Yeah, exactly! I'm definitely not an anti-fan of Yu-na.
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Yeah, exactly! I'm definitely not an anti-fan of Yu-na.
Of course your not anti-Yu-na. But your more for Caroline, and honestly I think that's a big why your a little upset...I do understand and get why Caroline fans might be upset about Zhang losing to an imperfect Yu-na. I understand it...But I don't disagree with the results, and honestly if it was Yu-na in last place, and Mao in first with the same results against Zhang, I wouldn't disagree with the results there either. But that's JMO.
Oops, maybe I've mistaken you for someone else.
SORRY!
Seriously I need to get off this board and get a life.
Farewell to all!!
(until tomorrow)
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sorry...I did mean her entrances, not landings....
I don't know. I hope you know I don't mind Caroline. I just think her fans should be happy that she even placed that high at such a young age, instead of decrying injustice and saying she should have been placed higher.
I guess it just makes me puzzled how some skaters get so much hype and others don't. Caroline and Tara Lipinksi are some prime examples, while others like Jennifer Kirk never deserved any recognition even though they were quite good themselves....and if you look at Michelle Kwan's performance at Caroline's age (14-15 whatever), she was so much better in terms of flow, edge, and height of her jumps. I don't know if Caroline's the miracle child that people try to make her seem. I actually prefer Mirai Nagasu by far because I can tell (even to my untrained eyes) that she has much better basic skills and carriage.
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ISU should regret to change the scoring system from 6.0 to CoP. I wish they could change it back.
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Totally understandable, and I agree that Jenny Kirk never really got the attention she deserved
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Totally understandable, and I agree that Jenny Kirk never really got the attention she deserved
aw, thanks for being so kind towards my remarks Carolinefan177! I should be more like you instead of getting so hot-headed about my favorites! I hope Caroline does well tomorrow!
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Well thank ya!! You aren't so bad yourself
I hope everyone does well!!!
Yay for figure skating!!
<3
What other junior skates like Caroline, or skated like Caroline? The only two junior skaters who bested Caroline's scores last junior season were Yu-na Kim and Mao Asada, two phenomenal skaters in their own right. And I agree with carolinefan that Caroline's landings are definitely not sloppy. She has very good in-air position, which gives her the fast rotations, and she has a very good, classic landing position, with the arched back and high back leg (something which both Yu-na and Mao, curiously enough, do not excel at; they are both great jumpers, but they don't hold their landings properly, though both have improved somewhat over time). Caroline's good in-air and landing techniques are what makes it possible for her to do triples despite the lack of height, and she can come out of jumps with good flow even sometimes when the jumps are under-rotated. Part of the reason why her under-rotations are hard to spot, even in slow-mo, is that her weight is almost always centered perfectly on the right part of her landing foot from mid-air to landing. Others' under-rotations are generally easier to spot, because they are off-balance or flip out, or they have to really struggle to check the landing.
If we were still under the old 6.0 system when placement in the SP mattered, then yes, that'd be great. But with the new CoP, a 2-3 point lead means absolutely nothing. Especially in Caroline's case, her PCS disadvantage will more than wipe that out in the LP.
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I agree with you that flexibility should be a bonus, not a requirement. Although heck, everything under the CoP is a bonus, not a requirement, since you rarely lose points, and then only for blatant mistakes.
I don't especially mind the lack of flexibility, as I mind the lack of stretch, turning out of the knee, pointing of the toe. These are things that used to really matter in figure skating, especially back when school figures were still part of it.I would like point out that your impression for Caroline's spin isn't true. Caroline is by far the best layback spinner with Mirai, but she isn't the best for other spins. Caroline has never gotten level 4 for flying sit spin this season, she got usually level 2 or 3 with small goe's. She has also gotten level 2 or 3 for combination spins.
On the other hand, the skaters who got the best score for flying sit spin this season are Mao and Alissa. Yu-Na is aslo better than Caroline. In fact, Mao and Yu-na are very good spinners. If you follow all the protocols of competitions, you could catch this fact.
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I agree with you that flexibility should be a bonus, not a requirement. Although heck, everything under the CoP is a bonus, not a requirement, since you rarely lose points, and then only for blatant mistakes.
Tis true...
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Caroline usually gets + GOES for them though, and I could've sworn in both her sp and lp that she had level three and four combinations spins...
Given the history of irrational Yu-na bashers (I'm not referring to anyone in this thread, but referring to people like Satorare or tiara), we, Yu-na ueber-fans
, tend to be very defensive as a group. This is an excuse for the defensive behaviour on my part.
Anyway, I seriously think Yu-na deserved her score not because I'm her fan but because I understand this scoring system and Yu-na's capabilities. And, who said Yu-na is perfect? Saying she deserved the score doesn't imply she is perfect.
Also, I get particularly defensive of her when people focus on her lack of flexibility because I know Yu-na is just not born with good flexibility and those people will focus on it for the remainder of her career.
Wow. According to isu article, both Yuna and Caroline got level 4 for all of their spins. Looks like Caroline got deduction for her flutz. Hope this help to solve your mystery
http://www.isu.org/vsite/vcontent/c...-3787-4771-layout160-129898-news-item,00.html
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Caroline never does really great flying spins -- she doesn't get much height or distance on the "flying" part, and then she loses speed when she lands. Her flying camel spins last season weren't great either -- she was even getting level 1's. But she got a level 4 on her camel combination spin (at SA) this season. I think the key for her there is to hold enough revolutions in each position to get them to count.
Cosmos, was Caroline your favorite skater before you started reading my posts? If so, then that's really a shame, because I'd hate for Caroline to lose any fans on any account (especially mine). I try to always be fair-minded: I try not to exaggerate her talents nor diminish her shortcomings. But you know, we're all humans, sometimes my assessment of what's "fair" may not be the same as others...
Wow. According to isu article, both Yuna and Caroline got level 4 for all of their spins. Looks like Caroline got deduction for her flutz. Hope this help to solve your mystery
Wow, I even scanned through that article and somehow still missed this point. Thanks for the link!
So Yu-na improved her three level 3 spins (CoR) all to level 4's this time.
And it's a first time for Caroline, too, to have all level 4's.
I think for most of these skaters, it's not holding the spins long enough that's giving them the lower levels.
I did think, as I was watching Caroline, that this time she really held both inside and outside edges of the camel spin (in the change-foot-combination spin right before her spiral sequence) at least 3 revolutions each -- I think not holding them long enough, especially the inside edge, was the culprit of her level 3's before. And I also noticed that she held the upright (last) position of her flying sit spin for longer, maybe this was the missing "feature" before.
I agree!
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Everybody sees Yu-na's GPF SP was better than COC, and even COR. Her spiral, spin, and steps were surperb than any other skaters and even her owns before.
And more, I think the COC and COR scores was bit lower than the points she derserved. (she got even level 1 for her steps in COC, ridiculos
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If you want to talk about TES, you have to check the SP scores between CZ and Yu-na.
Yu-na got 30.40(COC)/34.90(COR)/34.90(GPF), and
CZ got 30.20(SA)/36.40(COC)/36.50(GPF)
Yu-na got always lower than or equal score with CZ's,
who always got Flutz and down-lotated problems.
Is there anyone who thinks CZ is a way better in her skating than Yuna's now?
If you want to say about the TES score, I need to say the worst victim who is downgraded than her skating is Yu-na now.
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And about her comment,
You don't know about her personality yet.
She is a perfectionist, and she always keeps saying that she's not satified with her performance.
Even she gets the standing of Michelle Kwan someday,
she won't say that she's done.
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