Mens' LP

[Buttercup]

LOL. Are we going to see coach change?

I hope not, but they seemed not to be communicating in the K&C.

Mathman suggested earlier there may have been a conditioning problem, and I agree that Brian looked relatively slow and not that energetic. Maybe this is due to missing training time with the tendinitis? I hope Brian has learned from this and will come back better than ever in 2009-10. Or will we be seeing him at the World Team thing?

I would love to see Denis Ten's skate. Hopefully I'll be able to catch it on ES at some point.

Nathacha, thanks for the translation. There have been reports that TaT told Brian he shouldn't have changed his program in mid-season but from what I see that's not what she said. I wonder if he'll keep this LP and just tinker with it? Or drop it and keep Rise another season?

 

[roots]

Now that would be competition worth watching. Not that off-rink girly bickering ala Patrick Chan.

Obvious you have it in for the guy, that just by reading all your posts in this thread. Any chance you can write one post without putting him down or Candians??

 

[Danale]

Here's an interview in L'equipe that I've translated as best as I can, alhtough my tranbslating skills are about as good as Brian's calculating skills! Ok, maybe not that bad...

Thanks for that (the article and the good laugh)!

 

[figuristka]

WOW, I´m very glad for Lysacek´s win!!! He is such a wonderful competitor, rises to the occasion and delivers when it´s really needed. Fortunately Morz skated well enough to ensure 3 places for USA in OG.... Abbott failed to do his job, the curse of being the US champion at Worlds? And soo many people had written Lysacek off, hihi, I´m looking forward to next Hersh article. Tarasova´s "Rhapsody in Blue" choreography was lucky for Kulik, now for Lysacek, also. Anyway, I hope very much that no more Tarasova choreography and costumes for Evan!!!

I felt sorry for Joubert, could not believe my eyes as I saw him having such an awful fall in double axelof all jumps, LOL.

Thanks Jaana for the tv schedule. Can't believe i didn't hear the alarm and slept thought it. Really didn't want to miss it. Iam hoping later its on again but it might be ladies short at 16:30 in the earlier group? i will check and see then i see its on again at 22:05. For ladies i will have to either get up to watch or set 3 alarms lol.

 

[skatingbc]

Why didn't you do the two quads planned?

I told myself that with a clean program, with all the levels, a quad, two 3A and a 3-3 combo, it was enough to be world champ. But I had always trained in Poitiers with the aim of doing two quads in the FP. And here for tactical reasons we decided to do just one. It's a mistake and TT told me so [backstage]: Never change your program. I could have made a mistake on the 4S, it would have ok all the same because I wouldn't have been destabilised because of it. I was set to this program and I shouldn't have changed it.

I think his comments here are very interesting. For someone who goes on and on about the importance of quads, he waters down his program to only do one? I don't think the "do enough to win" mentality works for him at all. I think he should take a "go all out" approach. I think in general, it would be much more beneficial.

I read in an article a little while ago that Patrick Chan had landed a quad in practice before. Here's hoping he puts one in his Olympic programs. I would think that would be a goal of his for next season.

 

[Buttercup]

Originally Posted by Jaana
WOW, I´m very glad for Lysacek´s win!!! He is such a wonderful competitor, rises to the occasion and delivers when it´s really needed. Fortunately Morz skated well enough to ensure 3 places for USA in OG.... Abbott failed to do his job, the curse of being the US champion at Worlds? And soo many people had written Lysacek off, hihi, I´m looking forward to next Hersh article.

I wouldn't if I were you - when has Hersh ever admitted that he's wrong?

Actually, one interesting point here is that when he interviewed Joubert last week, Brian named Evan as the biggest threat, and I don't recall Phil being snarky or dismissive of the possiblity. And as it turns out, Joubert was right! (I think I wrote something about this earlier in the thread).

 

[antmanb]

Actually, one interesting point here is that when he interviewed Joubert last week, Brian named Evan as the biggest threat, and I don't recall Phil being snarky or dismissive of the possiblity. And as it turns out, Joubert was right! (I think I wrote something about this earlier in the thread).

Baby steps i guess! Lets just hope the ladies do something right and then he'll have no choice but to write a positive article.

Also Buttercup - about your johnny thoughts, he "officially" ended the snarking with Lysacek after nationals and told his fans to cheer on Lysacek at worlds. I think it was in the interview before his Poker Face exhibition at New York fashion week.

Ant

 

[ballerynna]

Crappy day at work but made better with the news, not that I liked Evan Lysacek much but it is an interesting result.

And I didn't know Brian worked with Tarasova, unless I'm reading it wrong

 

[hongligl]

The highlight for me is that I discovered my new favorate: Denis Ten!!! First time watching him skating and I'm a fan now! Digged out his SP first thing in the morning and loved him even more

I hope he'll get a quad soon! A real gem!

 

[Buttercup]

Baby steps i guess! Lets just hope the ladies do something right and then he'll have no choice but to write a positive article.

Hersh has an article up, but it's a straightforward report, not an opinion piece.

Also Buttercup - about your johnny thoughts, he "officially" ended the snarking with Lysacek after nationals and told his fans to cheer on Lysacek at worlds. I think it was in the interview before his Poker Face exhibition at New York fashion week.

I noticed he'd become more complimentary of Evan in recent months, and vice versa. I guess those two just grew out of it.

 

[bekalc]

Sigh, Joubert. I totally agree that playing it safe does not work for Joubert... And he needs to cut it out. Going all out in the short program has won him every short program this season except for the short program in France where he had "his fluke."

But he cannot seem to take the same wisdom he uses in the short program and transfer it into the long. He needs to stop skating to lose. I don't think Joubert needs 3 quads to win. That could be saved for "worst case scenario." But with two quads and two triple axels in his long program and decent levels. Joubert could freakin dominate men. Why leave it up to the judges buddy?

He should think about 2 quads in this way. He may make a mistake later on his program, and so having the second quad is a "buffer."

And if he totally messes up, at least he would have the satisfication of knowing that he did his freaking best. It's funny with the loss to Buttle in someways three quads would have been "hail Mary from Joubert anyways due to how far behind Joubert was.' But this competition, Joubert should have won, Period.

Better this happens to him at Worlds than at the Olympics.

 

[figuristka]

One thing i hope is that with Evan winning it helps bring back some popularity in the USA for figure skating, although they always consider the ladies as being the most popular. When its Olympics they will make a big thing about it being between Evan and Patrick USA and Canada like way back in 88.

 

[DarkestMoon]

TES should have been even lower. The only part agree with is that his Transition point should have been higher but that still doesn't give those mammoth scores he is getting. CORRUPT JUDGING!!!

Transitions give +GOEs. Why is that so hard to understand? It's even listed in the code. Why do you think YuNa scores at least 5 points or more (out of the base value of 3.3) on her ina-bauer 2A (when she did it)?

This isn't corrupt judging. They're going but what is listed. Patrick had good air on some of his jumps, which also adds to +GOEs. GOEs can make or break programs. Of the top 3, Chan has the best skating skills, so he should be getting high PCs on that as well.

I just do not understand what is the point of transitions if there is nowhere to transition to?

Into and/or out of jumps. For example, Kozuka does an outside spread eagle into a triple loop.

 

[jennylovskt]

Are we facing a real danger of having a quad-less Olympic Champion next year?

 

[eleonora.d]

I am glad that after unfairy judging of the men's Sp, the best has won.
I am not american nor USA-lover but it was very touching and excting watching Evan win in front of his home crowd and I can't recall anyone else exulting during a spin (except for Tomas joking on a spin during a GP event but that was quite different).

 

[DarkestMoon]

I am glad that after unfairy judging of the men's Sp, the best has won.
I am not american nor USA-lover but it was very touching and excting watching Evan win in front of his home crowd and I can't recall anyone else exulting during a spin (except for Tomas joking on a spin during a GP event but that was quite different).

Maybe it was to make up for not spazzing on his two footwork steps? Just kidding!

 

[jennylovskt]

2007-2008
GPF Champion-Lambiel
European Champion-Verner
4CC Champion-Dai
Worlds Champion-Buttle

2008-2009
GPF Champion-Abott
European Champion-Brian
4CC Champion-Chan
World Champion-Evan

2 years , 8 different champions. The mens field is so diverse and deep. Will we have 4 different champions next year.

Diverse - yes. Deep - technically, no. The men's skating is going backwards.

 

[DarkestMoon]

Diverse - yes. Deep - technically, no. The men's skating is going backwards.

I agree when Mathman said the nature of this CoP nitpicks on every aspect of the program, which I do agree with when it's done correctly. 3-3s are practically becoming obsolete in Ladies skating because regardless of whose doing them, they're not being ratified consistently.

 

[museksk8r]

I'm confused about some things with Jeremy Abbott's protocols. On his 2nd 3Axel attempt with the 2toe combination, he completed 3Axel(turn out but no step in between)+2toe, yet he was credited for a sequence. Then why did Evan Lysacek get credit for a combination when he had the same type of error at the 2008 US National Championships? I just reviewed my DVD copy of those Nationals and compared it to what I recorded of Jeremy at Worlds, and Evan's turn outs are much more faulty than Jeremy's was. Remember the two jump combinations, 4toe+3toe and 3Axel+2toe that Lysacek did at those Nationals . . . both were counted as combinations, not sequences, even though he had turn outs with no step in between the two jumps. Is this a result of too relaxed calls from the technical specialists at Nationals and too strict calling at Worlds? Also, Abbott's 2nd 3Lutz was no more than a 1/4 turn short on rotation, yet he was downgraded. This is so confusing to me as I've watched these jump passes in slow motion several times, and I'm still asking why?

ETA: Okay, I just reviewed Jeremy again, and now I see that his free foot from the landing of the 1st jump came down when he turned out, and that makes the jump pass a sequence. Oops! My bad on that element, but I'm still about that 2nd 3Lutz.

 

[Danale]

Are the protocols for the LP up somewhere?
If so, can someone post the link please?