Mikhail Kolyada

[coldblueeyes]

People says that he was lucky to get gold there but in fact Misha could overtake both Hanyu and Chen and got a gold if he skated clean. So it's not about luck, it's only about how Kolyada skates. He has everything to get over 300 now.

Everything can happen in competition, but that really depends on how Misha goes, and even if he has the goods to get a 300+ kind of score, he has a long way to go to achieve that, especially consistenly

 

[vorravorra]

People says that he was lucky to get gold there but in fact Misha could overtake both Hanyu and Chen and got a gold if he skated clean. So it's not about luck, it's only about how Kolyada skates. He has everything to get over 300 now.

I don't think anyone can overtake a clean Hanyu, but Misha's two clean programs definitely have 300+ potential, it has been calculated several times. Let's take his skate at CoC: level 4 camel spin (3.91) instead of level 1 (2.71) +1.20 points in the SP; in the FS: 15.17 points for the lutz with +1.57 GOE (taken from SP) (likely more as nobody could ding him for insufficient steps) instead of 8.60 +6.57, 4S with say +1 GOE (11.50) instead of 2S (1.30) +10.20, 3A with +2.43 GOE (taken from SP) (11.78) instead of 1A (1.15) +10.63 - that's 28.60 extra points, added to the actual score of 279.38 equals 307.98. Now the only thing left (heh) is to produce clean skates when and where is needed (of course Misha will most likely have to skate four programs at the Olympics which won't make things easier for him but will vastly increase his chances for a medal).

 

[Lana05]

I mean that it wasn't just luck. He was prograssing step by step adding more quards and putting jumps in a second half. And he's scoring higher and higher collecting this GP series fans and haters. Also I think he can put one 3F instead 3lz in FS (I know about his edge problem, but Shoma doesn't get ded for it, so wht Misha should then) so he can do another 4T in a combo and a single 3lz

 

[vorravorra]

I mean that it wasn't just luck. He was prograssing step by step adding more quards and putting jumps in a second half. And he's scoring higher and higher collecting this GP series fans and haters. Also I think he can put one 3F instead 3lz in FS (I know about his edge problem, but Shoma doesn't get ded for it, so wht Misha should then) so he can do another 4T in a combo and a single 3lz

Misha's outside edge on the flip is bad - plenty of people have less of an outside edge on their lutz without flutzing. He said it was called every time in every competition once edges became important, and honestly the tech panel would have to have been incompetent not to. No wonder he dropped it as soon as he could. And he has not managed to fix it despite all the attempts.

 

[Lana05]

I don't remember how bad his edge but he should at least try this layout at less important international competition Maybe he'll got only ! This still better than to put 2A with 4 quards. So if his 4S or 4Lz won't be that stable he could change it to a second 4T in a combo without risking

 

[coldblueeyes]

I don't remember how bad his edge but he should at least try this layout at less important international competition Maybe he'll got only ! This still better than to put 2A with 4 quards. So if his 4S or 4Lz won't be that stable he could change it to a second 4T in a combo without risking

The layout he has now is ideal for this season, and he should keep that one. He didn't put two 4t last year, he's not doing it again this year either. You should probably check out some of the links pages back to see him landing all his quads perfectly. He can do them, let him do it at his time. He's been waiting to add them, and it took all of last season for him to finally land two clean 4lz this year, so it's not happening out of nothing either.

 

[Lana05]

The layout he has now is ideal for this season, and he should keep that one. He didn't put two 4t last year, he's not doing it again this year either. You should probably check out some of the links pages back to see him landing all his quads perfectly. He can do them, let him do it at his time. He's been waiting to add them, and it took all of last season for him to finally land two clean 4lz this year, so it's not happening out of nothing either.

I don't say that he should change his layout. And I know that he can land 4S and 4Lz. I'm writing my personal thoughts how Mikhail can enlarge his BV or reduce risks (because everytime he falls on 4Lz he pooped jump ater it)

 

[xeyra]

I don't remember how bad his edge but he should at least try this layout at less important international competition Maybe he'll got only ! This still better than to put 2A with 4 quards. So if his 4S or 4Lz won't be that stable he could change it to a second 4T in a combo without risking

I don't know Mikhail's history with the 3F (when did he drop it from his layouts?) but the thing is, if one doesn't include a problematic jump in a layout, one probably trains it less. And if one trains it less, one has less opportunities (and motivation?) to try and fix it.

 

[vorravorra]

I don't remember how bad his edge but he should at least try this layout at less important international competition Maybe he'll got only ! This still better than to put 2A with 4 quards. So if his 4S or 4Lz won't be that stable he could change it to a second 4T in a combo without risking

There is a video of his flip somewhere and it essentially looks like a lutz. As he says he has trouble not bending his ankle that way due to his joint structure. Considering the depth of his outside edge on the lutz it's hardly unexpected. Maybe it could have been combated early on with lots of effort but at that time it wasn't considered important enough. Stasya on the other hand has proper edges on both flip and lutz but at the cost of her lutz not having perfect technique like Misha's. Although perfect lutzes in women tend to be inconsistent anyway. I guess Misha ran into a similar problem with the quad. But nobody thought quad lutzes would be a thing when he learned so why teach him to prerotate if he didn't need to and the correct lutz technique doesn't involve prerotation, unlike say on the 4T and 4S? People say he should "optimise" his lutz now but I doubt it can work at this stage and they would never risk screwing up his triple.

I don't know Mikhail's history with the 3F (when did he drop it from his layouts?) but the thing is, if one doesn't include a problematic jump in a layout, one probably trains it less. And if one trains it less, one has less opportunities (and motivation?) to try and fix it.

As soon as he could afford to, just as he said. It's not fun getting an edge call every time.
Edit: I think 2013-2014 season was the last where you see his flip.

 

[coldblueeyes]

I don't say that he should change his layout. And I know that he can land 4S and 4Lz. I'm writing my personal thoughts how Mikhail can enlarge his BV or reduce risks (because everytime he falls on 4Lz he pooped jump ater it)

Yeah, that's really not the way he's playing it. He did the same last season, and it seems like a much better process for him to go for it instead or not. Believe me, even some weeks ago I was still unsure about this layout, but it is the best he has for the moment. Popping jumps is something he's not counting on, for sure, but putting a 3F with an edge problem, it would certainly get an e call every time, would garner him less than half the points of a fall on a quad lutz, and about half with the quad sal. It's a numbers game, and he's playing the best he can.

 

[vorravorra]

I don't say that he should change his layout. And I know that he can land 4S and 4Lz. I'm writing my personal thoughts how Mikhail can enlarge his BV or reduce risks (because everytime he falls on 4Lz he pooped jump ater it)

He fell on the quad lutz in the FS at CoR and didn't pop anything afterwards. Neither did he land the quad sal, that's true. I think he does have a problem landing the quad sal after the quad lutz, it took him a while to get his 4T right after the quad lutz and that jump was way more consistent. We'll see.

What Misha has going for him is that he doesn't underrotate. Though it leads to people being annoyed at his scores when he falls. A lot of people still seem to think URs and even pops are better than falls although the scores say different.

 

[Lana05]

Misha got Soo Ho Rang from a fan https://twitter.com/patrick_han9/status/927546592877428737
Also he got Ko-ducks toys (sounds same as Kolyada in mandarin) from chinese fans

 

[coldblueeyes]

Well, we talk and speculate, but I just don't think the flip is coming back in any way. He will probably push through this layout for this season, and the next. If the salchow ends up being unlandable, maybe we'll see some changes, but I don't know. Too soon to know anything far in the future - the lutz seemed like an impossible thing to land in competition last season because it was fall after fall after fall, and we already got two beautifully landed this season, so who knows...

 

[Heleng]

I wish people would stop talking about a flawless SP at CoC. Misha screwed up a spin (and he really shouldn't screw up spins with his level of mastery of the element). It's like a huge proportion of people don't realise spins and other non-jump elements also count (which Misha talks about in his interview).

True, so his sp at CoC was not flawless but near-flawless . Your point is well taken, that there are more than just jumps that determine the TES and PCS, which explains why he still gets the scores he does even when his jumps aren't all there.

BTW, I've seen him referred to as both Misha (more often) and Mika. Which one does he go by in Russia?

 

[dante]

BTW, I've seen him referred to as both Misha (more often) and Mika. Which one does he go by in Russia?

Misha.

 

[Kittosuni]

Why not repeat the quad lutz? He doesnt pop it that often and even if he falls, it will score like a triple jump anyway.

 

[vorravorra]

Why not repeat the quad lutz? He doesnt pop it that often and even if he falls, it will score like a triple jump anyway.

Because he'll get a REP on it. And doing 4Lz+3T and 4Lz is a) too hard physically, and b) not going to happen if he falls on both.

 

[vorravorra]

Misha.

I am not sure where Mika comes from - this forum? It's definitely not Russian as the name "Mikhail" doesn't have a "k" in it in Russian (it doesn't have a "sh" either but that's just how short versions of (some) Russian names are formed, e.g. Maria->Masha).

 

[Tutto]

Why not repeat the quad lutz? He doesnt pop it that often and even if he falls, it will score like a triple jump anyway.

Lets not run before could walk... a quad lutz has to become consistent first. His current layout is very challenging as it is and it would be great if Mika skates both programs clean back to back by the end of the season (hopefully at the right event )
Going forward, next season the possibilities are endless and sky is his limit, health & luck permitted... but IMO it is quite pointless to talk about it now...

True, so his sp at CoC was not flawless but near-flawless . Your point is well taken, that there are more than just jumps that determine the TES and PCS, which explains why he still gets the scores he does even when his jumps aren't all there.

BTW, I've seen him referred to as both Misha (more often) and Mika. Which one does he go by in Russia?

Mika is our special GS name created by the OP of this thread (sadly no longer with us) so we keep the tradition - many though prefer Misha which is fine of course.

About his short, I think that minor mistake on the spin can be overlooked. I consider it a clean skate. Besides great tech I was blown away by his interpretation I must confess I hadn't believed in this choice of music but at CoC Mika made this piece his own, everything just seemed to come together. It was just ethereal...

The layout he has now is ideal for this season, and he should keep that one. He didn't put two 4t last year, he's not doing it again this year either. You should probably check out some of the links pages back to see him landing all his quads perfectly. He can do them, let him do it at his time. He's been waiting to add them, and it took all of last season for him to finally land two clean 4lz this year, so it's not happening out of nothing either.

I agree with you. Last season they changed the layout every comp, it was a mess. Now they have the layout and on the path making it work better & better with each competition.
BTW did my eyes betrayed me or he tried 4lz at the Gala and stepped out (but no fall!)?

This is a wonderful fan page, with considerate, level-headed, respectful, and enthusiastic fans of Mikhail! I really need to spend more time in here than in the general forum, LOL. Thanks, vorravorra and coldblueeyes, for your thoughtful posts and helping to put things into perspective, and to everyone who shares in their excitement, insights, articles, translations, videos, etc. And sincere apologies for my vent, which I'm honestly not in the habit of. Everyone has skaters that resonate with them emotionally and aesthetically more than others for whatever reason (Mikhail is one of those skaters for me) and I just don't see why being a fan of one skater should exclude appreciating his/her competitor. (Among Mikhail's Russian competitors, I love Voronov too and think Aliev is a lovely skater who shows great promise.) Anyway, enough of this and on to sharing in celebrating Mikhail's showing at CoC! I've watched multiple generations of figure skaters, well before the current scoring system, and his sp created one of those beautiful moments that will always remain etched in my memory. And for me it wasn't just his brilliant quad Lutz, but also how brilliantly he skated the rest of the program. If there was any doubt before, he really put himself on the map! It sounds like he and his coach (she seems a lovely person and highly intelligent coach, I'm so impressed by how she's patiently guided him his entire skating career and love watching her in the k&c!) know exactly what he needs to work on to improve his elements and consistency. It's great that he's realistic and level-headed about the GPF. I'm so excited for him for this season and cheering hard for him to fulfill his potential!!!

Thank you for joining us here. I think I've noted your support for Mika in other threads ever since Boston. :thumbsup:
I don't let myself to be bothered anymore about certain posters I just ignore it. (Mind you when I tried to reason with them my post got reported to the mods (?!))
The dogs bark but the caravan rolls on...

 

[Tutto]

I am not sure where Mika comes from - this forum? It's definitely not Russian as the name "Mikhail" doesn't have a "k" in it in Russian (it doesn't have a "sh" either but that's just how short versions of (some) Russian names are formed, e.g. Maria->Masha).

Yes, I just explained that it was the OP of this thread (Japanese I believe) who came up with this name and it kinda of stayed around