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1 Daisuke TAKAHASHI JPN 88.57 48.74 39.83 8.00 7.68 8.11 8.00 8.04 0.00 #19
2 Evan LYSACEK USA 84.06 46.06 38.00 7.75 7.29 7.71 7.50 7.75 0.00 #16
3 Jeffrey BUTTLE CAN 83.85 45.85 38.00 7.61 7.32 7.64 7.68 7.75 0.00 #13
4 Stephen CARRIERE USA 74.08 40.12 33.96 6.68 6.64 6.89 6.89 6.86 0.00 #18
5 Chengjiang LI CHN 72.25 38.78 33.47 7.04 6.50 6.75 6.64 6.54 0.00 #17
6 Vaughn CHIPEUR CAN 70.83 38.05 32.78 6.64 6.39 6.57 6.50 6.68 0.00 #12
7 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN 67.48 36.20 32.28 6.71 6.32 6.43 6.46 6.36 1.00 #14
8 Jialiang WU CHN 64.35 33.07 31.28 6.57 6.11 6.21 6.21 6.18 0.00 #21
9 Jeremy ABBOTT USA 60.87 29.22 33.65 6.71 6.61 6.54 6.79 7.00 2.00 #20
10 Shawn SAWYER CAN 60.79 29.10 32.69 6.61 6.36 6.61 6.54 6.57 1.00 #15
11 Kensuke NAKANIWA JPN 55.82 27.36 28.46 5.89 5.39 5.75 5.79 5.64 0.00 #11
12 Ming XU CHN 49.08 24.44 24.64 5.14 4.75 4.89 4.93 4.93 0.00 #6
13 Abzal RAKIMGALIEV KAZ 43.17 22.99 21.18 4.43 4.00 4.39 4.18 4.18 1.00 #4
14 Tristan THODE NZL 42.16 22.98 19.18 4.00 3.61 3.86 3.89 3.82 0.00 #8
15 Nicholas FERNANDEZ AUS 41.14 22.50 18.64 3.89 3.57 3.82 3.68 3.68 0.00 #1
16 Luis HERNANDEZ MEX 39.39 17.36 22.03 4.57 4.14 4.36 4.46 4.50 0.00 #10
17 Kevin ALVES BRA 37.05 19.76 18.29 3.61 3.54 3.71 3.68 3.75 1.00 #9
18 Justin PIETERSEN RSA 36.39 17.93 18.46 3.82 3.43 3.68 3.82 3.71 0.00 #2
19 Joel WATSON NZL 35.02 16.41 18.61 3.86 3.54 3.68 3.82 3.71 0.00 #7
20 Humberto CONTRERAS MEX 34.20 15.95 18.25 3.61 3.54 3.64 3.75 3.71 0.00 #5
21 Robert MCNAMARA AUS 32.42 13.89 18.53 3.75 3.46 3.71 3.79 3.82 0.00 #3
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SO HUGE SCORES!!!
I can't believe my eyes!!
2 Evan LYSACEK USA 84.06 46.06 38.00 7.75 7.29 7.71 7.50 7.75 0.00 #16
3 Jeffrey BUTTLE CAN 83.85 45.85 38.00 7.61 7.32 7.64 7.68 7.75 0.00 #13
4 Stephen CARRIERE USA 74.08 40.12 33.96 6.68 6.64 6.89 6.89 6.86 0.00 #18
5 Chengjiang LI CHN 72.25 38.78 33.47 7.04 6.50 6.75 6.64 6.54 0.00 #17
6 Vaughn CHIPEUR CAN 70.83 38.05 32.78 6.64 6.39 6.57 6.50 6.68 0.00 #12
7 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN 67.48 36.20 32.28 6.71 6.32 6.43 6.46 6.36 1.00 #14
8 Jialiang WU CHN 64.35 33.07 31.28 6.57 6.11 6.21 6.21 6.18 0.00 #21
9 Jeremy ABBOTT USA 60.87 29.22 33.65 6.71 6.61 6.54 6.79 7.00 2.00 #20
10 Shawn SAWYER CAN 60.79 29.10 32.69 6.61 6.36 6.61 6.54 6.57 1.00 #15
11 Kensuke NAKANIWA JPN 55.82 27.36 28.46 5.89 5.39 5.75 5.79 5.64 0.00 #11
12 Ming XU CHN 49.08 24.44 24.64 5.14 4.75 4.89 4.93 4.93 0.00 #6
13 Abzal RAKIMGALIEV KAZ 43.17 22.99 21.18 4.43 4.00 4.39 4.18 4.18 1.00 #4
14 Tristan THODE NZL 42.16 22.98 19.18 4.00 3.61 3.86 3.89 3.82 0.00 #8
15 Nicholas FERNANDEZ AUS 41.14 22.50 18.64 3.89 3.57 3.82 3.68 3.68 0.00 #1
16 Luis HERNANDEZ MEX 39.39 17.36 22.03 4.57 4.14 4.36 4.46 4.50 0.00 #10
17 Kevin ALVES BRA 37.05 19.76 18.29 3.61 3.54 3.71 3.68 3.75 1.00 #9
18 Justin PIETERSEN RSA 36.39 17.93 18.46 3.82 3.43 3.68 3.82 3.71 0.00 #2
19 Joel WATSON NZL 35.02 16.41 18.61 3.86 3.54 3.68 3.82 3.71 0.00 #7
20 Humberto CONTRERAS MEX 34.20 15.95 18.25 3.61 3.54 3.64 3.75 3.71 0.00 #5
21 Robert MCNAMARA AUS 32.42 13.89 18.53 3.75 3.46 3.71 3.79 3.82 0.00 #3
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SO HUGE SCORES!!!
I can't believe my eyes!!
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1. Daisuke Takahashi
3f-3t, 3a, 3lz - everything clean, amazing score without quad, amazing points for PCS
- 88.57
I didn't see it, but his SP is the best for me this season
2. Evan Lysacek
4t-3t, 3a, 3l - everything clean (finally did the quad clean) - 84.04
3. Jeffrey Buttle
3f-3t, 3a, 3l (twofooted) - everything almost clean
- 83.85
I can't wait to see it! It looks like amazing fight!!!
3f-3t, 3a, 3lz - everything clean, amazing score without quad, amazing points for PCS
- 88.57 I didn't see it, but his SP is the best for me this season
2. Evan Lysacek
4t-3t, 3a, 3l - everything clean (finally did the quad clean
) - 84.043. Jeffrey Buttle
3f-3t, 3a, 3l (twofooted) - everything almost clean
- 83.85I can't wait to see it! It looks like amazing fight!!!
1 Daisuke TAKAHASHI JPN 88.57
2 Evan LYSACEK USA 84.06
3 Jeffrey BUTTLE CAN 83.85
4 Stephen CARRIERE USA 74.08
5 Chengjiang LI CHN 72.25
6 Vaughn CHIPEUR CAN 70.83
7 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN 67.48
8 Jialiang WU CHN 64.35
9 Jeremy ABBOTT USA 60.87
10 Shawn SAWYER CAN 60.79
11 Kensuke NAKANIWA JPN 55.82
12 Ming XU CHN 49.08
13 Abzal RAKIMGALIEV KAZ 43.17
14 Tristan THODE NZL 42.16
15 Nicholas FERNANDEZ AUS 41.14
16 Luis HERNANDEZ MEX 39.39
17 Kevin ALVES BRA 37.05
18 Justin PIETERSEN RSA 36.39
19 Joel WATSON NZL 35.02
20 Humberto CONTRERAS MEX 34.20
21 Robert MCNAMARA AUS 32.42
The TES was so high...............
2 Evan LYSACEK USA 84.06
3 Jeffrey BUTTLE CAN 83.85
4 Stephen CARRIERE USA 74.08
5 Chengjiang LI CHN 72.25
6 Vaughn CHIPEUR CAN 70.83
7 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN 67.48
8 Jialiang WU CHN 64.35
9 Jeremy ABBOTT USA 60.87
10 Shawn SAWYER CAN 60.79
11 Kensuke NAKANIWA JPN 55.82
12 Ming XU CHN 49.08
13 Abzal RAKIMGALIEV KAZ 43.17
14 Tristan THODE NZL 42.16
15 Nicholas FERNANDEZ AUS 41.14
16 Luis HERNANDEZ MEX 39.39
17 Kevin ALVES BRA 37.05
18 Justin PIETERSEN RSA 36.39
19 Joel WATSON NZL 35.02
20 Humberto CONTRERAS MEX 34.20
21 Robert MCNAMARA AUS 32.42
The TES was so high...............
...has anyone besides Plushenko scored that high before? I think everyone's marks were a little high, but even so, we may have a new world champion.
I feel pain for Jeremy. It's not even go to be very easy for him to do his usual climbing; he'd need to pull out all the stops or hopes someone melts down to get up for than two spots now, I think.
I feel pain for Jeremy. It's not even go to be very easy for him to do his usual climbing; he'd need to pull out all the stops or hopes someone melts down to get up for than two spots now, I think.
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Congratulations to Jeffrey! Wish him to have a great LP! Takahashi's win is expected.
No, this is the best since the Plushenko's 90.00 at OG....
this is crazy! I think, Takahashi is stronger than ever this season and as you can see stronger than the others
...and without quad...I didn't trust johnny weir, when he said, that it's possible to beat the others without it...but as we can see IT IS!
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Takahashi's PCS aren't higher than normal, he got just 0.7points more than he got at the GPF. His TES is really high, probably everything level four plus huge GOE, he got 4 points more in TES than at the GPF (where every jump got at least 1.2 + GOE) - that made the difference today.
What makes me feel queasy is that Lysacek got the same PCS as Buttle... Are Buttle's skating skills really 0.14 inferior to Lysacek's? Or is that the Quad-effect? I have no problem with Lysacek getting good marks for performance/execution and for my sake even interpretation - but Buttle's skating skills are about a point above Lysacek's (of course, my humble opinion).
What makes me feel queasy is that Lysacek got the same PCS as Buttle... Are Buttle's skating skills really 0.14 inferior to Lysacek's? Or is that the Quad-effect? I have no problem with Lysacek getting good marks for performance/execution and for my sake even interpretation - but Buttle's skating skills are about a point above Lysacek's (of course, my humble opinion).
I agree it is weird that Evan and Jeff received the same PCS mark. Guess the judges see something that I don't. Jeff looks so easy and light in his program while Evan really seems to be wroking at it. Shouldn't this show up in the marks! The PCS marks are really getting to be a joke in all disciplines; mens, ladies, pairs and dance. The judges have found the way of holding up the skaters they want even when they don't deliver with the Tec scores. Seems like they over mark the PCS marks when their favs have errors. Not saying that happened here but they are holding the top 3 close to set up a fight in the Free Skate.
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I don't get this. 88 something without a quad?????
And a skater with a quad scores 4 points below.
Also, how are Jeff's and Evan's PC so similar? Jeff is art on ice, Evan is flailing arms on ice. lol
And a skater with a quad scores 4 points below.
Also, how are Jeff's and Evan's PC so similar? Jeff is art on ice, Evan is flailing arms on ice. lol
I agree about this - Stephane and Evan have both said the quad should be worth more. ITA with them.
I'd amend that to say Evan is passion on ice. Artistry is a matter of style. I'd say Evan has both - passion, and artistry. His is different than Jeff's. IMHO.
Much as I love Takahashi, did Lysachek get especially low levels on other elements, because obviously his jump content was the most difficult of the top three and he's barely ahead of Buttle, and this is the technical program. I'm thrilled to see Buttle performed well here. The LP will be the real test though. I want to see a clean performance.
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1. Daisuke Takahashi
3f-3t, 3a, 3lz - everything clean, amazing score without quad, amazing points for PCS
I didn't see it, but his SP is the best for me this season
2. Evan Lysacek
4t-3t, 3a, 3l - everything clean (finally did the quad clean
3. Jeffrey Buttle
3f-3t, 3a, 3l (twofooted) - everything almost clean
I can't wait to see it! It looks like amazing fight!!!
These marks must be personal best internationally for all three skaters. I know for sure it is for Jeff. And what is even nicer is that these three skaters beat out the Europeans' Mens' short program marks. If these three can keep it up all the way through Worlds, they will be the medallists at 2008 Worlds.
Jeff must have been smiling ear to ear after his horrible Grand Prix season. I wonder if Jeff would have beat out Evan by a hair had he not two footed a landing? It took Evan doing the quad to slip by Jeff. They are only .21 marks appart.
Whoever keeps it together of the three in the freeskate will be the Gold medallist at 4CC. And I can't see anyone other than the three of them getting on the podium. Which order? I don't know. Even if Jeff only gets the bronze here, he's still come a long way since 2006 Worlds when he began his back injury.
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I noticed the very small difference between Lysacek and Buttle too - perhaps Lysacek's Axel was downgraded once again? Did anybody watch it? Did it look scratchy? I am not Lysacek's biggest fan, but his footwork and spins are really good - I can't imagine that Buttle got so much more for those.
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You are forgetting that the TES marks aren't just made with the jumps but include spins and footwork.
When you get to see the total break down, you'll see that Jeff's spins and footwork are at a higher level than Evan's which can make up for not doing a quad combo jump.
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And that's not true. They get the same levels, this season Lysacek had always one more level 4-element than Buttle in his SP. Buttle got level 3 on all his spins and footwork at Cup of Russia, at Skate Canada he had one spin level 4. Lysacek has always two level 4 spins and only once got level 2 on his circular step sequence.
Perhaps Lysacek skated really sloppy and didn't get GOE, botched up a spin or had no drive... Still, my guess is that he messed up the Axel and underrotated it.
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Oh please. Evan was so robbed. that SP was perfect. That was the best quad triple he did all season. nice 3 axel... just great. I hope he can repeat at worlds!
