Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[anonymoose_au]

Yes I got that I'm just wondering why he wouldn't specify which person or organisation had it
during that period of time, or does he not know who they gave it to...?

Good point, because if it was RUSADA's courier they've got explaining to do.

Along with the revelation they apparently forgot to mark it as urgent.

 

[RatedPG]

So it was handed to someone on the 25, we don't know who this is or which organisation he's with,
and then only reached the lab 3 weeks later, I wonder how typical that is?

Everyone's focused on the lab taking too long, but they were fine with times.

To me, it sounds like it is a requirement for the lab to give out results within 20 days of receipt of the sample. If the lab received the sample on the 19th, did they not give out the result on the 8th? That is the 20th day. So, the lab fulfilled their obligation. I’m confused

 

[anonymoose_au]

By the way, doping expert Hajo Seppelt, who has largely contributed to the disclosure of systematic doping in Russia, considers the CAS decision to be correct.

Does he say why?

Like if 20 days is too long what's the deal with testing samples from a decade ago? Like who knows what shenanigans could have gone on in 10 years?

 

[Mista Ekko]

Good point, because if it was RUSADA's courier they've got explaining to do.

Along with the revelation they apparently forgot to mark it as urgent.

This is conspiratorial thinking so I apologise, but I do wonder now wether RUSADA had an interest
in mishandling\delaying the test results, because it sure doesn't seem like they were trying to get that thing back.

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

I understand the frustration with the decision, but I don't think there is any evidence yet that the CAS judgement wasn't right by the rules. With the limited information available I find it difficult to form my own opinion upon the decision, but somewhat I can understand the reasoning and they have to apply the existing rules. Being no expert I still don't know the rules for protected athletes but I could imagine that they favor the athlete more than some would imagine or some would find good regarding the fight against the doping. But the CAS would still have to judge accoriding to these rules.

What I don't understand are the many negative comments towards the IOC on social media and news. I mean the organisation is money-minded and corrupt like non else but the decision to suspend Kamila wasn't in their hands. They did everything possible to reinstate the suspension.

And what I don't understand is the request to raise the age limit. I still haven't read any good argument how this would improve the condition for junior skaters at all. Something must happen, but other steps are much more needed. Only raising the age requirements will delay the much needed change for many years.

There is no difference between an adult or minor athlete in this situation. There is no reason that a minor should be given the benefit of the doubt whereas an adult would not when it is just as likely that the minor could have doped when adults benefit from their success (which they absolutely do).

If there are rules that give the benefit of the doubt to minors then I think that would definitely be a reason to raise the age limit, as it is inherently unfair to the adult competitors. If you are old enough to compete with adults then you are old enough to be treated like one.

 

[Fanof]

Wondering whether there will be a medal ceremony if KV finishes 1st, 2nd or 3rd. If the team event medal ceremony was postponed indefinitely, why would there be a medal ceremony for the ladies event?

 

[Mista Ekko]

To me, it sounds like it is a requirement for the lab to give out results within 20 days of receipt of the sample. If the lab received the sample on the 19th, did they not give out the result on the 8th? That is the 20th day. So, the lab fulfilled their obligation. I’m confused

The lab was fine, even though they had Covid related issues, they met their deadline.

 

[gravy]

What I dont get is why RUSADA dont just switch the sample if what they want is just for her not to get positive test ? I mean it s not like they are known for their integrity

MTE. But not all Russians are evil!

But also, why the hell would CAS not see this as a conflict of interest. RUSADA "mistakenly" didn't label her sample as a priority, and is now claiming that the sample wasn't analyzed fast enough?

 

[norwegianfairytale]

It's a quote from the head of the Russian Olympic Committee in an interview. Here's a translation:

“In accordance with WADA international standards for accredited anti-doping laboratories, this result should have been uploaded to the system within 20 days after receipt by the laboratory. Even if we take 20 days, this is the maximum period, it turns out that the sample was delivered to the Stockholm laboratory on January 19 , and handed over on December 25. That is, for almost a month she was walking somewhere, "Pozdnyakov said in an interview with the Sunday Time program on Channel One."

Ok, this is indeed very shady. 4 weeks to deliver? I mean you can always put the blame on Christmas holiday but it should not take 4 weeks. I wonder if someone didn´t have a rush with getting those samples to the lab...

But this would explain very well why the samples of Euros was analyzed before if the same lab took them, as the sample from Russia did arrive after Euros was done

 

[RatedPG]

This is conspiratorial thinking so I apologise, but I do wonder now wether RUSADA had an interest
in mishandling\delaying the test results, because it sure doesn't seem like they were trying to get that thing back.

I know. I would pay the courier to go to Mexico and chill for three weeks and then deliver the sample, as a loophole.

 

[RatedPG]

Ok, this is indeed very shady. 4 weeks to deliver? I mean you can always put the blame on Christmas holiday but it should not take 4 weeks. I wonder if someone didn´t have a rush with getting those samples to the lab...

But this would explain very well why the samples of Euros was analyzed before if the same lab took them, as the sample from Russia did arrive after Euros was done

The samples from Europe and even the sample from the Olympics (China is fast) seem to have yielded faster results than this 12/25 sample. I’d be curious to know who was responsible for this delay.

 

[RatedPG]

The lab was fine, even though they had Covid related issues, they met their deadline.

Exactly. Here I was thinking they received it towards the end of 2021 and then took forever. But, now I’m satisfied with the lab. I just wish it was marked as urgent, as that would have changed the situation. Now, I’m mad at the courier instead of the lab

 

[gravy]

Wait, so if that girl wins does that mean the women's medal ceremony will also be delayed??

 

[Alchamei]

Most likely Rusfed internal laboratory analyzed Kamila's urine the same day, discovered trimetazidine, hence didn't prioritize official sample hoping Swedes won't make it before Olympics. Unfortunately for them, Swedes did make it.

Why am I not suprised at all?

 

[Mista Ekko]

Exactly. Here I was thinking they received it towards the end of 2021 and then took forever. But, now I’m satisfied with the lab. I just wish it was marked as urgent, as that would have changed the situation. Now, I’m mad at the courier instead of the lab

It would've been RUSADAs job to mark it as urgent (I think, I don't know), and I can't think of a better sample to mark as urgent,
so I'm wondering why they didn't do that, and I'm also wondering about the samples from other
winners\podium finishers in that event.

 

[decafjava]

OK I am taking a break here, to much nationalist toxctiy being thrown around.

 

[RatedPG]

It would've been RUSADAs job to mark it as urgent (I think, I don't know), and I can't think of a better sample to mark as urgent,
so I'm wondering why they didn't do that, and I'm also wondering about the samples from other
winners\podium finishers in that event.

Yup. All good questions to ask and to get to the bottom of.

 

[Scott512]

They better take away her medal once the investigation is complete, or this sport will actually be a joke.

The ioc rules are a minor athlete who failed a doping test are not subject to the penalties of an adult athlete who failed a doping test. To me that means they will not punish her with a suspension or remove a mdtal because she's not considered an adult athlete to face adult penalties like a suspension or a removal of a
medal. These are their own rules to protect someone under aged like Valieva.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

After this case btw, it´s no doubt the should raise the age minimum for seniors... Age was a huge factor in this case.

 

[Mista Ekko]

After this case btw, it´s no doubt the should raise the age minimum for seniors... Age was a huge factor in this case.

It's what they open the reasoning for their decision with.