Kostner to attend Mishin's camp

[rosy14]

Judging by the last Europeans, Caro is at the same level, or higher, than all the other skaters, EXCEPT the Russians who, by the way, have always problems with puberty and growing. So let's see which of the Russians will be on top next year.
Yulia? Liza? Adelina, after two years ? Pogorilaya, not so,consistent ? Elena, who must reconstruct he self? Ebgenia, if not growing up?
Worlds is a different matter with the Japaneses, but again who really? Satoko with her mini-jumps? Gracie, as inconsistent as Caro was? Worlds are at the end of March, so after GPs, Nationals and Europeans.
As for transitions: if Boyan Jin can improve on that, so can Carolina.

 

[solani]

Transitions are not only linking footwork but also for example body transitions movements. That's why Carolina always got a very high transitions score in the past. And she deserved it. So I see no problem there. (If someone is interested - here's a link to a short clips of the ISU regarding body movement transitions. It features Carolina . The same channel has other clips regarding transitions as well. It's educational.)

 

[miki88]

Transitions are not only linking footwork but also for example body transitions movements. That's why Carolina always got a very high transitions score in the past. And she deserved it. So I see no problem there. (If someone is interested - here's a link to a short clips of the ISU regarding body movement transitions. It features Carolina . The same channel has other clips regarding transitions as well. It's educational.)

But shouldn't skaters only get very high transition scores if they have both? And there are skaters out there who do (e.g. Daisuke Takahashi). Carolina tends to telegraph her more difficult jumping passes, which sometimes suits her choreography but she shouldn't be getting that high in transitions.

 

[solani]

But shouldn't skaters only get very high transition scores if they have both? And there are skaters out there who do (e.g. Daisuke Takahashi). Carolina tends to telegraph her more difficult jumping passes, which sometimes suits her choreography but she shouldn't be getting that high in transitions.

I personally love her long glide into her lutz and the speed she gets out of it if she hits it is just amazing. And she doesn't do it in the SP, where steps into it would be necessary. Skaters get higher GOE for jumps if they have transitions into it, so skaters who do that are already rewarded. And her linking footwork between almost all her other elements is excellent, so I don't really see why she shouldn't get a very high transition score. That's the nice thing about figure skating, there's not only one way to do things. Each skater is allowed to work on his/her strengths. Carolina is a very tall lady and therefore has to be in good balance before she jumps. She has diligently worked on the other aspects of her skating.

 

[Violet Bliss]

I personally love her long glide into her lutz and the speed she gets out of it if she hits it is just amazing. And she doesn't do it in the SP, where steps into it would be necessary. Skaters get higher GOE for jumps if they have transitions into it, so skaters who do that are already rewarded. And her linking footwork between almost all her other elements is excellent, so I don't really see why she shouldn't get a very high transition score. That's the nice thing about figure skating, there's not only one way to do things. Each skater is allowed to work on his/her strengths. Carolina is a very tall lady and therefore has to be in good balance before she jumps. She has diligently worked on the other aspects of her skating.

Carolina's body movements are expressive and exquisite , but just moving around to fill requirements or time and space.

 

[Icey]

She only did double jumps at the Medal Winners Open in Japan, January 2016. Still managed to win second to Rochette. But it is too early to tell what her current capabilities are. I think she will probably skate well, but not have the technical arsenal to challenge for most international podiums. Roberta is, I believe, around 8th in the world now. Wonder if she can improve enough to challenge.

 

[Mango]

She only did double jumps at the Medal Winners Open in Japan, January 2016. Still managed to win second to Rochette. But it is too early to tell what her current capabilities are. I think she will probably skate well, but not have the technical arsenal to challenge for most international podiums. Roberta is, I believe, around 8th in the world now. Wonder if she can improve enough to challenge.

Is this Roberta Rodeghiero you are referring to as eighth in the world?

 

[4everchan]

Is this Roberta Rodeghiero you are referring to as eighth in the world?

yup ... RR but if the world ranking is 9th, it's not really relevant IMHO Roberta does well at international events and at euros but she has been 20th and 16th in her last two WC.... HOWEVER : she does have a triple-triple and is a nice skater to watch so if Carolina doesn't bring up some decent TES she might be in for a tough fight

 

[Mango]

yup ... RR but if the world ranking is 9th, it's not really relevant IMHO Roberta does well at international events and at euros but she has been 20th and 16th in her last two WC.... HOWEVER : she does have a triple-triple and is a nice skater to watch so if Carolina doesn't bring up some decent TES she might be in for a tough fight

Ah, thanks for explaining that. I was looking at the 2016 World Championship rankings and wondering what in the world. I don't put too much stock into those world rankings as I've been seeing how quickly people's skating changes from season to season but those rankings lag and don't seem to reflect the current state of skating world. That's just my opinion, though.

I think we need to look at scores instead of rankings. If Carolina comes back and starts scoring in the 190s then we know she'll be able to compete with the top 10, just like Mao this season. How well she can jump is a big part of that. If she's clean and doing triples without edge and under rotation issues then she could be in the mix for top 10 next season.

 

[4everchan]

i always taught of CK as a bit of a hit or miss gal... when she is on, she is on, but often she was off... way off...

a comeback season is tough... and considering she has been out for 2 seasons, it's tougher....the field is much deeper too... now most girls do the 3-3 ... not just a few. I wish her all the best. I am one of those people who will believe it when it happens (her being in contention) I'd put all 3 canadian girls ahead of her right now... so that's a lot to say (and of course 3 russians, 3 japanese, 3 americans etc also)

Ah, thanks for explaining that. I was looking at the 2016 World Championship rankings and wondering what in the world. I don't put too much stock into those world rankings as I've been seeing how quickly people's skating changes from season to season but those rankings lag and don't seem to reflect the current state of skating world. That's just my opinion, though.

I think we need to look at scores instead of rankings. If Carolina comes back and starts scoring in the 190s then we know she'll be able to compete with the top 10, just like Mao this season. How well she can jump is a big part of that. If she's clean and doing triples without edge and under rotation issues then she could be in the mix for top 10 next season.

 

[SXTN]

Carolina performed a beautiful triple flip at ICE LEGENDS in april: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xry3ziBEIQo
At exhibitions she usually does toeloop and salchow. She looks on!

Her comeback will be a question of stamina. She has the jumps, she has the technique and I think she has learned to manage her nerves over the past seasons.

 

[sarama]

I think we shouldn't expect too much from her regarding this comeback...Mao was treated quite harshly by the judges this season, their message was clear: 'the sport has moved on'. Personally I'd rather watch Carolina or Mao than all the current ''top ladies'', even without the ''required'' 7 fully rotated triples, 2 double axels and frantic meaningless transitions.
I hope Italian media won't be too harsh on her (they have been so cruel in the past:sad21, and that she will inspire the rest of the field and give the judges some perspective.

 

[Ares]

Carolina performed a beautiful triple flip at ICE LEGENDS in april: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xry3ziBEIQo
At exhibitions she usually does toeloop and salchow. She looks on!

Her comeback will be a question of stamina. She has the jumps, she has the technique and I think she has learned to manage her nerves over the past seasons.

I don't think that you can simply forget your technique just because of layoff. It's a matter of proper trening and form on how her comeback will pan out.

 

[lauravvv]

She only did double jumps at the Medal Winners Open in Japan, January 2016. Still managed to win second to Rochette. But it is too early to tell what her current capabilities are.

It was strange that she only did doubles at MWO, as she had jumped triples in all her show performances not long before that. Kostner has not spoken about that, but I suspect there may have been some problem, some minor injury or something, as, if I remember correctly, all doubles was not her planned content for that competition either.

 

[Sweet Dream]

All my Christmasses are coming at once!!!

Carolina coming back was reason enough to be excited.

But now she is preparing for her return by training with Alexei Mishin!



This is the sort of scenario I wouldn't even have dared to dream of!!! My long-term favourite skater working with my long-term favourite coach!!!

Please pinch me now so that I know for sure that I'm not imagining this!!!

CaroLiza_fan

I think this is not their first time cooperation. Mishin used to help Carolina improve her jump technique, but he once said that he would no longer work with foreign skaters. Just saying is not believing. Carolina's request is just a little hard for Mishin to decline somehow, I guess.

 

[skateluvr]

I think this is not their first time cooperation. Mishin used to help Carolina improve her jump technique, but he once said that he would no longer work with foreign skaters. Just saying is not believing. Carolina's request is just a little hard for Mishin to decline somehow, I guess.

Where is the reply to thread button. I only ever see reply with quote.

I'm replying to thread. Carolina reached her apex in 2014. She had a few very good for her seasons. Lori Nichol created Ave Maria. Orser felt she was the best. Listen to Kurt Browing rave about that short program. She did it twice in Sochi. With I j S as it is she cannot do better than she did. Because They preferred Yuna and the point getting layout with her huge triple lutz triple toe they gave her second. Adelina had the skate of her life and they inflated her PCS. She had so many moves that racked up the technical points. Carolina floated across the ice in her SP. it was
Absolutely Olympic said Kurt in hushed reverential voice

I love watching her and Mao. Look how judges treated Mao. The sport requires new stars new champions. The Russian teens are what the IJS wants and apparently a new one every year.

Evgenia is the best to come along and can tano any jump. I would rather watch a replay of Caros best skates and exhibitions and no one not even Evgenia can mesmerize like Caro or Mao and both still have the technical goods. But the judges have moved on. I am thrilled to see them skate until 2018. If they do. But Mishin is no Lori Nichol and what new jumps can she add at 30?

They both love to skate and I love to watch but Mao isn't being scored fairly and neither will Caro be scored fairly. Orser said she was the best in Sochi and she was. They gave her bronze. Caro floated on top of the ice in her Ave Maria. It was like watching a pure angel on skates. Adelina and Yuna as clean as they were and very impressive were mere earthlings who skated their programs as well as they could.

Caro with Mishin? Ugh. I love Plush because he was this incredible warrior and at one time you could count on him for the big jump combos. But look at the programs, music cuts, the costumes. He had no edges. Liza has good jump technique. What else? What is so great about Mishin? Yes he helped Yagudin who was a better skater but it was morozov and Tarasova who helped him become the best skater he could be. I will never forget his perfect Sp Winter in 2002.

I think Caro peaked in Sochi and is still chasing a dream like Mao that will never come true. They are still amazing but the judges as I said reward the new younger talent. They have had years in the spotlight. In Japan Mao is revered. In Europe proper only Caro is the queen.

But it's all about the Russan Girls. And maybe Satoko who is so consistent will continue to get on the podiums. Gracie and Ashley have a shot if they can beat the nerves. We may see a Canadian sneak up but I doubt it. So enjoy Caro and Mao for how stunning both can be. Just don't expect the judges to care anymore.

 

[Snow63]

Where is the reply to thread button. I only ever see reply with quote.

Bottom left corner of the page, just below the last post in the thread.

 

[Pracygr]

I love watching her and Mao. Look how judges treated Mao. The sport requires new stars new champions. The Russian teens are what the IJS wants and apparently a new one every year.

25 y.o. Javier Fernandez didn't look much like a Russian teen to me, and judges loved him. And ladies aren't judged to any other standard. Short and concealed preparation to elements, varied and difficult entries, difficult outs moving immediately into linking steps - all of that with choreography and character on top form a program that just flows from beginning to end. And this is the not so well kept secret behind Fernandez and Hanyu huge scores. It's far from trivial to execute, especially when you're expected to land all your jumps on top of that, quite difficult actually, and judges are all about difficulty.

And to that gold standard Medvedeva is the closest. Miyahara, Wagner, Pogorilaya, Gold are close too. Anybody else who wants in on their success is going to need to match them, and "floating on top of the ice" isn't going to do it alone.

 

[rosy14]

Carolina will prepare her programs in July with Nichol, not with Mishin now in Estonia.
I think the co-operation with him is double- fold: Carolina refreshes her jumps and Liza her skating skills and interpretation.
She does not seem too worried about TES, she wants "to show something different, special". And remember: she knows Russian girls very well.
We'll see.

 

[Globetrotter]

Not sure if return to competition is the best idea for Caro K. She has always struck me as a happy type skater and not the strongest competitor. Basics wise, she is without peer except for perhaps Asada. I don't think any of the current girls have the sort of SS, TR and blade control and edge work. But that's no longer what scores you big points. Caro never really had the TES to match up with the Russian girls. I doubt that she can rely on the Sochi 2014 content and hope to PCS her way through. Skating clean is not her strong suit honestly although she is a joy to watch when on. Off? Shudder.