Sigh...this is my last attempt with you gmyers. I can understand being loyal to your own position, but this is starting to sound like stubbornness without reason.
1. You seem excessively obsessed with one number of rotations at the expense of all else. Thank heavens the quad came along to attract you as a skating fan. Otherwise, you apparently would have nothing to enjoy about the sport. Maybe if there was a separate jumps-only competition at the Olympics, you might find satisfaction. Otherwise, I have to break it to you, these situations will happen again at some point in an event the judges overall quality rather than zeroing in on one aspect of the sport, thus making you apoplectic with rage/frustration.
2. That obsession extends to your repeated misreading of my points. Regarding Oda, I mentioned him to highlight his performance relative to Lysacek and the field and its consistency with his well established pattern of meltdowns and screw-ups. Note I was evaluating all the skaters by that same standard, not what specific jumps they did but that they did not deviate in large part from their usual performance patterns. In the scope of historical record, that's what will matter. Doing quads is often irrelevant for Oda unless he controls his tendency to be a bit of a headcase and screw up the rest of the program. The fact that you appear to not understand that and continue to change the topic of discussion is most frustrating.
3.Gachinski medaled at Worlds in 2011, after adjustments to scores which gave further weight to quads and jumps in general. So what is your point about him relative to how skaters performed in 2010 when he was a junior skater? Also note that in previous comps last year, Gachinksi faltered and had middling placements in his other events where he made errors. Point being, he has a lower magin for error which is entirely dependent on his jumping. When he relinquishes that advantage, his weaknesses in other areas become more glaring. He has yet to prove that his overall skating is of sufficient quality to hold him up when his quad fails him. In Plushenko's case, he was most dominant during a period where most of his competition were almost always mistake prone and failed to skate adequately. He won as much for his overall consistency as he did because of his quads. The quads were a plus, not the exclusive reason he won when everyone around him was going splat in Turin. In fact based on the way everyone skated in Turin and his margin of victory, I'd assert that he did not really need the jump at all.
3. Simply doing spins and steps as if they are throw away moves purely to meet the minimum technical requirement for specific levels has never been the intent of including them in skating. Their individual quality should be taken into account. Something COP has contributed the sport in a more concrete way than 6.0 did. Before people were jumping in earnest, they were spinning and doing steps, edges and turns. It's the foundation of the sport. Being so shortsightedly dismissive of them does harm to the sport rather than help it grow.
4. If performances or placements in previous competitions were wholly determinative of success in Olympics or Worlds, then there really would be not point to holding the competition. National scores are largely arbitrary. Everyone knows that and takes them with a grain of salt. Euro and 4CC scores have had a tendency to be inflated in some cases, particularly for the top finishers. Kwan's very best performances were always at Nationals where she frequently looked invincible, but she still lost big events later in the season during several years, even when she appeared to skate perfectly. Kerrigan had the absolute skate of her life in 94 and still lost. Chen had a very shaky season in 95-96 up to Worlds, often messing up one or both of her programs yet still finishing 1st or 2nd in everything but the GPF. But in Edmonton, she was absolutely perfect and still lost.
1. You seem excessively obsessed with one number of rotations at the expense of all else. Thank heavens the quad came along to attract you as a skating fan. Otherwise, you apparently would have nothing to enjoy about the sport. Maybe if there was a separate jumps-only competition at the Olympics, you might find satisfaction. Otherwise, I have to break it to you, these situations will happen again at some point in an event the judges overall quality rather than zeroing in on one aspect of the sport, thus making you apoplectic with rage/frustration.
2. That obsession extends to your repeated misreading of my points. Regarding Oda, I mentioned him to highlight his performance relative to Lysacek and the field and its consistency with his well established pattern of meltdowns and screw-ups. Note I was evaluating all the skaters by that same standard, not what specific jumps they did but that they did not deviate in large part from their usual performance patterns. In the scope of historical record, that's what will matter. Doing quads is often irrelevant for Oda unless he controls his tendency to be a bit of a headcase and screw up the rest of the program. The fact that you appear to not understand that and continue to change the topic of discussion is most frustrating.
3.Gachinski medaled at Worlds in 2011, after adjustments to scores which gave further weight to quads and jumps in general. So what is your point about him relative to how skaters performed in 2010 when he was a junior skater? Also note that in previous comps last year, Gachinksi faltered and had middling placements in his other events where he made errors. Point being, he has a lower magin for error which is entirely dependent on his jumping. When he relinquishes that advantage, his weaknesses in other areas become more glaring. He has yet to prove that his overall skating is of sufficient quality to hold him up when his quad fails him. In Plushenko's case, he was most dominant during a period where most of his competition were almost always mistake prone and failed to skate adequately. He won as much for his overall consistency as he did because of his quads. The quads were a plus, not the exclusive reason he won when everyone around him was going splat in Turin. In fact based on the way everyone skated in Turin and his margin of victory, I'd assert that he did not really need the jump at all.
3. Simply doing spins and steps as if they are throw away moves purely to meet the minimum technical requirement for specific levels has never been the intent of including them in skating. Their individual quality should be taken into account. Something COP has contributed the sport in a more concrete way than 6.0 did. Before people were jumping in earnest, they were spinning and doing steps, edges and turns. It's the foundation of the sport. Being so shortsightedly dismissive of them does harm to the sport rather than help it grow.
4. If performances or placements in previous competitions were wholly determinative of success in Olympics or Worlds, then there really would be not point to holding the competition. National scores are largely arbitrary. Everyone knows that and takes them with a grain of salt. Euro and 4CC scores have had a tendency to be inflated in some cases, particularly for the top finishers. Kwan's very best performances were always at Nationals where she frequently looked invincible, but she still lost big events later in the season during several years, even when she appeared to skate perfectly. Kerrigan had the absolute skate of her life in 94 and still lost. Chen had a very shaky season in 95-96 up to Worlds, often messing up one or both of her programs yet still finishing 1st or 2nd in everything but the GPF. But in Edmonton, she was absolutely perfect and still lost.
since you've always appeared to be collected, logical, and patient.
