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I doubt think they will give Voronov a bye either to be honest. So its not Valentina personally.
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Well, as I have said Misha will survive this. As long as he gets his health together his is perfectly capable of claiming his own without their help.
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It's been said more than once by insiders that Misha gets what he wants on that team.
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Honestly, this idea that someone pushes programs, jumps, competitions etc. on him against his wishes - no that doesn't happen. He is the star of that team and he gets his way. I am not implying he never listens to anyone's input but he gets the last word on important decisions, and I suspect he likes it that way and will clash with any coach who has a different idea of the coach-student relationship.
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Well, there we have it. The 'Valentina must be left behind' rhetoric doesn't really hold much weight for me anymore. It's just Misha that needs to take a moment to think about what he wants to do--which makes me wonder about his real state of health, not just the one we gather from bits of info, and made me question early how's he going to skate.
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That must have a lot to do not only with his personality, but also with his studies in the field. I'm sure he has his own ideas of how to improve. Don't know how much they work.
On the contrary, this makes me want a coaching change even more. Maybe he should have a stricter coach who will challenge him on these things
I know there’s only so much you can do with a stubborn grown man, but even so. Either way, I’m soured on his current situation, tbh, because it sounds like he’s just coaching himself at this point.Ending the season now could be the best thing for him. He clearly needs to do some self-reflection.
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I am of course not suggesting he butts heads with her over every little thing and if she tells him to go practice his loop he says "nope, I want to do more 4Ts", I think he respects her expertise enough not to go that far. But say with hard jumps she thinks he isn't ready for her method is to let him try and see for himself he is not ready rather than forbid (this part is from Misha's own interview).
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It is Mika personally, in this interview Kogan clearly meant Mika when he said that if someone prefers to train in a weaker group but to be a star of the show then it is their right but it would not be effective as one needs a strong sparring partner to succeed:
https://rsport.ria.ru/20181115/1146010824.html
It is not as much his poor results this season that strain his relations with the Fed but the fact that his results just prove that they are right and that he needs a coaching change, so the latest events could be just a chance to point the obvious to him once again
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Erm, who is the strong sparring partner for Aliev? Shulepov?
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I don't think as much expected from Aliev at this point as from Mika, secondly, by going along with TAT suggestions regarding e.g music choices Aliev's team scored well this season, in fact TAT favoured him last season too
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But it all comes back to the fact that Valentina doesn't have a good standing with the Fed. Let's be real here for a moment, no other coach in Russia is producing much more with their men. If anything, they would want to move him around inside the country, and I don't see how that would be that much beneficial for him, but certainly some other coach might want to work with his talent--after all everyone and their mother seem to know what's the best for him.
The Fed does not have plans to send someone abroad, much less him. It's all about who gets to be the one to save him, and that's just too egotistical to be of much use for Misha.
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It has of course been said that maybe it's a good idea for him to take the rest of the season off, get well and figure things out. He clearly had not recovered from the Olympic season either physically or mentally by the start of this season and has since then been banging his had against the wall. I am waiting for him to realise that doing more of the same will not bring different results any time now.
I know last season Aliev tried to skate through an injury and it eventually worked (while Misha's health problem only got worse), but it was the Olympic season and Aliev didn't get away with it scot-free either in the end. Neither did Zhenya. Misha and his back is in question. But it was the Olympic season and at the time it was worth it. Now it's not.
I know last season Aliev tried to skate through an injury and it eventually worked (while Misha's health problem only got worse), but it was the Olympic season and Aliev didn't get away with it scot-free either in the end. Neither did Zhenya. Misha and his back is in question. But it was the Olympic season and at the time it was worth it. Now it's not.
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Valentina is one of exactly three coaches in the country who have two students on the main senior team this season and somehow she is the one who is not taken seriously?
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ah well at least he can rest till tomorrow morning though there is the draw yet
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Even with two practices the skaters often do not come to one of them.
Btw, have many people noticed that the Russian Olympians are not doing too well right now, except for those of whom not much was expected like Zagorsky/Guerreiro? Alina is the strongest but it seems to be a constant physical and mental struggle for her compared to her brilliance last season. Maybe it was too much to begin with to expect Misha to shine.
Nobody had a proper break, it seems. Misha especially with his post-Olympics schedule of thesis defense, camp with Lambiel, camp with Raf, test skates, two early Challengers. Aliev and T/M are not themselves this season. Zhenya and Alina are dealing with new bodies and the usual pressure, the former with a coaching change and effects from injury on top of all that. Z/E and Z/G are the only ones to have stayed the same or improved.
Even so, I really thought Misha was looking good this season. The nerves were always going to be a problem, but nothing that would have paralyzed him. The sinusitis just stopped him dead in his tracks, which lead to bad results and decreased confidence, and this created a negative feedback loop. He'll bounce back!
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He burnt himself, still could not understand why he didn't take an year off his studies that was that extra strain he could have avoided.
It is easy to see a bigger picture when you are not in the middle of that all, someone or something tell him to end the season now, recover his stamina and re-assess his mental approach to competitions, but he just refuses to see it that way and won't give up without a fight (which I grudgingly admire in a way)
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