Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[Ganya]

Pozdnyakov interview

I don't know how to authenticate this,
But it's very strange that everyone's been avoiding talking about those dates.

The moment the interview was released it was clear it will become a 'lost in translation' case. He was sort of speculating about the arrival date based on the Feb7 notification and the likely 20 days' period that must have preceded it. With several Russian speaking people here, strange no one commented on this.

 

[Mathman]

Taking into account everything we know and don't know, I think the decision of the CAS is the best. It will satisfy no one, but the same can be said of any alternative that they might have come up with.

Sports have rules. Athletes must agree to follow the rules as a condition of participation. Governing bodies must enforce the rules.

But rules are made for people, not people for rules. There is a reason why courts have human judges rather than robots or computers. No set of laws can be so complete as to anticipate every possible human situation or circumstance.

The most interesting piece of the drama, to me, is whether Valieva will come out with nerves of steel and skate well in spite of everything. Good on her if she does, whatever happens down the road.

 

[mskater93]

there is no evidence Kamila is being doped.

Except the positive drug test from Dec 25

 

[mskater93]

I don't have details of Jessica's case but it seems that she hasn't understood the matter either. They did not resolve in a week that Kamila is innocent, they decided that under the WADA laws there were not enough reasons to eliminate her from the Olympic Games. The cases are not even compared.

Jessica is upset because she received an immediate suspension right before Worlds and was not allowed to skate. She did not get the benefit of the doubt

 

[Mista Ekko]

Taking into account everything we know and don't know, I think the decision of the CAS is the best. It will satisfy no one, but the same can be said of any alternative that they might have come up with.

I think it's spelled "indecision of the CAS "

 

[mskater93]

her results at euros, Olympics are negative

It's not best 2 out of 3

 

[Mista Ekko]

Jessica is upset because she received an immediate suspension right before Worlds and was not allowed to skate. She did not get the benefit of the doubt

She should've been a minor
everyone told her, but she was stubborn.

 

[Scott512]

Sorry, but I found that clip kind of disturbing. While I hold out hope that Kamila will be shown(perhaps through testing her hair) to be innocent(or at least not chronically using TMZ), there's a not insignificant chance Kamila doesn't know she ingested this banned substance yet her coach(es) know.

I really worry that she has no voices speaking with her besides her coaches and federation and she doesn't truly understand the odds stacked against her.

Here's what'd I'd do in her situation: https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/threads/kamila-valieva.72542/post-2935206

That was a very interesting read yeah it would be amazing if that happened. I also fear she does not have the right counseling around her and darn it all she doesn't even have her parents around her and she's 15 years old is caught in a worldwide controversy and who knows how much emotional damage to her short term and long term.

I really think KV does not understand and in her mind she does not take performance enhancing drugs so she thinks it's OK to compete. It's very likely that she did not intentionally ingest they ingest what would have been known as an illegal drug. I hope the person that did that is found and and suffers major penalties because he or she changed the girl's life and not for the better.

 

[Mista Ekko]

The moment the interview was released it was clear it will become a 'lost in translation' case. He was sort of speculating about the arrival date based on the Feb7 notification and the likely 20 days' period that must have preceded it. With several Russian speaking people here, strange no one commented on this.

Yeah that magazine looks shady enough for me to not linger on that right now,
but maybe a Russian speaker could google us that quote from him,
it surely appeared in other places if he gave it.

 

[Scott512]

Will the Russian figure skating federation send Kamila to the world championships or will they send her home to rest and recover from all this Olympic drama and trauma?

I hope the Russian federation does not overplay their hand play their hand here.

 

[Mista Ekko]

I hope the Russian federation does not overplay their hand play their hand here.

How do you mean?

 

[Amei]

It's not best 2 out of 3

I find it hilarious that those keep getting brought up like it erases the positive test

 

[mskater93]

I am curious that, if she is on the podium.... will they give out the medals?

It makes no sense to hold the team medals but not the ladies while this is all hashed out.

They already said no medals and no flower ceremony if she's on the podium

 

[Amei]

Will the Russian figure skating federation send Kamila to the world championships or will they send her home to rest and recover from all this Olympic drama and trauma?

I hope the Russian federation does not overplay their hand play their hand here.

I have my doubts they won't send her, based on the translations provided the involved parties look like they believe they are martyrs in this situation being victimized by the world

 

[mrrice]

Here's another article. I will never understand why the press is OK with posting this young girls picture as if she gave these drugs to herself. I'd like to see pictures of Eteri, and the "Doctor/ Doctor's" who gave Kamila these injections. THEY'RE the real villains if you ask me. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...-of-a-doping-scandal/ar-AATPAxA?ocid=msedgntp

 

[Ganya]

My heart breaks for Alysa. That poor girl has probably been robbed by cheating Russians since she was a junior.

I find it hilarious that those keep getting brought up like it erases the positive test

It doesn't erase the positive tests. Similarly, a positive test doesn't erase numerous negative tests prior to it. But of course cheating Russians have robbed that poor girl Alysa since she was a junior - test or no test.

 

[ju2de2]

They definitely should raise the age for all olympic sports to not include minors. They might know the legal repercussions of using banned substances in paper and the possible sanctions but no one could ever prepare them for the online bullying they would get regardless whether they're found guilty or not. The online community has been feasting on her as if she's a lab grown organism only because samples were found in her urine. Wherever has compassion gone and I guess the drug taught her the quads and trixels.

 

[Scott512]

How do you mean?

Give her time off to recover from the trauma of the Olympic Games and the doping controversy who knows what long term rhindifications it will have on this girl. Although I guess if kV wins the Olympics she will want to go to world certainly. I'm thinking give a couple other girls a chance. It's time to share the wealth..

 

[Mista Ekko]

They definitely should raise the age for all olympic sports to not include minors. They might know the legal repercussions of using banned substances in paper and the possible sanctions but no one could ever prepare them for the online bullying they would get regardless whether they're found guilty or not. The online community has been feasting on her as if she's a lab grown organism only because samples were found in her urine. Wherever has compassion gone and I guess the drug taught her the quads and trixels.

what online community?

 

[Mathman]

I think it's spelled "indecision of the CAS "

Still, there are worse things than putting off judgement until the frenzy cools off. Act in haste, repent at leisure.

By the way, I appreciate your level-headed and civil posts on these contentious threads.