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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

How old would Kamila have had to be to not considered a minor? It differs in many countries and not sure how the IOC considers it. Her birthday is April 26... so were she 3 months older, and 16, the decision would have been different?
 
Not necessarily. I've seen many medalists, including Russians, state that one of the proudest moment is when they get to receive the medal, see the flag go up, and hear the national anthem. Why else do people take part in Olympics if not for national glory?

Not everything boils down to individualistic, score attainment.
Not score attainment. It's the moment of knowing that you won. One is pride and the other is true joy. But sure there is a debate on what is the bigger moment. Just the drama is really laughably ridiculous I would say.
 
I'm wondering about that Romanian gymnast who had her gold medal taken away due to cold medicine...
Andreea Raducan - she is well now. Had the support of her team mates. She still says she feels that she was robbed of a deserved medal. As far as I know it was determined that the medicine did not improve her condition but still the sanction remained.
 
How old would Kamila have had to be to not considered a minor? It differs in many countries and not sure how the IOC considers it. Her birthday is April 26... so were she 3 months older, and 16, the decision would have been different?

If she was 16 she would not be skating in the individual event based on the CAS statement it was all tied to the 'protected person' status that she had being under 16
 
Not score attainment. It's the moment of knowing that you won. One is pride and the other is true joy. But sure there is a debate on what is the bigger moment. Just the drama is really laughably ridiculous I would say.
I wonder how many Russians who were stripped of their medals (43 since 2022) actually care about the indignity of having their medals stripped compared to the glory/feeling of the Olympic win and getting a medal for Russia (or any doped athlete for that matter). Like, it's "worth the risk".
 
If she was 16 she would not be skating in the individual event based on the CAS statement it was all tied to the 'protected person' status that she had being under 16

According to their statement that would be true, unless of course they just kinda
hung on to that reasoning because they really didn't wanna make this decision anyway 😶😉
 
It doesn't erase the positive tests. Similarly, a positive test doesn't erase numerous negative tests prior to it. But of course cheating Russians have robbed that poor girl Alysa since she was a junior - test or no test.
Alysa aside, one positive test kind of does call all the negative ones into question, actually - though it is not, of course, proof that she has always been doping, that simply cannot be provided. With this type of doping, you usually microdose carefully so that the drug gets flushed out of the system before the test. Because the human body isn't a perfect machine, however, this sometimes doesn't work even if you're good at predicting the timing. So her negative tests, like everybody else's negative tests, are not necessarily proof of them not doping, they could also show that the doping was done well; whereas the positive test is actually proof that she had a restricted substance in her system (unless they can somehow show that there was unwilling contamination, like the case with the make-up).

The idea that this might not have been the one and only time that doping has happened, just the one time it got caught, has to be considered, anything else would be willful blindness. However, the reality is that we'll probably never know. It's frustrating to think about, but after all, doping has gotten pretty sophisticated even outside pee-providing holes in lab walls.
 
Wow, so 45 days is the difference between "irreparable harm" as a minor and having to meet the consequences as an adult.
This is just silly. So let's have disgusting crimes passably committed on "almost 16" year olds then? These barrier numbers are never perfect but they should be respected. Kamila is a Protected Person under the existing rules simple as that.
 
Man, that mixed zone is going to be LIT tomorrow during the Ladies. I hope Team Tut is planning to be there in force to try to shield/protect their young athletes.

I also hope that competitors from all nations will be given media training to help them deal with the questions they will most certainly be asked. Kudos to Hubbell & Donohue who rose to the challenge of answering appropriately on the fly, when the news first broke.
 
Well, i expected this to happen after RUSSADA decided not to charge Kamila. I didn't expect so many hatred comments, but people need to project hate they have somewhere i guess... It's a common sense that if Russians were sure Kamila is intentionally doped, they wouldn't let her to compete, because that wouldn't change anything for them. They will still have their gold medalist and they will still have the first girl landing a quad at Oly, only her name would be different... And even if CAS decided that Kamila or someone around her broke the clean sport rules, I bet her suspension would be very short. Chinese swimmer was suspended only for 3 months, and USA swimmer only for 6 months for the same substance. The problem with the substance founded in Kamila's blood that another substance which is used for migraine can give a false positive test. And Kamila's tests were negative both at Europeans, this Olympics and during GP circuit. As i said before, some people's narrative that somebody must be guilty without a chance to prove otherwise is just beyond my look at humans nature, but i guess Freud was right after all :biggrin:
 
I would assume the judges would still mark fairly but they might tame her PCS/GOE. And she's so far ahead that even if they limit her GOE or PCS because of bias, she still has enough base value that will make up for it. They won't risk coming under fire for scoring her down severely - ironically, judges who do severely mark her down will face greater scrutiny than Valieva herself has.

As far as future scrutiny goes. Yup, literally every competition moving forward in the rest of Valieva's career will have this question mark - especially if she ultimately gets stripped of the medal she's trying to win and the one she did win.

Imagine how it must feel to compete for a medal, knowing that if you win it could get potentially get stripped, which is different from the dozens of Olympics medals in the past 20 years that her countrymen/women have had stripped from them after competing/being awarded them.
I hope none of them are too foolish, because figure skating does not need any more drama or scandals, especially at these Olympics. But I wouldn't be surprised if, even with pristine programs, she falls several points short of her current records. And if she makes mistakes, that easily provides an opening for penalization. If Hanyu can get a shockingly low (for him) PCS score in what may be his final competitive performance, I don't know that they'll be protecting Valieva after everything that has happened.
 
CAS Secretary General Matthieu Reeb said that banning the athlete based on a drugs test in December is detrimental to her future given the young age of the athlete who should be protected under current regulations. The ruling was very generous and compassonate.
 
What is everyone's feelings about Kamila deciding, on her own will, to pull out of the competition? I know there's really no way it would happen, and with her being a minor, I'm sure no one is going to put this kind of burden on her...

But Kamila can't have it both ways - she can't say "I'm a minor, I have no idea what was given to me by my coaching staff" but then turn around and say "I'm a clean athlete at these games" and spew lies about being exposed to the PED by sharing a drinking glass with her grandfather??? It's one way or the other. The former gives her plausible deniability and makes her look sympathetic. The latter makes it seem like she did know, or at the least she definitely knows now, and is willing to lie/cheat to make sure she can continue to compete.
 
Well, i expected this to happen after RUSSADA decided not to charge Kamila. I didn't expect so many hatred comments, but people need to project hate they have somewhere i guess... It's a common sense that if Russians were sure Kamila is intentionally doped, they wouldn't let her to compete, because that wouldn't change anything for them. They will still have their gold medalist and they will still have the first girl landing a quad at Oly, only her name would be different... And even if CAS decided that Kamila or someone around her broke the clean sport rules, I bet her suspension would be very short. Chinese swimmer was suspended only for 3 months, and USA swimmer only for 6 months for the same substance. The problem with the substance founded in Kamila's blood that another substance which is used for migraine can give a false positive test. And Kamila's tests were negative both at Europeans, this Olympics and during GP circuit. As i said before, some people's narrative that somebody must be guilty without a chance to prove otherwise is just beyond my look at humans nature, but i guess Freud was right after all :biggrin:

Its been said before that when an athlete tests positive for TMZ, they do check for the migraine medicine, if Valieva has been labeled a positive doping test for TMZ then its been ruled out about the migraine medicine.
 
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