Alright so with this whole inflated scoring thing, you can't compare scores of today with those of 3 and 4 years ago (in the case of mao and sasha). The scores have in general been getting higher each year under the new system. Take Alissa, in 2005 she delivered a short program at SC much like her one today, possibly even better, and received a 58. 54 - 6 points lower than her SP score today with no real rhyme or reason. There is, however, something to be said about maturity, though technically Mao's nocturne SP was superior to Joannie's, at 16 she was still a bit junior-ish in her presentation. Joannie has been skating much longer than Mao had at 16 (she's 7 years older...) and her skating has benefitted from this longevity.
Also, I think Joannie is competition for Yu Na, and definitely for Mao and Miki. The pressure doesn't seem to get to Miki much, and Mao normally puts up good long programs though she tends to make silly mistakes in the short, but pressure DOES seem to affect Yu Na. She's good enough to medal with mistakes, but at 2007 worlds Kimmie didn't do great after following Mao's amazing performance in her home country, Carolina absolutely bombed after Yu Na was amazing at worlds last year, and Alissa can't even seem to take the pressure of being at worlds considering she always performs way better at all her other competitions of the season. The Olympics will be intense, and we can't underestimate the girls who can deal with the pressure, Joannie, Rachael, Ashley.
Any predictions for tomorrow's FS results?
Ok, a quick question. Was Joannie's performance as good as:
Yuna Kim's
Tango de roxanne [2007 world - 71.95]
(TES: 41.49, PCS: 30.46)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjdMwMvd35g
Danse Macabre [2009 4cc-72.24] and
(TES: 42.20, PCS: 30.04)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOHh77x1feI
Mao Asada's
Nocturne 2006 SA - 68.86?
(TES:39.40, PCS: 29.44)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmyUwtmch9w
I love Mao's clare de lune, but I couldn't find her high scored program on youtube. They deleted them all I think... But Mao certainly did not receive 70 with her claire de lune at any major competitions, except in team trophy, which she received 75 with 3A combo.
From what I saw, Joannie's PCS is higher than all of these, right? (31+) She also didn't do any 3-3, and I wouldn't say her step or spiral sequence or even spins are better than Yuna or Mao....?
Ok, a quick question. Was Joannie's performance as good as:
Yuna Kim's
Tango de roxanne [2007 world - 71.95]
(TES: 41.49, PCS: 30.46)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjdMwMvd35g
Danse Macabre [2009 4cc-72.24] and
(TES: 42.20, PCS: 30.04)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOHh77x1feI
(And these were world record breaking performances)
Mao Asada's
Nocturne 2006 SA - 68.86?
(TES:39.40, PCS: 29.44)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmyUwtmch9w
I love Mao's clare de lune, but I couldn't find her high scored program on youtube. They deleted them all I think... But Mao certainly did not receive 70 with her claire de lune at any major competitions, except in team trophy, which she received 75 with 3A combo.
From what I saw, Joannie's PCS is higher than all of these, right? (31+) She also didn't do any 3-3, and I wouldn't say her step or spiral sequence or even spins are better than Yuna or Mao....?
Joannie's SP is up here.
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Sports/Figure_Skating/ID=1337428457
Ok, a quick question. Was Joannie's performance as good as:
Yuna Kim's
Tango de roxanne [2007 world - 71.95]
(TES: 41.49, PCS: 30.46)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjdMwMvd35g
Danse Macabre [2009 4cc-72.24] and
(TES: 42.20, PCS: 30.04)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOHh77x1feI
(And these were world record breaking performances)
Mao Asada's
Nocturne 2006 SA - 68.86?
(TES:39.40, PCS: 29.44)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmyUwtmch9w
I love Mao's clare de lune, but I couldn't find her high scored program on youtube. They deleted them all I think... But Mao certainly did not receive 70 with her claire de lune at any major competitions, except in team trophy, which she received 75 with 3A combo.
From what I saw, Joannie's PCS is higher than all of these, right? (31+) She also didn't do any 3-3, and I wouldn't say her step or spiral sequence or even spins are better than Yuna or Mao....?
Joannie's SP is up here.
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Sports/Figure_Skating/ID=1337428457
Sorry about mentioning Mao when she didn't compete here, but her personal best in SP in the international competition (except for the WTT since it's a joke) was 69.5 in the 2006 NHK trophy with her Nocturne. Just compare those two programs.
Ok, a quick question. Was Joannie's performance as good as:
Yuna Kim's
Tango de roxanne [2007 world - 71.95]
(TES: 41.49, PCS: 30.46)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjdMwMvd35g
Danse Macabre [2009 4cc-72.24] and
(TES: 42.20, PCS: 30.04)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOHh77x1feI
(And these were world record breaking performances)
Mao Asada's
Nocturne 2006 SA - 68.86?
(TES:39.40, PCS: 29.44)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmyUwtmch9w
I love Mao's clare de lune, but I couldn't find her high scored program on youtube. They deleted them all I think... But Mao certainly did not receive 70 with her claire de lune at any major competitions, except in team trophy, which she received 75 with 3A combo.
From what I saw, Joannie's PCS is higher than all of these, right? (31+) She also didn't do any 3-3, and I wouldn't say her step or spiral sequence or even spins are better than Yuna or Mao....?
Joannie's SP is up here.
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Sports/Figure_Skating/ID=1337428457
I don't think Joannie compares with Yuna or Mao in the artistic levels or expression. Especially compared with Yuna who imo is in another universe for over all qualities imo. Joannie has superior jumps imo (especially that lutz) over Mao. When she hits Yuna is in a league of her own.
Joannie has improved quite a bit in presentation over the years. Her spirals are still 'meh' to me.
maybe Mao has not established her style completely yet and her skating to me seems sometimes a bit chaotic and 'learnt' rather than natural.
To me Joannie performance was in the same league as those top performances mentioned above (except of not having 3-3). I really don't see how Mao or Yuna are artistically head and shoulders above Joannie. I would rather say that Joannie is more mature in her skating.
Caroline needs a new coach ASAP, or maybe one that is more direct with her. I don't know anything about Li's coaching style or philosophy, but I get the impression that Caroline thinks the judges are almost out to get her and that she really doesn't realize how huge her issues are. I caught the ladies short on TV (rather than streaming) today for the first time in ages. It was even more apparent how slow Caroline is and her flaws were so much more obvious. I thought even one of her spins looked unusually slow for a Caroline spin. I think she really needs a coach that will kick her butt (not literally, of course) and show no mercy. She needs someone to tell it like it is and not pansy around the issues.
i think she's a big rival myself! i consider that if joannie can stay with 5 pts of yuna going into the free, she'll set herself up quite, quite well. her free program, imho, is a bit better constructed and i prefer it over yuna's. and i believe she skated more clean longs than yuna has. the latter has never skated clean at worlds in a long program even though she's a world medalist 3x over. i'm wondering if she can finally do a clean one when it will count the most. i can't imagine that the judges would prefer yuna, if she makes a mistake, to a clean joannie, esp. when the games will be in canada. that will call into question the judges once again not doing their job of judging impartially a la salt lake..... i think, if both skate a clean short, that they should stay not too far apart.... yuna will have to skate lights out in canada to win over rochette if the latter doesn't falter. seriously. don't take grand prix scores too much to heart i say.... we all saw that when sasha was competing in the grand prixs leading up to turino, she was consistently scoring worse than her main russian rival who got such 'high' scores.... and then suddenly, at the olympics, her scores were not 'so' bad after all in comparison...lol. the grand prixs are no where near the olympics in terms of importance or prestige.....
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Joannie looked very secure. It just didn't look that she would make any mistakes. My mom said that she was outstanding. But 70??? the audience went wild and ecstatic. But it seemed very over-scored. Although I acknowledge that scores are inflating over years and that it is meaningless to compare scores with past events years ago, I would appreciate it if scores remain comparable between men and ladies.
mature???
I was just wondering if what is definition of mature in your dictionary?:scratch:
Yes, her career is much longer than their's,
But It doesn't mean she is more mature in her skating.
I should think her skating is rough , neither sophisticated nor mature.