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Good point. An argument can be made the other way as well: one more competition to establish oneself in the International World couldn't hurt, either.
I guess it's a case of seeing the glass half empty/half full...I happen to see it half empty, so that's where my view comes from. I do see some signs of hope though (mainly Rachel's high placement and score here). Others, like you, see it half-full and that's perfectly fine.
Thanks - for some reason I couldn't load the ISU page earlier.
ETA - ok, I am feeling for Kimmie. I saw her short and she really looked great; I couldn't slo mo so couldn't see the UR, but at the same time thought I noticed some quick movement of her landing foot - so maybe; having a harder time figuring out the levels, but really think she looked in control and so much more polished - hope she keeps her head high!
Haven't seen any LP's yet - so can't comment; but congrats to the medalists and once again, thanks for all of your commentary, for those of us who can't watch, these comments are a total treat to read!
ETA - ok, I am feeling for Kimmie. I saw her short and she really looked great; I couldn't slo mo so couldn't see the UR, but at the same time thought I noticed some quick movement of her landing foot - so maybe; having a harder time figuring out the levels, but really think she looked in control and so much more polished - hope she keeps her head high!
Haven't seen any LP's yet - so can't comment; but congrats to the medalists and once again, thanks for all of your commentary, for those of us who can't watch, these comments are a total treat to read!
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I can't make up my mind on that.
While I'm happy to see some improvements in scores and standings with our young ladies, the Olympic season is just around the corner and will that be enough?......
I would say three spots seem rather bleak.
Aghhghgh... good luck and big hug to all of them in Nats!!
As soon as the SP fiasco happened, I KNEW she was going to tank the FS. It happened last year at the GPF as well. No surprises here.
I would have said exactly what you said after Nationals last year; however, now, I think her days are truly numbered. Nats 2009 is "THE" competition that will tell where all the American skaters stand right now, and I wouldn't be against leaving her off the World team even if she goes top Two. We need consistent performers (i.e. Flatt) to help us as much as possible in LA. I know this might sound insensitive to some, but we must get real here.
Congrats to all the medalists, especially Ms. Flatt!
A silver! YEAH!!!
Yes, definitely! That's the bright side of things. :thumbsup:
At this point, I think I can say with a good amount of confidence that we are headed for an Olympics with none of our Ladies on the podium. I think top 10 would be a good shot, and top 5 an accomplishment.
I really hope I can dig up this post in March 2010 and laugh at it, though.
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Sadly I agree....
So besides Flatt, who else would be good (based on GPs so far)?
Last year after the Nats, I thought it was going to impossible to pick between Flatt, Nagasu, Zhang, Meissner, Wagner, etc etc, but suddenly I can't even come up with a second spot.
USFS is going to have to think long and hard, and take a risk on SOMEONE. Every single one of those skaters you mentioned has her own problems, some bigger than others.
Personally, I'd rather take the risk on Nagasu or Zhang than Meissner. As for Wagner, let's see how she does at NHK. She's a potential wild card; however, she did fall apart at Worlds last year so that's one strike against her.
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True, but she at least has experienced competing at Senior Worlds, so maybe she will have learned from it.
Okay, all this is moot until after Nats.
I just hope we are very excited about our top two come March.
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Lepisto need silver or gold to beats out Miki's bronze/silver and the chances of getting either is next to impossible. Yakari score 115+ with just five triples and we all know Mao always skate better at home. Even if she won silver i think, the protocol use the total combine mark as a tie breaker so she need to score over 170+ combine to edge out Miki.
I just can't imagine the amount of pressure the two chosen (or two who qualify) will have...
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To qualify... Laura must finish at least SILVER.
If Laura takes gold... she is in automatically.
If Mao takes gold, Laura silver and Yukari bronze at NHK, it'll be 4-way tie...
including Miki and Fumie...for the last 2 spots.
Of course top 2 TOTAL SCORES qualify for GPF.
BTW, Yu-Na, Joannie, Mao, Yukari, Carolina and Miki are the TOP-6 skaters according to IceNetwork's WORLD RANKINGS.
What's the deal with Kimmie getting Level 1 on basically everything in both the short and the long programs? It seems like she's throwing away easy points. It's very silly, and should be correctable. She only had one Level 1 at Skate America (mostly everything else was Level 3, with a Level 2 or 4 scattered in there), and all of a sudden she's barely getting anything besides Level 1. Does anyone have an idea as to how many points she just threw away by not getting her usual levels? What is she doing wrong all of a sudden?
She needs to figure that out. She's too good to be getting beat by low ranked skaters, and to be getting demolished by Czisny who splatted all over the ice (no offense at all to Czisny.. she's beautiful, but she outscored Kimmie by 20 pts with three falls!).
I just hope she's not too deflated. I know her focus is on the jumps (and she did manage to keep her butt off this ice this time), but they can't forget about getting her usual levels in the spins/spirals/footwork.
I have no idea who will make the World team, but someone like Kimmie should at least give herself the best shot she can. You never know what can happen at Nationals and who will be able to handle the pressure on that Ladies Long program night. I hope she works on getting her levels up to her usual ability.
She needs to figure that out. She's too good to be getting beat by low ranked skaters, and to be getting demolished by Czisny who splatted all over the ice (no offense at all to Czisny.. she's beautiful, but she outscored Kimmie by 20 pts with three falls!).
I just hope she's not too deflated. I know her focus is on the jumps (and she did manage to keep her butt off this ice this time), but they can't forget about getting her usual levels in the spins/spirals/footwork.
I have no idea who will make the World team, but someone like Kimmie should at least give herself the best shot she can. You never know what can happen at Nationals and who will be able to handle the pressure on that Ladies Long program night. I hope she works on getting her levels up to her usual ability.
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Well not necessarily, not if Mao wins. Then Nakano has silver/bronze too.
Lepisto, Mao, and Nakano all need silvers to clinch their spots (or higher)
If Wagner wins Wagner clinches a spot for herself.
If one of Lepisto/Mao/Nakano gets bronze, than they go into a tie breaker with Miki. The tie breaker is based on scores, which is why Fumie is already out. Right now Nakano, has a little bit of a cushion over Miki, but Miki is actually slightly ahead of Mao point wise (yep!) and has a really nice cushion over Lepisto.
If either Mao or Nakano lose to Lepisto, I suspect it will be due to a very dismal skate on their parts, and there's a good chance one/both won't have the scores to top Ando.
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As to the second spot after an apparently consistent Flatt (who is starting to rack up a record that suggests she can come back/be consistent even in pressure situations, in SA after the short and at CoR with the skate debacle), I wouldn't give up on Nagasu until after NHK. Let's give this young woman a chance -- she is our national champion -- and she certainly wasn't a total bomb at SA.
Zhang also may not have skated as well as we might have hoped, but she has shown a degree of consistency. Unfortunately, we've seen this season that even a "clean" Zhang may not win with her weird jump tech issues, but still, I have to say I don't think Zhang has been a total disappointment at all -- far from it. She may have lost her wunderkind debut-season status, but she still has some lovely things to show on the ice.
Meissner, wow, still love her but don't know what to think. For her sake I'd like to see her do well at Nats, but frankly I'd be nervous about sending her on a World team, given the scores she's posted this season. The international judges and tech controllers aren't showing any love at all. And, as I've written before, I've felt like she really hasn't had a great comp since her Worlds win. I know many view her following season as successful, with her National title and some other good placings, but she barely beat Emily at Nats and I wasn't too wowed with her Worlds performance that season, and it's been downhill ever since. In a way, Meissner's had a lot of chances. If she earns more, okay, but if one of the other women does well, I'd rather see her go to Worlds than Kimmie.
Looking forward to seeing Nagasu at NHK.
Zhang also may not have skated as well as we might have hoped, but she has shown a degree of consistency. Unfortunately, we've seen this season that even a "clean" Zhang may not win with her weird jump tech issues, but still, I have to say I don't think Zhang has been a total disappointment at all -- far from it. She may have lost her wunderkind debut-season status, but she still has some lovely things to show on the ice.
Meissner, wow, still love her but don't know what to think. For her sake I'd like to see her do well at Nats, but frankly I'd be nervous about sending her on a World team, given the scores she's posted this season. The international judges and tech controllers aren't showing any love at all. And, as I've written before, I've felt like she really hasn't had a great comp since her Worlds win. I know many view her following season as successful, with her National title and some other good placings, but she barely beat Emily at Nats and I wasn't too wowed with her Worlds performance that season, and it's been downhill ever since. In a way, Meissner's had a lot of chances. If she earns more, okay, but if one of the other women does well, I'd rather see her go to Worlds than Kimmie.
Looking forward to seeing Nagasu at NHK.
I'd say Zhang, although people tend to criticize her for her mule kick technique. But facts alone, Caroline Zhang's technique sheet is better than all other ladies. She had the 2nd most ratified 3-3 combinations after Yuna in the last two years. And last season, Zhang also had the 2nd highest TES right behind Yuna in the six GP events.
Second highest TES, I'd like to see the math on that one. But right now yes, for me Flatt's bags should be packed for Worlds and the second spot is between Wagner/Zhang.
But who knows if there is a generous technical caller at Nationals this year. (sigh)
I like Nagasu a lot better than Zhang, Wagner, and Flatt. But she had only one ratified triple in the long at Skate America. Last year as well, internationally she was getting sometimes 3 triples a program downgraded...
A part of me big time wonders if well the technical caller had been as "strict" as the ones internationally are, if Flatt would be the National Champion today.
That's why I love Nagasu, I'm just not sure about her yet. Frankly, I'd have to see Nagasu skate well at NHK, with most of those jumps rotated, skate well at Nationals, and skate well at Four Continents, before I would feel confident about putting the fate of the Olympic spots in her hands.
Not giving up on Nagasu, just saying I'm hoping that the USFSA makes sure they have a technical caller whose judging like the international callers would judge. Because that area right there (underrotation) is what Rachael has over all of the other girls. Flatt rotates her jumps (except for the occassional 3/3 but all of the girls in the world but Yu-na have had one of those downgraded)
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Yeah, it's only November. It would be foolish to write off Nagasu, or anyone for that matter. A lot can change between now and the end of January. Nationals are a different beast, and a lot more pressure-filled than a random GP event.
As for Meissner, yup, I'm going to defend her again here. I think she had several very nice skates after winning Worlds, notably her 06 Skate America long and her 07 Four Continents long. She has been the US's top finisher at Worlds the past three years. If she earned her spot at Nationals (a long shot at this point, but possible if she can get it together), she would go, and I'm sure they could trust her, just as they have the past three years.
Caroline's taller this year, and no longer getting credit for that 3-3, at least not thus far. She's pretty much having the same jumping issues that kept her off the Nationals podium last season, except that now it's a bit more magnified because that mule kick is more prominent than ever before. Still, I would never count her out, or anyone. It would be very possible to make the World team with no credited 3-3 and with jump issues.
Bottom line is that nobody earns their Worlds spots on the Grand Prix circuit... Just ask Alissa Czisny in 2005-- exceptional results (1st & 2nd) on the GP circuit then disastrous at Nationals. We'll have to wait and see what happens.
2 good things to say about Kimmie for Cup of Russia.
1. Her long program score was better than Skate America. Oh and I was watching her jumps and was it the sal that had the weird landing? It looks like it hurt her ankle (not like a serious injury but one of those small ones that just freaks you out). In the kiss and cry she and Mr. Callaghan mentioned tweaking the jumping pattern.
2. She skated two fall-less programs. Only 1 popped jump. In my opinion, that is a huge thing for Kimmie. Sure, not ideal programs but she is a step in the right direction.
1. Her long program score was better than Skate America. Oh and I was watching her jumps and was it the sal that had the weird landing? It looks like it hurt her ankle (not like a serious injury but one of those small ones that just freaks you out). In the kiss and cry she and Mr. Callaghan mentioned tweaking the jumping pattern.
2. She skated two fall-less programs. Only 1 popped jump. In my opinion, that is a huge thing for Kimmie. Sure, not ideal programs but she is a step in the right direction.
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