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I thought you would be interested in this post, from Yulia's fan fest topic. Just out of curiosity.
It's in relation to the post that CarneAsada translated from the russian forum FSO, regarding the height of jumps between different skaters on the ladies GPF FS topic.

I asked Vanishilar if he had done the same thing because I know he uses Matlab as well.
I took out Yulia's jumps, only, since you are not interested in that and left Adelina, Kim and Kostner, besides Mao of course, being the top 3 in Sochi and with big jumps.
Looking back now at the GPF thread, my post was slightly ambiguous (I didn't feel comfortable translating the part about what download/playback software, etc. they used). I should probably note that SailorJ from the Russian forum did not use MATLAB in the analysis. I was referring to Vanshilar's post and explanation of methodology which I recalled from last season. In the post on the Russian forum, it seems they eyeballed the takeoff and landing frames - when the skate looked to be off the ice, they marked that was takeoff, and when it looked to have touched the ice, that was the landing. I didn't give any heights in my post because the error from just half a frame was quite significant.
 
Looking back now at the GPF thread, my post was slightly ambiguous (I didn't feel comfortable translating the part about what download/playback software, etc. they used). I should probably note that SailorJ from the Russian forum did not use MATLAB in the analysis. I was referring to Vanshilar's post and explanation of methodology which I recalled from last season. In the post on the Russian forum, it seems they eyeballed the takeoff and landing frames - when the skate looked to be off the ice, they marked that was takeoff, and when it looked to have touched the ice, that was the landing. I didn't give any heights in my post because the error from just half a frame was quite significant.

Sorry responded to the wrong comment.
 
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but there is something about Mao's performances that suspend the rational side of my mind.


Everything about Mao's performances suspends the rational side of mind. At least in my book.
Her spirals, her spins, her gorgeous StSq, her body movements, use of arms, posture, innate musicality, powerful jumps, are just amazing.
 
Thanks again for the links, gotoschool. This has been done to death already but my view is that Mao's jumps in 2010 had nowhere to go but down. Moreover, if you look at her Olympic and World skates, her spins were getting a bit slower and her skating in general looked a bit labored compared to 2007 or 2014. But back to jumps. Her 3-3 started having rotation issues in 2008-09. I would have given credit for the 3-3 in her 2008 GPF SP but all the ones she did that season were near-underrotated and they were nowhere near her 2006 3F-3Lo combos in quality. Her flip itself declined to the point that she had to tweak it with Nagakubo before 2009 Nationals. She got it back to land 10 out of 12 triple flip attempts in the next 4 competitions, but the way she was doing it, she'd never have been able to tack a 3Loop on there again. Her 3A was at its peak in 2008-2010 consistency-wise but they weren't getting GOE because of the wobbly landing edge and poor distance/flow out. Her 3Axel in 2013 and 2014 was less consistent, but it had a solid running edge out and both height and distance. Her solo 3Loop didn't really need changes, but she was also trying to get a 3Lo-3Lo for 2010-11, so I understand why she would make changes there. The solo 3Toe was gone forever from her programs though she had to change her 2A to accommodate a 2A-3T. Her Salchow and Lutz obviously needed work as she neglected them for the 2009-10 season. In 2010-11 she initially was doing her old telegraphed Lutz where she'd peek back then flutz, then she worked on it so that it was more like her 2008-09 Lutz which would only get ! (this got worse later though).

I knew it would take time to rework her jumps, but I didn't realize how awful her GP outing would be in 2010. She actually pulled herself together somewhat by 2010 Nationals, a virtual miracle. By 2011 4CC I was already on board with her decision. A lot of improvements (in jumps, mainly) were already showing by then, but she had two major setbacks in the form of the 2011 earthquake, which interrupted her training and caused a change in the timing/location of Worlds, and her mother passing away. She lost her 3A for about 2 full years, but even during this time she was working on her speed and SS, getting back her 3-3 (landing it in shows and in practice in 2012), and improving her 2A-3T. It must have taken incredible patience and determination (and coaching, thank you Mr. Sato) to do all this reworking considering everything really only began to come together in 2013; take into account further improvements and getting over her nagging back pain and she only put out her best in 2014. Had she not done all this rebuilding, she would've maybe kept consistent 3Axel, 3Flip, 3Loop, 3Toe, and 2A, i.e. her Vancouver jumps, all very high but with little flow or distance so she couldn't up her BV through 3-3 or 2A-3 combinations or get the GOE she needed. She could have maybe added the 3Sal and 3Lutz but she wouldn't have had anywhere to put them in the LP (anywhere worth it at least). Going to Nagakubo in 2010 was possibly a mistake as Sato apparently disagreed with a bunch of his changes, but that's the only outright problem I see with her coaching choices post-Vancouver. Sato also made sure she improved her overall skating and the speed in her spins. In my opinion, changing her jumps was absolutely the right decision, and I only regret that she didn't have one more year to maintain and show herself at her 2014 peak.

Thanks for the in-depth and highly thoughtful answer to my questions carneasada, and your welcome concerning the videos. It's funny though that in the last season before she started on the revamp of her jumps that Mao had 3 out of 4 such clean and inspiring free-skates with Bells of Moscow at Nationals, 4CC's and Worlds and that Worlds 2010 was her cleanest ever worlds or Olympic competition. How was she able to have such a powerful emotional and artistic impact with Bells of Moscow with less flow to her jumps? I guess the out of this world spirals and spins and step sequences helped. Mao must have been getting tired of being called with urs when she so often doesn't deserve them (4CC's triple axel 2012, triple flip / triple loop at Sochi and her triple axels at 2010 and 2014 Worlds, the list goes on, so I don't regret her missing out on more overly harsh downgrades. As fan, it upsets me a lot, so I can only imagine what it must have done to her.

I really do like the scientific analysis of jumps and skating but there is something about Mao's performances that suspend the rational side of my mind. I'm glad you agree, Alba. Watching her skate is really a form of meditation as ShibumiMao said, but she also has such sensuous beauty, athleticism, fine lines and extensions. She to me is the consummate figure skater because of the subtle grace she displays in the expression and rhythmic movement of her body punctuated with sudden bursts of passion in the step, spiral and spin sequences and the dramatic enactment of the triple axel.

I see a lot of young skaters who get high GOE with no downgrades on jumps which Mao has very rarely been the recipient of even when she delivers and even though she has more height than most, more balletic flow, more symmetrical and aesthetically pleasing air rotation and more erect posture. I just can't take the scoring that seriously because so many calls just don't make sense to me and betray what I see as an eye witness and this happens with Mao more than any other I know of. 3rd place score in the SOchi step sequence and overall really says it all, as does 11 points in tech deductions in her Worlds LP when she initially received well over +1 in GOE on the triple axel and triple flip and loop combo. This scoring contradiction is still throwing me for a zany loop.

History of the women's triple axel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29SMYaEwGyM
 
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Mao is so beautiful. Her skating, the way she moves her body, her angelic face. I really want to keep on watching her skate, because no one else does it better.
 
Yes, I noticed this too. Do you know what we could do to try to get it back up and running? There are posts going back 7 and 8 years.

The backup address in case anyone forgot: maoasada.logu2.com

It is really important that the forum is preserved for the sake of posterity. There is no comparable site, period.

The Mao Asada Forum is Mao's complete history, written by her fans as it happened.
It is the only way to know who thought what when.
 
Is www.maoasadaforum.com down? It looks like someone let the domain expire... Uh oh....

I think it's just a reverse change from this information.

"I received a notification from Forumotion that due to the forum's high activity, we might be able to receive a free forum domain.

That would mean that instead of the current address "maoasada.logu2.com" we could choose a shorter, top-level domain. Sadly, "maoasada.com", "maoasada.net" and "maoasada.org" are taken. Only "maoasada.biz" is free, but that sounds too... business-y for my ear."

http://maoasada.logu2.com/t955-2010-12-30-a-few-important-notices
 
I think it's just a reverse change from this information.

"I received a notification from Forumotion that due to the forum's high activity, we might be able to receive a free forum domain.

That would mean that instead of the current address "maoasada.logu2.com" we could choose a shorter, top-level domain. Sadly, "maoasada.com", "maoasada.net" and "maoasada.org" are taken. Only "maoasada.biz" is free, but that sounds too... business-y for my ear."

http://maoasada.logu2.com/t955-2010-12-30-a-few-important-notices

The noun SHOW BIZ has 1 sense from audioenglish.org:
1. those involved in providing entertainment: radio and television and films and theater. I don't really think this sounds too bad, especially the theater part and if there is no other choice to make it free. I often think of Mao as a fabulous dramatic actress in her performances. She even said at the Worlds Championships in 2010, "It was a huge stage unlike ordinary competition" (in reference to Vancouver) and "I want to once again appear on that stage" (in reference to the Sochi games.

About her Sochi performance:
Mao began her entrance to the triple axel by offering her open arms and palms to the audience,
lifting them dramatically like curtains slowly rising on a grand stage
to reveal the first act in a role she alone had the capacity to play.
Her unfurled arms veered left using the diagonal width of the rink as a runway.

How about using BIZ as an acronym for Beautiful Intriguing Zen to describe Mao?
 
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Sorry for my lack of talk.
That information was posted 4 years ago.
So if the forum is not active these days, it has to be got back to
the old address "maoasada.logu2.com", I guess?
 
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A big kiss and huge hug from distance to the great Mao and her fans.
All the best and a Happy New Year! :hb:Love you all! :love:
 
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