But Abbott fell, and got 2 points higher in PCS than Kozuka. Kozuka fell at Trophy Bombard and got higher PCS there too for his short. So there's more to it than this.
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But Abbott fell, and got 2 points higher in PCS than Kozuka. Kozuka fell at Trophy Bombard and got higher PCS there too for his short. So there's more to it than this.
poor ODA, 6th after SP, exactly the same position as Mao. These two are using the same music of Masquerade. Isn't the theme about a cheating wife and teh jealousy hubby? I can't help picturing the scenario of angry Oda chasing Mao on the ice, Mao running for her life...
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Pressure is off, he can't win this anymore, unless he puts the Quad in... Should be a great Abbott performance!I'm going to be watching Abbott live on Saturday. Hopefully he'll have a strong come back!!!
After all these years, it remains the same. If one of skater's A PCS score is higher than skater B, then the 4 remaining components seems to almost always follow suit. That's just not right.
They should take a page out of diving judging, and have an expert judge on each component (5 judges, but scoring only 1 component each). The four remaining judges should score TES as they are doing now.
They should take a page out of diving judging, and have an expert judge on each component (5 judges, but scoring only 1 component each). The four remaining judges should score TES as they are doing now.
Can the Canadian bashing take a hike please? Regardless of what certain posters are thinking, it's offensive and this Canadian is rather disgusted it's been going on non stop and not just in this thread either. It's taking GS into a place I'd hate to see it end up in, so please take it somewhere else!!
Patrick...WOW!! Only mistake was a bit of a bobble during the sit change sit when he went to put his leg under the other one for the final position and the blade went a little wobbly, but other than that...WOW!!
Oh Jeremy...I wanted to reach through the screen and hug him. He just looked so devestated. :sad:
Oh and tonight I heard PJ Kwong say about a skater from one of the countries that aren't from a skating hotbed that they weren't "a serious skater". That's twice now she's done that. While the skaters from Brazil, New Zealand, South Africa and Mexico aren't going to set the skating world on fire, they are every much a competitor as a Patrick Chan or a Jeremy Abbott and just getting out there on that ice deserves our respect.
That woman drives me nuts at the best of times, but there's no call for saying something like that on the air about someone who trying their hardest to represent themselves and their country..
Patrick...WOW!! Only mistake was a bit of a bobble during the sit change sit when he went to put his leg under the other one for the final position and the blade went a little wobbly, but other than that...WOW!!
Oh Jeremy...I wanted to reach through the screen and hug him. He just looked so devestated. :sad:
Oh and tonight I heard PJ Kwong say about a skater from one of the countries that aren't from a skating hotbed that they weren't "a serious skater". That's twice now she's done that. While the skaters from Brazil, New Zealand, South Africa and Mexico aren't going to set the skating world on fire, they are every much a competitor as a Patrick Chan or a Jeremy Abbott and just getting out there on that ice deserves our respect.
That woman drives me nuts at the best of times, but there's no call for saying something like that on the air about someone who trying their hardest to represent themselves and their country..
I'm so thrilled for Patrick and Evan! Patrick skates his heart out, and it always makes me teary. I still think going to Tarasova was the worst idea for Evan, but I'm so glad he is climbing back.
Kozuka's skating skill score should be on par with Patrick, and the rest should be lower. He is the best figure skater, but he is yet to really project drama.
Kozuka's skating skill score should be on par with Patrick, and the rest should be lower. He is the best figure skater, but he is yet to really project drama.
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I'm going to be watching Abbott live on Saturday. Hopefully he'll have a strong come back!!!
I hope he does come back! If you recall, he did a SP similar to his 4CC SP at Cup of Russia this season where, if I remember correctly, he popped the 3Lutz and then made the silly mistake of falling on the spin following the Lutz, just crazy losses of concentration after successfully executing the most difficult elements, like the 3flip+3toe and the 3Axel. He wound up 6th in the SP there, but came back in the LP to finish 2nd in that portion, and 4th overall at Russia. He'll need a similar comeback in the long here. GO JEREMY!
Well some of the skaters from those countries (a lot) are people from the US/ Canada who aren't anywhere close to making those National teams. So maybe for the particular skaters she's mentioned she knows for a fact that skater isn't a serious skater.
BUT Kim Yu-na doesn't come from a strong skating country. When Midori Ito was on her hey day she didn't either. Neither was Chen Lu. (And look at the Chinese pairs coaches) Figure skating has to start somewhere in other countries. When you consider that Kim was coached by former Korean skaters who weren't high up there, you get an appreciation for why it's good to encourage other countries to participate even if they aren't the best.
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At least on this thread, I don't see the jokes as "Canadian-bashing" per se because they're not directed towards the athletes themselves. The posters are poking fun at the fact that the judges are overmarking the Canadian skaters. I wear the Maple Leaf proudly, and I'm not at all offended by the whimsical comments. In fact, I find most of them to be very amusing.
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Couldn't stay awake for all the men but great to see Chan, and Rochette and Phaneuf do so well in their short programs.I really like their skating.
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Maybe she meant "serious contender"?
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Patrick Chan scored about the same at Nationals and scored over 80 internationally before. I havent see it yet but if his short is anything like Nationals he deserves those great marks. Great skater. Wonderful edge quality and flow.
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Usa has alot of depth right now in men's skating. Its nice to see the men getting some attention as they pay more attention to their ladies, however the men at this time are alot stronger. Canada has great skaters in all disciplines and has a chance at a medal in each. Japan is strong as always in ladies and mens.
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Siberia, I know you're a huge fan of the Canadian skaters and I really appreciate your view on this. I feel a lot of skaters have been benefiting from generous scoring this season - it's just seems like 80+ was harder to get in the past, and I'm not sure this is just about the skaters figuring out CoP. BTW, Chan is not the only beneficiary, nor is this limited to Canadians or just the men. But it does seem like the judges at 4CC are inflating scores more than at other events.
I'm not sure. Joubert's Euros SP, under 4CC scoring, might have cracked 90
. If anything it's Brian's LP that concerns me, he has yet to finish first on the LP with either program this season. I guess it's all down to who's judging. If Joubert's the only guy with a 4-3 in the SP next month in Los Angeles, I imagine he should be ok for that part of the competition. He does need those quads, though.I get the feeling people here just like to defend their favorites and criticize what they view as bad judging. We all have skaters we think are overmarked, and people like to express their opinions. I've seen just as many critical posts directed at Carolina Kostner or Zhang/Zhang (for example) than I have re Chan or Joannie. More so, actually.
I've written in the past that I find Chan to be a very good skater but not nearly as excellent as his scores indicate. Come on, 88.90? 50.30 on TES? What, did he get +3 on every element? Plushenko at Olys, with a 4-3, levels 3 and 4 on everything, and the judges just looking where to overmark, didn't get that high a tech score. So of course it looks strange, and people will comment.
ETA: I'm not Kozuka's biggest fan, but why was he screwed on the PCS like that? He skates beautifully and that part of his score should reflect it.
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Pressure is off, he can't win this anymore, unless he puts the Quad in... Should be a great Abbott performance!
Thank you Medusa, your words cheer me up. I'm so sad for my Jereamazing.
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I've not really read this thread at all but just picked up on this.
Didn't 4CC last year have massively inflated scores especially in the men's event? I'm beginning to wonder if 4CC's has more inflated scoring than the international B competitions.
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