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I guess I just have to disagree. I am looking at it like this: Bells/Rach 2 are too difficult for audience/viewers to understand in 4 minutes, especially if they do not have some prior knowledge of the music and/or Ms. Asada's skating. And sometimes things outside Ms. Asada's control can happen in the arena. (see: Sochi) It is my hope she skates a program that is somewhat immune to such situations as the audience/viewers might not be fully invested in her. I firmly believe that she can spellbind audience/viewers in a matter of minutes with her skating, but I feel like Bells/Rach 2 were not such material. Maybe I am a minority in that view.

In the end it is Ms. Asada's decision and maybe she feels obligated to skate big in a big occasion like Olympics even if she is surrounded by an unappreciative bunch, in which case I have no choice but to respect that decision. I am just thinking of "what if" thing that by no means reduces her skating to less than what she has presented to us.
 
I guess I just have to disagree. I am looking at it like this: Bells/Rach 2 are too difficult for audience/viewers to understand in 4 minutes, especially if they do not have some prior knowledge of the music and/or Ms. Asada's skating. And sometimes things outside Ms. Asada's control can happen in the arena. (see: Sochi) It is my hope she skates a program that is somewhat immune to such situations as the audience/viewers might not be fully invested in her. I firmly believe that she can spellbind audience/viewers in a matter of minutes with her skating, but I feel like Bells/Rach 2 were not such material. Maybe I am a minority in that view.

In the end it is Ms. Asada's decision and maybe she feels obligated to skate big in a big occasion like Olympics even if she is surrounded by an unappreciative bunch, in which case I have no choice but to respect that decision. I am just thinking of "what if" thing that by no means reduces her skating to less than what she has presented to us.

What other programs do you like by Mao other than Por Una Cabeza? How do you think Mao's artistry, athleticism and emotional connection to audiences compares to the skaters she will compete against next season?

I really don't think that Mao should skate to something that is too similar to Bells of Moscow in the future because she has already given great performances of Bells and I would like to see her skate in different styles, just as Bells of Moscow was really different from what she had skated to before. I think the version of music chosen for Bells of Moscow was a bit difficult for a lot of people, though a lot of people gave it the highest praise. You can read comments on this website: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPL33zP1Etw

Here is one of my favorite comments: Monica Rodriguez 1 year ago
I am not a huge fan of skating but when I saw this program, I was stunned. I think skating is boring most of the time because skaters pick boring music in major chords and they're always safe and boring (redundant, I know). Mao picked such a dramatic piece and filled the room with her fire. She melds the rise and fall of the music perfectly with her artistic expression and her power moves. I really appreciate this piece. Signed, not an ice skating fan.


In addition, I think it would have been difficult for Mao to skate to Rach II if she hadn't paved the way with Bells of Moscow because many of the expressions and even the structure of the programs and the movements in the step sequences are similar. However, I still think these two pieces and performances are quite different. Bells of Moscow is tragic and almost horrifying ending in resignation, while Rach II is romantic, melancholy (at the beginning) but ending with great passion and commitment to expressing the beauty of life.


As far as Rach II at Sochi and even Worlds is concerned, I have read so many posts from people who said that it was the best program Mao had ever skated; and more that that, many said it was the first time they had ever really connected with Mao emotionally and artistically with high praise for her jumps, depth of expression and stunning step sequence. Mao underwent a "conversion" in many people's minds with her Sochi LP and even many of those who already liked her a lot.

I certainly think she did because it is number 1 on my list, but Bells of Moscow is on my list as well. As far as the audience at Sochi is concerned, they responded to Mao more than any other non-Russian skater as evidenced by the clapping during her step sequence, which the Russian pairs skating champion Maxim Trankov mentioned in his commentary. I would say that Maxim announcing live that Mao's performance was that of an Olympic champion in Russia is incredible praise. There is also this comment on youtube.

hashioki2011 wrote that the man who made this webcam of Mao Asada's LP, a Russian man named Vladimir, is not a fan of figure skating, but that he decided to film Mao's performance because he liked Rachmaninoff's music. But after watching, he was really impressed and thought Mao gave the best performance of the night. He said that Mao was not defeated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ArTNtQl9UQ

One of my favorite "conversion" posts is by Alchamei at (http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?53232-Mao-Asada-s-Best-Performances/page11) at the end of which she said, "That she finally managed to pull off one of the greatest performances I had ever witnessed. And persuade me that she is one of the greatest." The same poster Alchamei said that they didn't care about Mao's performances before she saw this one.

I just believe that no skater can ever pick music or a program that everyone will like. I also think that a great work of performance art shouldn't always focus just on what the most people like. Otherwise, the person who sold the most albums in music, for instance, would be considered the greatest artist.
 
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I just watched her performance in 2002 Japanese nationals when she was 12 years old.
We see her 3A, 3Lz-3Lo and 3F-3Lo-3T attempts. Awesome talent at such a young age. :cheer:

And here are some photos of her reactions in the kiss & cry :o:                    

Yes, this is a great performance especially for someone who is only 12 years old. The photos are adorable. My favorite is number 7. She is so happy and excited in that one. Which one do you like the best?

Here is one of my favorite performances by Mao: her Japanese National Nationals SP in 2003 when she was only 13. I really think she interprets the music beautifully with genuine expression and her balletic lines, extensions and long drawn out movements are done with loving care making the performance enchanting and emotionally compelling: filled with nostalgic wonder for childhood innocence gone by. The subtle knee bends at the end of each jump are also marvelous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVxwDIW-qzs
 
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^Thanks gotoschool, I couldn’t agree with you more. She never fails to amaze me.


Tomoko Hagiwara, who was an Olympic swimmer in Japan, tweeted about Mao.

I see the power in Mao Asada’s smile. There is the strength which she got by overcoming all her difficulties
and there also are her settled faith and determination. That’s why her smile is Shining.



I feel her big empathy towards Mao as being an elite athlete herself. :cheer2:
 
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I did not state that I disliked Asada's programs. For the record, I like all of her programs.* My argument is not about my evaluation of her athleticism or my emotional connection to her programs, but about an access by the larger public who have yet to invest in Asada's skating. What I stated was based on my hope that more people can understand and enjoy Asada's skating, not that I did not enjoy her programs. Heck I would make sure to study her programs if I am unsure of my understanding. But the reality is you cannot force average viewers who would rather watch American Idol to watch and enjoy some of the difficult programs presented by her in those fleeting minutes. Thus I do believe a program like Por Una Cabeza may be a better vehicle than a program like Rach 2 for a wider audience unless Ms. Asada has an objection on a principled basis. (For example, she might prefer skating to what she genuinely values than to resorting to what she views as cheap tactics - in that case I would support her decision no matter what, and I stated as much in my previous post)

*I do, however, confess I have had issues with a couple of her costume choices. :P
 
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Likewise, those who "agree" with gotoschool's responses to my posts are also off-base to the extent they misconstrued my argument to have anything to do with their evaluations of Ms. Asada's programs. I am sure we all read and post here because we share the love of her skating (and her programs). I never questioned that.
 
I did not state that I disliked Asada's programs. For the record, I like all of her programs.* My argument is not about my evaluation of her athleticism or my emotional connection to her programs, but about an access by the larger public who have yet to invest in Asada's skating. What I stated was based on my hope that more people can understand and enjoy Asada's skating, not that I did not enjoy her programs. Heck I would make sure to study her programs if I am unsure of my understanding. But the reality is you cannot force average viewers who would rather watch American Idol to watch and enjoy some of the difficult programs presented by her in those fleeting minutes. Thus I do believe a program like Por Una Cabeza may be a better vehicle than a program like Rach 2 for a wider audience unless Ms. Asada has an objection on a principled basis. (For example, she might prefer skating to what she genuinely values than to resorting to what she views as cheap tactics - in that case I would support her decision no matter what, and I stated as much in my previous post)

*I do, however, confess I have had issues with a couple of her costume choices. :P

It wasn't my intention to mischaracterize your arguments usethis2. I was trying to give my honest opinion given my interpretation of what you had written. I admit I should not have written "I wish you liked it better." I misinterpreted your view that Bells and Rach II were "too difficult to understand" for audiences and it was not the kind of material to help Mao spellbind audiences because it led me to believe that you felt that way too. It is now clear to me that your opinions are separate from what you feel wider audiences will think about Mao performing to these kind of compositions. I didn't think that you were suggesting that Mao should sacrifice her principles to reach a larger audience. I agree that pieces like Por Unz Cabeza would be excellent choices to help her reach an even larger audience, and I would love it if she made this one of her SP or LP programs.

I think Mao's musical choices this season represent her desire to be both popular and to have her own artistic choice: popular jazz songs ("Mir Est Tu Shein" and "Puttin on the Ritz") and "Madame Butterfly," a popular opera. Mao loves jazz dancing and took lessons during her break last season and she says how much she has longed to do Madame Butterfly, so I think she has chosen wisely. I appreciate your posts even if I disagree somewhat because it really made me think about this balancing act of appealing to audiences and producing a performance with artistic integrity.

I am not sure how audiences in the future would react to Mao skating to something like Bells of Moscow or Rach II (which I think reaches a wider audience), for example, Tchaikovsky's 1st piano concerto or Rach III. I know I would like to see her skate to such compositions, but with the introduction of lyrics, it may not be as accessible to as wide an audience or the music may viewed as too heavy by many, and Mao may not want to skate to this anyway, even if people want to hear compositions like this. I simply don't know.

But, I still think that Mao's Rach II performance has a wide appeal. There is a clip of Masquerade Waltz at Worlds with more views in Japanese, but Mao's most viewed full performance is Rach II at Sochi with over 2,100,000 views, even though it is kind of a "bootleg" copy on a small screen in Russian, which very few Japanese or English speakers understand. Another copy of Mao's Sochi LP that had over 1,000,000 views was deleted over a year ago, there are quite a few other versions with over 100,00, and one NBC version has almost 400,000 views. Furthermore, Mao skated early in Sochi and didn't receive the same publicity as the gold medal contenders. Mao was also the most tweeted athlete at Sochi.

Mao's Rach II freeskate performance at Sochi also regularly appears more often than any of her other programs in lists of top 10 favorite performances or best Olympic performances on forums, and only a couple of programs by any other skater are mentioned as often. Now this could be due more to the quality of the performance than the wide appeal of the music, but Rach II is also one of the most famous and popular piano concertos. In my opinion, it was Mao's ability to genuinely express the feeling and spirit of this beloved piece of music while putting on a dazzling athletic display on the grand Olympic stage that made the performance so impressive to so many.
 
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Bells of Moscow is my absolute favorite program of Mao's. I don't think Tarasova was a good coach for Mao when it comes to the technical stuff, and I remember reading about how Mao did not get much actual training time with her, during crucial periods. This might be a biased or misguided view - but in my mind I always feel there's so much wasted potential (Mao's technical deficiencies) stemming from her not being coached properly, from Arutunian to Tarasova.

However, I think Tarasova is a choreography genius and gives Mao the most gorgeous, classy, and UNIQUE programs. First of all, I admire the editing of the music, from Bells to Swan Lake to Piano Concerto No.2. In all of these, the segments are cut and stitched together so masterfully. The four minutes of music just flow and build to a tremendous climax and payoff. As for the choreography, I think if you get it, you just GET IT. So much buildup, so much drama and power and yet never lacking in grace or subtlety. In a class of their own, without a doubt.
 
Bells of Moscow in Vancouver Olympics is the starting point of being me as a big fan of Mao Asada, figure skating, and classical music. I was caught up by the tension and uniqueness of the choreography and the performer, without knowing the backstory of Bells of Moscow, without knowing Mao Asada, even figure skating as sports (as I am living in a tropical country). Even though she's not perfect during that moment, SHE GOT ME! After the Vancouver Olympics I decided to follow her journey till now. Its like a roller coaster ride to be a fan of her (feeling the pain while watching her failing in competitions, but I decided to still follow her because I have a faith on her). And Im happy on how she finished 2013-2014 season because Mao ended up with a smile that I missed for a long time.
 
It is great to hear your comments amazingMao and largeman about how you both were inspired by Mao's Bells of Moscow. Thanks for sharing. I know that there is some talk of Mao lacking in jumps in 2009-2010 and she did have a rough start and unfortunately hit a bad patch of ice in the Olympic LP, but honestly to me the 3 triple axels at 4CC's, the Olympics and Worlds all in a row (9 in 3 competitions) more than makes up for her not having the 3F / 3L combo that season, not to mention her great performances at Nationals in 2009. I loved the contrasting joy and desperation in Mao's SP and LP that season. I can't see urs in real time to my naked eye on the axels in any of these performances, and some of the urs calls have been openly criticized by eurosport commentators. Besides, the spirals, spins, step sequences and her dramatic expressions are performed at such an incredible level that the combined effect is overwhelming for me, as was Mao's emotional intensity and artistry that season.

Here is a very long and touching article with Tatiana Tarasova talking about Mao. I have edited the original translation quite a bit to make it easier for me to understand in English and cut out a few parts to make it shorter. It is an interview from November 2013 done for a Japanese audience.
Thanks to the original poster and translater Akira Andrea

http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/ind...ry-which-tatiana-tarasova-talked-about.89905/

Part 1: The portrait of Mao Asada by the story which Tarasova talked about.
November 12th, 2013


Photography: by Masaaki Sasaki
Coach Tatiana Tarasova
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/sports/photos/131112/oth13111203350000-p1.htm

Interviewer: by Masaaki Sasaki
■ Mao is an irreplaceable special person

"Mao has been a genius from child-hood. Her movements on the ice were splendid and her skating was flawless. She engraves all steps with a high level of difficulty, and her jumps, too, have high precision. And, above all, she was the 'musical' skater. She could express herself to any kind of program musically."

(The program which Asada is going to reveal at the free skate in the Sochi Olympics is Rachmaninoff's "Piano Concerto No. 2" choreographed by Tarasova.)

"I will not accept a performer who can't completely perform what I coach. If I hadn't discovered from childhood that Mao would become a splendid skater in the future, I wouldn't have partnered with her. Whenever I listen to the music, I can see Mao beyond the melody. Because we have partnered for many years, Mao understands how my choreography will make her perform. I can always get great satisfaction from her."

"To choreograph calls for making a costume and finding music for her. This time, I chose the musical number of Rachmaninoff which will suit her. It will become the performance which remains in the memory of everybody. Through this musical piece, she will express her entire figure skating life so far. To overcome difficulty is the theme of this program. If Mao can complete the entire performance while skating to the melody of Rachmaninoff, she will have overcome difficulty. She will express the life of a person and the life of a top-ranked skater."

"Mao is irreplaceable, a very special person. I sincerely pray that she can smile with the best smiling face in the Olympics.
If she is in good condition as she usually is and she has prepared thoroughly, she will leave with a good result. As for anything else, God only knows what will happen in the future.

Part 2: The portrait of Mao Asada by the story which Tarasova talked about.
November 13th, 2013

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/sports/news/131113/oth13111303070000-n1.htm

(In The Grand Prix Final which was held in Tokyo in December in 2005, Tarasova was shocked by the skating of Mao Asada overcoming Russian Irina Slutskaya who was the Worlds champion: a 15 years old girl won the championship there.)

"In that season, Slutskaya was in very good condition. Winning the championship in every event, she had gotten a record score. Mao was approaching Slutskaya technically, too. It was skating which transcends her generation."

Sochi will practically be the third Olympics for Mao. As for the time in Turin, she was only a few months from reaching qualification age. At that time, I proposed, saying "They should make her participate in the Olympics" to the person concerned. Because I state my opinion clearly, I said "Age is unrelated". But, she wasn't admitted.

“Although she was defeated in the Grand Prix Final, Slutskaya didn't show that she was in a despondent state in Turin. However, when I think as someone who has coached Slutskaya, I think that there was a psychological influence on her. She could not block it out. Mao defeated Slutskaya.”

(Beginning in the 2007/2008 season, Mao received genuine coaching from Tarasova. It polished her expressive ability and artistic skills, moreover.)

“When Mao was coached by someone else, I choreographed the music of the short program for her. After I had spent time working with Mao for several weeks, I got a telephone call from the coach, saying, 'Mao seems to have become a different person'. Mao is a practice-aholic. By performing like male skaters, she expanded my image as a coach.
 
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Part 3: The portrait of Mao Asada by the story which Tarasova talked about.
November 14th, 2013


Interviewer: By Masaaki Sasaki
■ Mao, fall in love.
(Aiming at Vancouver Olympics in 2010, Mao Asada partnered with Tarasova. In the living room, the teacher-pupil relationship between them used to become a popular topic of conversation. Tarasova sent advice to Asada then, namely, she said, "Mao, fall in love".)

“It is so-called love to continue to think seriously about someone. Love leads to some change and gives some inspiration. It reanimates oneself. It makes power pervade. Love is the most splendid thing that exists in this world.”

(Tarasova encouraged Asada all the time. She hugged Mao even in the presence of other people who won with a high score in an event.)

"I tuned in to Mao all the time. Therefore, a word wasn't necessary just before the competition. I gazed into her eyes and grasped her hand. Sometimes, I spoke a short word to her. It was only one word. It was very few words that I spoke through an interpreter at a rink. When I would like to speak a word to her, I learned the word in Japanese. Mao felt what I would like to say and understood it."

(In the Vancouver Olympics, 3 years before which they wrestled absorbedly with, Asada won the silver medal)

"She succeeded in landing the triple axel jump once in the short program and twice in the free skate. It was not the level which Ladies can do. The situation of Mao's practice was what really surprised me. There were few mistakes and the preparations to land it three times in the Olympics were completed. This is the record which no man has been able to reach and it will not be broken for many long years from now on, too."

“On the day before the free skate, I thought that she needed to rest. But, I couldn't cancel the practice because there was the request, too, from a Japanese person concerned. As a result, Mao made a mistake in the second half because she ran out of energy during her free skate due to fatigue. I think that there was enough of a chance that she could win in the games. After the Olympics, I retreated from the post of coach because there was a responsibility for me, too, who couldn't cancel the practice the day before the free skate.”

(Asada who left Tarasova after the Vancouver Olympics fell into a slump. In December 2011, her mother Kyoko who had supported the competitive life of Asada passed away.)

“Mao was together with her mother whenever she came to Moscow and I met her mother with reverence. She was moderate, was very intelligent and was the person who gave Mao power.”
“Kyoko gave me a letter before passing away. It was written with words of gratitude but it wasn't touched with even one word about a disease. Later, I found that this letter had been the sentences written by a person who suffered under a long illness. She was a really strong person mentally. The death of her mother was a huge tragedy for Mao. Then, I, too, left from Mao. We were a source of energy for Mao. Therefore, I could also understand why Mao fell into a slump.


Part 4: The portrait of Mao Asada by the story which Tarasova talked about.
November 15th, 2013

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/sports/news/131115/oth13111503030000-n1.htm


It will be over ten years since Tarasova began to watch the talent of Mao.)

“Mao is already 23 years old, isn&#8217isn't she? She has continued to compete for over ten years in the front of the sports world. It's no piece of cake to stay in the best condition for such a long period. Losing a darling mother in this period, Mao received a big shock. Nevertheless, she always participated in events all over the world and maintained her position as a top-ranked skater.”

“It is great. Mao presently gazes at her own past once more and must display a performance that restores everything. It is difficult but she can do it. This is because she is a person that never neglects to put forth an effort and who continues to grow.”

(In April this year, Asada decided that she would finish her competitive career after this season. She revealed her inmost feelings, saying, "As a culmination of my skating life, I would like to give my best performance in the Sochi Olympics".)

“As for a so-called career, there is no end. Our skating life doesn't finish. Mao finishes life as an eligible skater and only shifts to another stage. She will surely perform in ice shows all over the world. It is as if she makes her own theater. It will become a big experience for her.”

(Before getting the gold medal which is her earnest wish, the rivals lie ahead. Tarasova disclosed that she is conscious of Yu-Na Kim of Korea, too.)

“After Vancouver Olympics, I think that she needed to take a long rest. Yes, it's like Yu-Na Kim. She interrupted her participation in competition for over 1.5 years. I think that it was necessary to give the mind a rest, for Mao, too. It was a big tragedy for her to have lost her mother. There was the alternative in which she would have participated only in big events, such as Worlds, after the Olympics, too. In that case, she wouldn't have participated in other events. Her competition schedule might have been planned by mistake. If I would have planned it, I would have released her from competition.”

("I defend Mao all the time.")

“I think about Mao even when she isn't near because she participated in events with a costume that I presented to her last season, a 'costume with feathers,' which seems to suit her program, "Swan Lake".
I like her performance very much. If she could continue to win, the programs I choreograph will also be victorious.”

(Tarasova spared the time for this interview, saying, "To pay tribute to Japan which is Mao's homeland". When I asked her to "Please give Mao advice, ", she answered as follows after being silent for a moment.)

“Mao! Recall that time when you successfully landed that triple axel twice in the free skate. Recall that time when you achieved what no one else can do. Then, risk all for your goal.”

The end.
 
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Thanks gotoschool for sharing on here the touching article with Tarasova.

Mao faced up and decided to come back to competitions, she would remembered her strong words once again, then.

“Mao! Recall that time when you succeeded in doing that triple axel jump twice in the free skate. Recall that time when you achieved what no one can do. Then, risk all for the purpose.”

Go Mao! :cheer2:
 
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