Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[starlight97]

So it is officially her explanation. It's better be true, or she will be a cheater and a liar as well.

Obviously this is false and the best invented story they could come up with, how can any intelligent person possibly believe this? Capsule medication dissolves in the digestive tract, not on the lips, but let's not even get into that.
Point is - this is obviously what she had to say and was told to say in order to excuse herself without incriminating her coaches, parents and that doctor. RusFed wants her to avoid punishment but obviously not at the price of sacrificing the institution. She could never have simply stated that it was given to her by the adults in the sports system. She says what she is coached to say and we cannot blame her for that.

 

[Fanof]

Actually Puma might go as it is a global branch and they need to care for their global image too. Some things are not decided in Moscow.

That's why I mentioned Puma. I don't expect anything from the Russian brands, but I'm not sure I'm expecting anything from Puma Russia either, I don't know, but it will be interesting to know what happens with that sponsorship agreement.

 

[anonymoose_au]

There is literally 0 cases where ppl leave Eteri and have at least the same results, so I really doubt she will have a good career.

Sasha did. She did no better, but also no worse.

I did think her programs were better elsewhere.

But yeah it's unlikely now that Eteri and the Crystal team will get any flak. And that just sucks.

 

[Mafke]

Obviously this is false

I wouldn't say obviously.... and the medication in question also comes in tablet form IINM... I have my strong doubts about it but it's not the craziest story I've ever heard (and I've heard crazier that turned out to be true...).

 

[Greengemmonster]

Is Hypoxen legal?

Jackie Wong (@rockerskating) Tweeted:
Update: The Dossier Center says it received an audio recording of the CAS hearing - Valieva's grandfather takes trimetazidine for his heart problems + The Center says it found out she was also taking hypoxen to improve heart function
https://t.co/IRggNIRMPv https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/1493458304152092673?s=20&t=sL3kPa9yQtRW3AdhUi5s2g

Sasha did. She did no better, but also no worse.

I did think her programs were better elsewhere.

But yeah it's unlikely now that Eteri and the Crystal team will get any flak. And that just sucks.

Sasha seems to be the one person who kept her jumps after she left and progressed in artistry. She didn't regress in anything imo. Did lose fed love though.

 

[Amei]

Who is... how old again? Her status as an athlete is secondary to her age in terms of awareness of micro-traces of generally safe substances.

If the sport will have elite competitors who are that young and the doping rules include micro-traces of generally safe substances.... then the only truly safe solution is to have a 24 drug advisor following them around and checking what lip balm they're using (for example).....

I world suggest watching the video with Tara and Johnny's perspective both pointed out how aware they had to be of what they put in their body even when they were young

 

[Azikin]

I wouldn't say obviously.... and the medication in question also comes in tablet form IINM... I have my strong doubts about it but it's not the craziest story I've ever heard (and I've heard crazier that turned out to be true...).

So was there a less plausible story you've heard about doping that turned out to be true? I'd like to her that. I must say I'm very disappointed by this explanation. I just can't believe they expect anyone to believe that...

 

[Alchamei]

Just want to add that Oksana Baiul on her Insta is against Eteri and shared hastag cleansport. Russian fans are slaming her in the comments that she should have such success at first with her students before she can critisize.

 

[flanker]

Obviously this is false and the best invented story they could come up with, how can any intelligent person possibly believe this? Capsule medication dissolves in the digestive tract, not on the lips, but let's not even get into that.
Point is - this is obviously what she had to say and was told to say in order to excuse herself without incriminating her coaches, parents and that doctor. RusFed wants her to avoid punishment but obviously not at the price of sacrificing the institution. She could never have simply stated that it was given to her by the adults in the sports system. She says what she is coached to say and we cannot blame her for that.

It depends whether the discovery was the substace itself or her metabolite (which was how I understood it originally but I can be wrong). In the first variant it would be probably weird (though even if the pill is dissolved in the intestine doesn't mean it is not distributed into the rest of the body), in the second one it could be possible that the metabolites got into the salivas (not saying it is it, as I am no physiologist, but there are plenty of substaces that create metabolites that can be found everywhere in the body).

So while it does not have to sound convincing, there are other weird causes (like "it got into me via my partner's fluids").

 

[flanker]

Just want to add that Oksana Baiul on her Insta is against Eteri and shared hastag cleansport. Russian fans are slaming her in the comments that she should have such success at first with her students before she can critisize.

But seriously Oksana is not only long-term Eteri-hater, but she is also well known Alina hater and precisely Kamila hater with the rich history of attacks on all of them, that's why her words have little to no credit.

 

[ConfusedZamboni]

Is Hypoxen legal?

Jackie Wong (@rockerskating) Tweeted:
Update: The Dossier Center says it received an audio recording of the CAS hearing - Valieva's grandfather takes trimetazidine for his heart problems + The Center says it found out she was also taking hypoxen to improve heart function
https://t.co/IRggNIRMPv https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/1493458304152092673?s=20&t=sL3kPa9yQtRW3AdhUi5s2g

Sasha seems to be the one person who kept her jumps after she left and progressed in artistry. She didn't regress in anything imo. Did lose fed love though.

Plush is kinda shady to me with his juniors ngl. ie Veronica. Some improved far too fast. However I'm not surprised as much about Sasha because she exhibited similar qualities when younger. I wonder if both Evgenia/Sasha are the "cleanest" ones of the Eteri bunch because Gubanova has ironically remained a big Evgenia fan, and she didn't mince words when talking about the doping at Sanbo.

Neither of them had a huge jump in progress, Evgenia's skating skills had their massive weaknesses throughout her childhood (which is why her injury at Olys was so apparent + her back was so bad). She muscled her jumps (back) but still was a top-level competitor under Eteri at 19, while all the 17 year olds are wiping out now. She just seemed worse at Orser because of how long she'd let her bad habits continue.

Also those drugs don't seem to be very legal, especially for a 15 year old athlete with no heart disease.

 

[Fanof]

Is Hypoxen legal?

Jackie Wong (@rockerskating) Tweeted:
Update: The Dossier Center says it received an audio recording of the CAS hearing - Valieva's grandfather takes trimetazidine for his heart problems + The Center says it found out she was also taking hypoxen to improve heart function
https://t.co/IRggNIRMPv https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/1493458304152092673?s=20&t=sL3kPa9yQtRW3AdhUi5s2g

Sasha seems to be the one person who kept her jumps after she left and progressed in artistry. She didn't regress in anything imo. Did lose fed love though.

From a site selling it:
"Hypoxenum is used by athletes to improve physical performance, yet it is not on the WADA Prohibited List"

 

[ConfusedZamboni]

But seriously Oksana is not only long-term Eteri-hater, but she is also well known Alina hater and precisely Kamila hater with the rich history of attacks on all of them, that's why her words have little to no credit.

I was going to say, I remember her attacking Alina. She was a Evgenia fan but criticized her trying to lengthen her career. https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...u-ona-heytit-alinu-zagitovu-intervyu-1808536/
"What the fans see in front of them is completely different from what is happening behind the scenes. There is such a game ... a separate business."
She also hates Tatiana Tarasova iirc?

 

[silveruskate]

Yep, they will only protect her to a limit. If she didn't say this they would just cut her off and give her trouble. When Russia's paying for your legal fees it's not an easy situation.

If she said that she was given it by her doctor then 100% no significant fault or negligence but this story doesn't help her as it makes her sound negligent. I almost think they just want to see her compete. And then doesn't matter if she's banned for a long time for their mistakes. The medals can be stripped but Russia will always feel like "they" won.

 

[Pantsu]

14 July 2016 – USADA announced today that Kristen Shaldybin, of Highwood, Illinois, an athlete in the sport of gymnastics, has tested positive for a prohibited substance, which was determined to have been ingested by her without fault or negligence.

Shaldybin,18, tested positive for hydrochlorothiazide and its marker, 3‐chloroaniline‐4,6‐disulfonamide, as the result of an out-of-competition urine sample she provided on June 7, 2016. Hydrochlorothiazide is a Diuretic prohibited at all times under the USADA Protocol for Olympic and Paralympic Movement Testing, the United States Olympic Committee (“USOC”) National Anti-Doping Policies (“USOC NADP”), and the International Gymnastics Federation (“FIG”) Anti‐Doping Rules, all of which have adopted the World Anti-Doping Code (the “Code”) and the WADA Prohibited List.

USADA reviewed all the evidence, including laboratory reports demonstrating very low parts per billion concentrations of the prohibited substance in the athlete’s urine sample. Together with the circumstances of ingestion and scientific evidence provided by published literature and expert reports, USADA concluded on a balance of probabilities that the athlete unknowingly ingested the hydrochlorothiazide through tap water obtained from the municipal water supply. As the prohibited substance originated in the municipal water supply, Shaldybin will not face a period of ineligibility or loss of results obtained on or subsequent to June 7, 2016, the day her sample was collected.

U.S. Gymnastics Athlete, Shaldybin, Accepts Finding of No Fault for Anti-Doping Rule Violation - LawInSport

Press Release 14 July 2016 – USADA announced today that Kristen Shaldybin, of Highwood, Illinois, an athlete in the sport of gymnastics, has tested positive for a prohibited substance, which was determined to have been ingested by her without fault or negligence. Shaldybin,18, tested positive...

www.lawinsport.com

USADA also announced that rhythmic gymnast Kristen Shaldybin tested positive for hydrochlorothiazde (HCTZ) but ingested it without fault or negligence.

Shaldybin tested positive following an out-of-competition test on June 7. Given the low concentration in her urine sample, circumstances of her ingestion of the substance and expert reports, USADA determined “on a balance of probabilities” that Shaldybin likely ingested it through tap water.

Shaldybin, 18, will compete in Rio.

USADA finds no fault in failed meldonium test of U.S. men's volleyball player

Maxwell Holt tested positive in an out-of-competition sample taken on June 10.

www.usatoday.com

Amazing.
And that is just one case.

 

[Draculus]

Is Hypoxen legal?

According to it's site it is for the athletes, it is it's market. So I would assume yes.
"Sodium Polydihydroxyphenylene Thiosulfonate" is active substance and it is not in the WADA prohibited list

Looks like yet another pure "Russian" med, like meldonium. Not sure that world medicine knows about it enough.

 

[Greengemmonster]

According to it's site it is for the athletes, it is it's market. So I would assume yes.
"Sodium Polydihydroxyphenylene Thiosulfonate" is active substance and it is not in the WADA prohibited list

Looks like yet another pure "Russian" med, like meldonium. Not sure that world medicine knows about it enough.

I just asked my pharmacist bestie, can't get it in Australia either and they didn't study it at university.

We don't have many drugs!!!! I actually thought drugs were pretty much universally available (for treatment etc). Seems like they aren't!

 

[ConfusedZamboni]

14 July 2016 – USADA announced today that Kristen Shaldybin, of Highwood, Illinois, an athlete in the sport of gymnastics, has tested positive for a prohibited substance, which was determined to have been ingested by her without fault or negligence.

Shaldybin,18, tested positive for hydrochlorothiazide and its marker, 3‐chloroaniline‐4,6‐disulfonamide, as the result of an out-of-competition urine sample she provided on June 7, 2016. Hydrochlorothiazide is a Diuretic prohibited at all times under the USADA Protocol for Olympic and Paralympic Movement Testing, the United States Olympic Committee (“USOC”) National Anti-Doping Policies (“USOC NADP”), and the International Gymnastics Federation (“FIG”) Anti‐Doping Rules, all of which have adopted the World Anti-Doping Code (the “Code”) and the WADA Prohibited List.

USADA reviewed all the evidence, including laboratory reports demonstrating very low parts per billion concentrations of the prohibited substance in the athlete’s urine sample. Together with the circumstances of ingestion and scientific evidence provided by published literature and expert reports, USADA concluded on a balance of probabilities that the athlete unknowingly ingested the hydrochlorothiazide through tap water obtained from the municipal water supply. As the prohibited substance originated in the municipal water supply, Shaldybin will not face a period of ineligibility or loss of results obtained on or subsequent to June 7, 2016, the day her sample was collected.

U.S. Gymnastics Athlete, Shaldybin, Accepts Finding of No Fault for Anti-Doping Rule Violation - LawInSport

Press Release 14 July 2016 – USADA announced today that Kristen Shaldybin, of Highwood, Illinois, an athlete in the sport of gymnastics, has tested positive for a prohibited substance, which was determined to have been ingested by her without fault or negligence. Shaldybin,18, tested positive...

www.lawinsport.com

USADA also announced that rhythmic gymnast Kristen Shaldybin tested positive for hydrochlorothiazde (HCTZ) but ingested it without fault or negligence.

Shaldybin tested positive following an out-of-competition test on June 7. Given the low concentration in her urine sample, circumstances of her ingestion of the substance and expert reports, USADA determined “on a balance of probabilities” that Shaldybin likely ingested it through tap water.

Shaldybin, 18, will compete in Rio.

USADA finds no fault in failed meldonium test of U.S. men's volleyball player

Maxwell Holt tested positive in an out-of-competition sample taken on June 10.

www.usatoday.com

Amazing.
And that is just one case.

That doesn't make it okay here though. That instance and this instance should be stopped. How is it good for Kami's career and how is it fair?

 

[Draculus]

I just asked my pharmacist bestie, can't get it in Australia either and they didn't study it at university.
We don't have many drugs!!!! I actually thought drugs were pretty much universally available (for treatment etc). Seems like they aren't!

Well, the reason for it's unavailability is the lack of certification (in Europe and/or US mostly)
And the lack of certification is usually due to 2 reasons:
1) lack of money
2) lack of good evidence that it's working

 

[Lzbee]

If it was known that Kamila's grandpa takes a medication that is banned for athletes then she should know not to share water with him. If this story is true, then they may find Kamila at fault because she is 15 and is old enough to understand what this means. When Yelim missed a doping test, she was publically reprimanded despite being only 13 and ISU's statement said that all ISU athletes must understand and adhere to the rules regardless of age.

Quote from ISU's statement:
If a young athlete is deemed by his parents mature enough to participate in an international event, she must be deemed mature enough to understand the applicable anti-doping rules.

If Kamila is being coerced into saying this, then I hope the relevant authorities will find who is making her say this because it conveniently sets her up to take the fall.