The articles that came out about Miki after the Olympics were horrid. I felt terrible for the poor girl.
Miki Ando pursues regaining her quad jump!
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The articles that came out about Miki after the Olympics were horrid. I felt terrible for the poor girl.
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this is my favorite Miki Anod video of all time!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxuome9UbP8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxuome9UbP8&feature=related
Well, espn interviewing crying Miki in Sweden wasn't any classier.
Back to Miki discussion, I used to think Miki was more successful, prettier counterpart of Yoshie Onda. But ever since 2006, Miki has developed her own style, and Scheherazade and Carmen were especially excellent.
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This is where your train of thought left the tracks and went crashing into a lake.
You've missed the point again and also still didn't cite any examples. When you read a good film review you'll see reasoning and description behind why the critic favors something. Not just "I liked it" or "it was well done". True criticism will get into the how and why of things (such as - "the cinematography in this film is exemplary because of the way in which light and shadow paints a portrait of the confusion our main character is experiencing, continually growing and ebbing in contrast"). This is the kind of rapport I was looking for. I like to hear reasoning behind opinions, as that helps me to understand other viewpoints and possibly cause me to think differently or see something in a new perspective. I believe everyone should be open in such a way, if it is their interest to engage in intellectual discourse and expand their horizons in life.
That is why your response lacks the depth I was hoping to hear. You've merely repeated your surface opinion (although also admirably gone on a tangent about why you like art) and tried to label mine instead of delving into specifics. So, again, please respond in the manner I described if you want to continue the subject; anything else is just useless repetition.
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It’s completely a waste of my time to explain over and over to someone who will never get it. You seem to be looking for approval for your view point. Sounds lack of confidence. I don’t need your approval or understanding as I already told you.
Find someone who sees art as math as you do. and have fun talking with them. Good luck .
Find someone who sees art as math as you do. and have fun talking with them. Good luck .
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Probably a good idea. I desperately need to gain this poster's approval, after all.
Now, back to the original topic of the thread: Miki's Quad jump!
I agree with what feraina said earlier: Miki wants to leave a legacy behind. What's great is the emotion you see in an athlete when they achieve something they really, really wanted. I'm excited for her to pull it off (and hopefully maintain the whole program along with it).
I also agree with what Medusa said: Miki needs the Quad if she wants to have a chance at beating a clean Mao Asada. In fact, I'd say her jump layout would need to look something like this:
3Lutz/3Loop
4Salchow
3Flip
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3Sal/3Loop
3Toe/2Loop/2Loop
2Axel
3Lutz
Not only the Quad, but also a second Triple-Triple combination. Interestingly, I can't think of any male skater who would be able to pull off that jump layout consistently. I wonder how often Miki will try the Quad, if she indeed is able to do it at Skate America. Does she just want to do it the once to prove something, or does she want to set benchmarks at Worlds/Olympics too? Regardless of the Quad, I do think she should start going for the second Triple jump combination as often as she can (if it is indeed her goal to be extremely competitive).
Now, back to the original topic of the thread: Miki's Quad jump!
I agree with what feraina said earlier: Miki wants to leave a legacy behind. What's great is the emotion you see in an athlete when they achieve something they really, really wanted. I'm excited for her to pull it off (and hopefully maintain the whole program along with it).
I also agree with what Medusa said: Miki needs the Quad if she wants to have a chance at beating a clean Mao Asada. In fact, I'd say her jump layout would need to look something like this:
3Lutz/3Loop
4Salchow
3Flip
-----
3Sal/3Loop
3Toe/2Loop/2Loop
2Axel
3Lutz
Not only the Quad, but also a second Triple-Triple combination. Interestingly, I can't think of any male skater who would be able to pull off that jump layout consistently. I wonder how often Miki will try the Quad, if she indeed is able to do it at Skate America. Does she just want to do it the once to prove something, or does she want to set benchmarks at Worlds/Olympics too? Regardless of the Quad, I do think she should start going for the second Triple jump combination as often as she can (if it is indeed her goal to be extremely competitive).
Right. I also read Yuna cried after 2008 Worlds SP in pivate due to her pain.
But as far as I know, Yuna haven't cried in front of the public because of competition results.
I've just watched Miki's interview at the Skate America broadcasted during the prime time and she said that she cried like 300 days out of 365 last season. It seems that she had emotional breakdowns throughout the season and I am sorry for her. But I kind of agree with another poster saying that she externalizes her emotions. I think that having cried almost everyday and saying in public that she had cried almost everyday are two different things. She not only has emotional ups and downs, but also talks about her emotions perhaps much more than anyone else in the field. Emotional well-being seems extremely important for her overall well-being and for her performances. If trying a quad helps her emotionally, it would perhaps mean more than just points.
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I think you're right, but I think she should still go for it. She's been having great practices at SA, and she has little to lose if she lands all her other jumps even if she fails her 4S.
She's been landing her 4S in practices, but landing them in a program is a totally different animal. Miki can land them 10/10, but it still won't really matter if she never lands them when it really counts.
I do question her stamina, though. It doesn't sound like she hasn't been doing full LP during practices, which makes me wonder if it's a good strategy.
Miki is fast becoming my sentimental favorite, so I hope she does well.
I can't decide who my new sentimental favorite is, Miki or Kimmie. 
Anyway, I think Miki should go for it. It's not a major, major competition (like World's, Olympics, Japanese National's, or even NHK) should she falter. And anyway, given her PCS cushion, if she land all her other jumps well, and not have a freak fall on the footwork or a spin (oops!), then she should still get a medal. And it looks nigh impossible to catch Yu-na in any case.
Anyway, I think Miki should go for it. It's not a major, major competition (like World's, Olympics, Japanese National's, or even NHK) should she falter. And anyway, given her PCS cushion, if she land all her other jumps well, and not have a freak fall on the footwork or a spin (oops!), then she should still get a medal. And it looks nigh impossible to catch Yu-na in any case.
According to her interview, it seems Morosov's suggestion, which she followed.
Regarding her reasons to stick to this jump, I feel that the media attention would be one of the factors. The broadcast of SA almost exclusively focused on her quad. Tonight, they were like, "Will Miki beat Yuna with a quad?" (How can anyone possibly do that with that large margin after SP?) They kept featuring Miki's quad from the beginning to the end. They created a lot of dramas of her quest for a quad by featuring Miki crying during her practice and competitions.
They mentioned Yukari incredibly little despite her accomplishments and placements. Almost no talk about Yukari's potential 3A.
I found all of these pretty crazy and felt very tired after watching these shows two days in row. But these were broadcasted during the prime time....
It's kind of bizarre that they have kept making such a big fuss over and again during the last five years without getting bored. It is no wonder many ppl feel tired of hearing about her quad and nonetheless feel dissapointed every time she avoids trying.
So I think that Miki may want to prove to her audience that she could actually do it.
Prior to the event, Miki stated that she would try it at every competition no matter what. Then today's headline was like "Miki avoided trying the quad, which ultimately backfired against herself" (because she ended in the third place after Nakano). Pressures
I would think it smarter for her not to make big statements like that given the uncertainty and media responses.
ETA:
To my great surprise, Yahoo Japan is doing a survey, "Should Miki do the quad?" So bizarre.
As for responses, 78% of the respondents answered yes.
I would think it smarter for her not to make big statements like that given the uncertainty and media responses.ETA:
To my great surprise, Yahoo Japan is doing a survey, "Should Miki do the quad?" So bizarre.
As for responses, 78% of the respondents answered yes.
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Great, just what she needs - more pressure.
