Perhaps, but I hate these kinds of comments. I really do. Look at the intense pressure on all these girls to be thin, and it drives them to all kinds of problems. I like the fact that Emily isn't a stick figure and that she actually has a shape to her body. She just needs to adopt the right kind of style...and I think for that it's a more forceful, uplifting piece of music.
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Perhaps, but I hate these kinds of comments. I really do. Look at the intense pressure on all these girls to be thin, and it drives them to all kinds of problems. I like the fact that Emily isn't a stick figure and that she actually has a shape to her body. She just needs to adopt the right kind of style...and I think for that it's a more forceful, uplifting piece of music.
No on ESPN. I was in the arena.
There are plenty of other possible reasons for her problems other than weight. Yes about the thin/thick comment. But that is the shape God gave her, and it is never going to change
Weight is the explanation and solution for some problems, but it is not the explanation and solution for every problem of every skater. People are too quick to go there for all the answers, IMO. (They used to tell us the weight of each skater at each competition, so it was possible in the past to keep track if someone really was gaining or losing weight -- if they told the truth. But they haven't done it for a few years, so it is only a guess by visual appearance if a skater has gained or lost weight during a season.)
Last year Miki was clearly heavier and it had its effects on her. This year she is trimmer and in better shape, and the results of that showed this week. But I remain unconvinced weight is Emily's main problem.
Also, a lot of skaters had to have been jet lagged when they competed this week. Some did not arrive until Monday or Tuesday, and it takes at least 3-4 days to adjust when coming from the West Coast of the U.S. Even more from the East Coast. I spoke to some skaters who told me they came in the Friday before to be sure they fully adjusted to the time zone by the time their practices started. (But these were not U.S. skaters.)
Also IMO, I think if you have not seen a skater up close in person on several occasions, one should be extremely hesitant to claim knowledge that a skater needs to gain or lose weight.
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As I write this, it's 9:12am in Tokyo on Monday and computer is showing 5:12pm (Sunday night Pacific TIme)
Rosaleen, who's just heading down for breakfast and then back to my room to pack
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You could be right about Emily, I don't know. But I do find some people's concern about "these kind of comments" a bit odd. If there is so much worry about the "intense pressure on all these girls to be thin," why are there not more threads about how the thin girls should gain weight? There are a LOT more very thin, even a few skeletal, elite skaters than heavy ones. In fact the norm for elite skaters is to be very thin. Why is that not an issue?
Personally, I think there should be more talk about the excessive thinness of some. But that does not mean that others don't need to take off a few sometimes. It's complicated. Weight affects the skating itself as well as the skaters' health and the attitudes of young fans, so I don't think the topic should be off limits. I know you didn't say it should be, RD, but I know some feel that way very strongly.
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Yes, and hence why the ones who DO look "big" get more flack.
I just have a personal issue with folks looking at normal girls and saying they should lose weight when some are practically killing themselves just to stay thin and look "cool". OK, maybe in skating it might help a bit with the jumps (I don't skate, so I have to take these posters' word for it)...but I still maintain that Emily's issue is NOT weight...it's song choice.
I don't think the topic should be "off limits", but I definitely think that people should think about this for a little while before calling any of the "bigger" (i.e. normal-size) skaters "overweight" or "fat". I still remember during stars on ice two years ago when sister Sarah was on the tour and she was called all sorts of horrible things. Far from being a fan of hers, but still...
Yes, but the physical adjustment for your body is 24 - 16 = 8 hours for pacifc time. Your body does not know about the international date line or that the name of the day changes. Your body does not try to adjust 16 hours forward, it tries to adjust 8 hours backwards. For me, I was almost in scynch in three days, and finally feeling "normal" on the fourth day. It takes most people 1 day to adjust for every 2 hours of time change.
ah, you're right. I never thought of it that way. Thanks...I was thinking in terms of the numbers.
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Oh jesus. She is insane.
I love it.
BTW, I wouldn't have marked her down on the Triple Axle. The two-footing was so slight and her air position and flow-out were still beautiful.
~Z
I agree!!
also, on another note, this owrlds was SO much better than last year.. last year after the olympics, it fel like nobody really cared and sasha skated poorly and nobody was really there. all the big names were taking a break and /or retired.. shen and zhao were injured... it felt like those who won, owon becasue the big names weren't there. it just did'nt have the usuall excitment.
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The reason that we shy away from this topic is that anorexia is a medical condition that kind of falls under the skaters' privacy guidelines. Just like we don't like to gossip about whether someone has cancer or schizophrenia , unless the skater announces it him/herself.
As for Emily maybe wanting to drop 10 pounds, hey, so do I. In common with 200,000,000 people in the United States. Easier said than done, LOL.
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The causes of it are really debated and many would say they include social pressures. If that's true, nothing will change if it's not discussed. It's a disease which is often ignored, and that can be fatal. That's why it bugs me a lot that there's a conspiracy of silence around the skeletal skaters. But most by far are not in that category, they're hungry but not starving, if one can appreciate the difference.
Exactly, same here, that's why I think it's so absurd not to be able to say it. Big deal. Anyway, enough on Emily and the 10 pounds.
Next question: did anyone see Elene Gedevanishvili? She was not shown on ESPN.
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Yeah, it's different from ppl to ppl. I usually don't experient much of 'jet lag' when fly from US east coast to China east coast. (Maybe because I'm too exciting?). But I need about a week to adjust to the normal when I flying back to US east coast.
ASFAIK the weight problem has been disscussed to death in several skating boards through years. IMO, it's just personal preference, or the environment that you live in affect your view of weight. When you live in an env that average girl's size is 2P or less, you would be in opinion that favor slim build body. And you don't feel someone very thin is too thin.....The fact is different sport in favor of different body type. Figure Skating like Gymnasticsis is in favor small/slim body type, especially with new system and jump requirement. It is not coincident that you see more ane more Asian skaters into the the elite level. Their body type just suit to develop in FS. As now more and more Asian countries involved (start to develop the sport) in FS, you may expect to see more and more Asian faces in elite skaters.
The tricks to get down your weight? Eate more veges, fishes, no cheese, very little beefs.
Come on, non one in FS can be called obesity, even through this most critics pair of eyes. LOL
I have a friend (Japanese) who really likes Emily's legs shape. She says the curve between butt and thigh is in exactly the right place whereas the Japanese girls (except MIki) curve lower.
A lot of good jumpers in the past who come to my mind didn't look that thin to me. (Midori for example) I think it's more of a muscle/fat ratio problem rather than simply a weight problem.
I just saw Miki's FP. I'm so glad for her. After all she has gone through it was inspiring to watch her win. The Yunas and Maos are great to watch but there is something special about seeing someone who has been writtern off as a hasbeen work so hard and make it to the top of the podium in spite of injury. (An article mentioned that Miki's acne is from all the painkillers she had to take.)I loved the moment before the straight line footwork when Miki looks at someone in the stands and smiles. (She was looking at Shizuka Arakawa.) She mentioned afterwards in an interview that she kind of needed a 'lift' before the most tiring part of the program and apparently she got it.
I really enjoyed Mao and Yuna too but I'm kind of glad that Mao and Yuna didn't get the gold. I don't think it would of been good for them in the long run. Probably way too much pressure next season considering all the media hype they have been getting this year.
A lot of good jumpers in the past who come to my mind didn't look that thin to me. (Midori for example) I think it's more of a muscle/fat ratio problem rather than simply a weight problem.
I just saw Miki's FP. I'm so glad for her. After all she has gone through it was inspiring to watch her win. The Yunas and Maos are great to watch but there is something special about seeing someone who has been writtern off as a hasbeen work so hard and make it to the top of the podium in spite of injury. (An article mentioned that Miki's acne is from all the painkillers she had to take.)I loved the moment before the straight line footwork when Miki looks at someone in the stands and smiles. (She was looking at Shizuka Arakawa.) She mentioned afterwards in an interview that she kind of needed a 'lift' before the most tiring part of the program and apparently she got it.
I really enjoyed Mao and Yuna too but I'm kind of glad that Mao and Yuna didn't get the gold. I don't think it would of been good for them in the long run. Probably way too much pressure next season considering all the media hype they have been getting this year.
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Safe travels back, Rosaleen! Thanks again for the hours of reports!
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It was my impression that any extra weight she had last season was a side-effect of what she called her biggest problem, not feeling like part of the Japanese team (I suspect a sense of belonging can be a powerful motivator for Japanese people).
At Skate America she credited her improved performance specifically to feeling like part of a team again...
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This is in response to the poster who thought Midori Ito didn't look thin. It's true that she has a compact body build and NOTHING she could do could EVER make her look like Yu Na or Mao. But look at this group shot of Midori with other skaters - I had to laugh. I wondered if she was a child, but nope - she had skated in at least 7 Worlds by then. Maybe she weighed about 85 pounds? Even iloveaxel couldn't call her heavy! (She's adorable!!!)
http://images.google.com/imgres?img...um=1&hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-48,GGLJ:en&sa=N
http://images.google.com/imgres?img...um=1&hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-48,GGLJ:en&sa=N
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I did. While there were troubles w/a couple of jumps, considering all of the stuff she's had to deal w/lately, I thought it was a good performance. I can't wait to see her next year w/a year of training w/Galina is under her belt though.
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