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chuckm said:
Borodulin's non jump elements were at 5, 9, 10, 12 and 13
Rippon's non jump elements were at 5, 6, 7, 12 and 13.
Rippon had a well-balanced program. Borodulin did not.
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Recently we're getting lots of programs choreographed to have the jumps laid out during the 1st minute and the 3rd minute, with the rest of the elements spread out in the 2nd minute and last minute. It is just a variation of the front-loading you used to see in the old system, adjusted for CoP to garner the 10% bonus after the half-way mark. This IMO does not translate into "well-balanced" but is rather a strategical formula, and who knows more about strategy than Morozov. Take a look at Takahashi and Ando and you'll find those same "well-balanced" programs with little connection to the music.
 
Hsuhs said:
3x 2A as an indicator of a well-balanced program? Well, I guess, balance is in the eye of the beholder then.

And there were so many more "little" things....
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You are right. It is necessary to change the regulations. 2A should be limited too.
 
oleada said:
He had level 3 for both sequences in the JGP Bulgaria (where he beat Rippon), so I think his injury might have had something to do with it.

And I agree, his triple axel was gorgeous.
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The thing is too, Artem is a lot younger than Rippon. Artem was born in 1994, and Rippon was born in 1989, and Artem has already surpassed Rippon technically and I think they are close skating skills wise.

If Adam wants to be competitive with the seniors he'll need a triple axel (at the very least if not more)... This could easily be the case of who beat Tara Lipiniski at Junior worlds. Artem is very, very, very young.
 
The ISU-biography says that Artem was born 3/9/1989 - he is even older than Rippon. Everything else would have shocked me - physically he looked much older than most of the skaters.

But Rippon did a Salchow after the second double Axel, didn't he? Why doesn't it show up in his protocol? I am 80% sure that he did a jump (probably the Triple Salchow) after the weird step-out on his 2nd double Axel - and than did another double Axel... Just checked my notes (had them on paper) - he did the Salchow inbetween those two Axels. Let's say I am 89% sure.
 
Indeed, Artem Borodulin IS older than Adam Rippon. Artem turns 19 next month, and this was his last year of Junior eligibility.

Adam was 18 in November and still has another year of Junior eligibility.

Adam DID do a salchow, but he took too many steps between the 2A and the 3S, so the 3S didn't count. But because he attempted to do the 2A as part of a sequence, he did get credit for the final 2A.
 
Medusa said:
But Rippon did a Salchow after the second double Axel, didn't he? Why doesn't it show up in his protocol? I am 80% sure that he did a jump (probably the Triple Salchow) after the weird step-out on his 2nd double Axel - and than did another double Axel... Just checked my notes (had them on paper) - he did the Salchow inbetween those two Axels. Let's say I am 89% sure.
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Starting this season, the definition of a jump sequence has become more strict, and you cannot have turns or steps in-between. When this happens, the second jump is ignored and is called and calculated as 1ST JUMP+SEQ. However in the short program, when some skaters have similar problems with their required jump combination it ends up as 1ST JUMP+COMBO.
 
I agree that Mroz was underscored, for sure. I was very surprised with his low tech score, at least. But that boy needs some sort of change--he doesn't have a clue what to do with his arms, but he has a lot of potential!

I also somewhat agree that Rippon was overscored in the tech. His jumps were much less confident than at Nats and he looked tight. But Brodulin (sp) really didn't have the artistry to measure up. I know I'm very biased, but Adam is the clear winner.
 
luckyguy said:
"Only" 3? That´s the problem.
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I think the reason for allowing 3 double Axels is so that the top ladies can do two triple-triples and still have something to do in their last couple of passes within the Zayak restrictions. It also helps ladies who don't have a full complement of triples.
 
What's with all these ladies references??? How insulting, given it's a Men's LP thread! :sheesh:
 
Am I the only one who thinks Mroz was not underscored? He has good jumps but his presentation skills are weak. Imo, he skated through the program, and it was not a very interesting program at that. He seemed to lack speed as well. Honestly, it felt very, very long.
 
Brandi_DeLain said:
Adam is a very polished skater and an absolute joy to watch. His spins and footwork are great, as are his jumps. When he starts landing the 3A in competition -- look out!

My impression (and I watched the entire men's competition on ice network) is that Adam looked like a senior skater (minus the 3A) among juniors. He has a smoothness that is pleasing to the eye -- no herky-jerky movements or awkward, wooden positions. I'm very happy that the judges rewarded a well-rounded skater as opposed to one with just a couple of big tricks but very little in the way of connecting elements. That is just my opinion, of course.

Congrats, Adam!!! :clap:
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Adam has Morozov arms which he didn't have when I first saw him 3 years ago. I called him a Johnny clone then but Morozov has changed that, and, in fact Johnny has changed too - unfortunately.

If you look at the program again, and remember you are listenting to Moonlight music, Adam will throw up his arms (why?) after every trick? Is he selling that to the audience a la Plushenko? If so, I am not buying. I suppose most judges buy it but it's so subjective and so anti-lyrical.

However, he does earn points legitimately, and I am not complaining about that.

Joe
 
The competition is over!!! But I do think about some of the skaters that go beyond the scores they received.

Brezina is the most musical skater of the bunch, and he has high tech. He'll be amazing soon.

The other Czech: Strobyl with his quiet landings on good jumps

China's Chao Yang great posture, flow with controlled arms. clean jumps, great sitspins but no camels.

Ukrainian Gondar(sp) a very talented skater. hope he gets someone to work with him.

Spain's Fernandez - who'd thunk it? The guy is very promising. Nice to have a Spaniard in the mix.

France's Lucine(sp) -another surprise. tentative but if he speeds it up, he'll be up there in the mix.

Joe
 
Canada's berths for men were down to 2 now.


  • Jeremy Ten did not too badly in his first Junior Worlds.

  • Kevin Reynolds, too bad that he was so far down in SP. I hope he re-groups and comes back strong next season. Remember Kevin, Plushy, who had little to no connections to the music, became a Olympics champion. You can do it man!

  • Balde, shocker, shocker, shocker. Did he choke at his first big international competition?
 
Joesitz said:
The competition is over!!! But I do think about some of the skaters that go beyond the scores they received.

Brezina is the most musical skater of the bunch, and he has high tech. He'll be amazing soon.

The other Czech: Strobyl with his quiet landings on good jumps

China's Chao Yang great posture, flow with controlled arms. clean jumps, great sitspins but no camels.

Ukrainian Gondar(sp) a very talented skater. hope he gets someone to work with him.

Spain's Fernandez - who'd thunk it? The guy is very promising. Nice to have a Spaniard in the mix.

France's Lucine(sp) -another surprise. tentative but if he speeds it up, he'll be up there in the mix.

Joe
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Joe, what did you think of Amodio (France)? I liked him a lot.
 
Did we see the future champions? I think yes. The best potential have Mroz, Brezina, Reynolds and Schultheiss. Their technical level is impressive.

Rippon? Maybe the new Johnny Weir. But Johnny (also a world junior champion) was much better at his age. His technical level is too low.

Borodulin? Maybe the new Griazev (also a world junior champion), but not more.
 
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