ? I thought this was just a rumor, they said she was able to take it anyways.

 

[SNAKSuyun]

Peolple’s emotions are running high but once again from a legal standpont the rationale behind the statement makes sense. It is not over: there was NO rationale on the merits of the case - i.e., the dopping issue. They simply rulled that the suspending her now considering everything (that she is clean in Beijing, that the results took too long and that she is unable to defens herself in time before the ladies event) is not appropiate. This means that they have too little information now to take sanction her at this point and an investigation is pending. Of course that allowing her to skate and then tale away her medal is the worst scenario, but what else can they do? They would not risk not allowing her to skate and then her proving to be innocent. This would be a disaster for all parties involved because she is still a gold medal favorite.
And I am writing this despite losing my interest in this discipline once the Eteri dominance started and is heartbroken for Liza not making the team, but I am trying to use logic and perspective on this.

I think the issue is, you could find a legal rationale for the opposite decision as well, especially if you cite the harms that would be caused to the clean athletes who would have to compete against Kamila in the same competition. So that makes me think they believe there's a higher chance of her being proven innocent, or they're more fearful of the backlash for that case vs. the backlash that they're receiving now. Which, considering everything we know, is sad (and frankly rather horrifying) in a different way.

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

I remain confused. I thought it was confirmed that she tested positive in December. If those results had been processed promptly, she wouldn't have been eligible to compete in the Olympics. Right? Or would this protected person rule, or some other loophole, spared her, anyway?

It’s almost like they’re saying because she’s already there and no alternate would be allowed to replace her just let her skate.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Kamila deserves her Olympic moment, and the adults around her owe it to her to keep her protected from the media frenzy that is about to ensue. She is everything you could wish for in Women’s skating and we shouldn’t easily forget that. She would have dominated this sport regardless of coach, country or PEDs taken. I would like to give her the benefit of the doubt. I do think it is very possible that the drug ended up in her system without her knowledge. We all know the team have the girls taking ‘vitamins’ and I’m sure Eteri herself once mentioned administering these via an IV drip. That would suggest to me that they do as they are instructed to by their team doctor (banned once already for doping) and don’t question it. Following the Olympics, there should rightly be a full investigation into her team, especially the team doctor, and updated protocol on testing in the sport.

The adults that likely put her in this situation to begin with?

The path CAS took means nothing will happen. There will be no meaningful investigation. There will be more change.

More minors will be abused.

 

[Alex Fedorov]

I wonder how Brennan feels? Still, so much effort, did not wash for several days, slept in clothes. And the result is an extremely insightful anti-doping interview with Diana Davis.