Mirai Nagasu's future prospects
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I read an article just after Skate America where she said that her mother called at her to yell at her after the SP and that was why she did better.
And all I could do was shake my head and think, "This is why it will never get better."
And all I could do was shake my head and think, "This is why it will never get better."
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Hersh mentions Carolina Kostner, Joannie Rochette and Akiko Suzuki as skaters who made the transition from 6.0 to CoP without underrotation issues.
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By the way, Hersh is very fond of Mirai. He named her as one of his top ten "funnest" athletes to interview in all sports.
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By the way, Hersh is very fond of Mirai. He named her as one of his top ten "funnest" athletes to interview in all sports.
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but... I have no issues with Hersh's article this time. He simply made his point and supported it, with hard clear facts (5/14 URs at SkAm were Mirai's; Kostner, Rochette, and Suzuki are all older and don't have the same UR problems; Mirai's PB scores from 2010). He came across as respectful, praising her good qualities while detailing her struggles. In fact, his article reads more like a history of Mirai, rather than an outright critique.
I guess, if I were a big Mirai fan, I'd be a bit miffed that he says she's painful to watch. But he comes across as wanting her to do well, and feeling pain because she constantly falls short.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but... I have no issues with Hersh's article this time. He simply made his point and supported it, with hard clear facts (5/14 URs at SkAm were Mirai's; Kostner, Rochette, and Suzuki are all older and don't have the same UR problems; Mirai's PB scores from 2010). He came across as respectful, praising her good qualities while detailing her struggles. In fact, his article reads more like a history of Mirai, rather than an outright critique.
I guess, if I were a big Mirai fan, I'd be a bit miffed that he says she's painful to watch. But he comes across as wanting her to do well, and feeling pain because she constantly falls short.
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Yeah, same.
But I felt that the judging panel was definitely harsh with her, considering they didn't extend the same--uh--standards to some other skaters...
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I don't mind Hersh's article at all either (and I've been a big follower of Mirai for a while); he does make points with support and they're reasonable too (the "painful to watch" I think was more of word choice; I don't think he means painful as in "oh, her skating is so ugly it pains me to watch" but instead painful because he remembered her successful past). Furthermore, considering Mirai's (negative) reaction, perhaps this will really give motivation (through anger? I recall her citing her anger at a poor short program as fuel for her 2011 4CC personal best free skate) and a sort of kick that perhaps her switch to Colorado hasn't yet. I doubt Mirai has much satisfaction over where she's at now (and she's expressed her disappointment over her competition here too). Who knows? We'll see what happens in a short few weeks' worth of time. 
Hopefully it's improvement, of course. 
Hopefully it's improvement, of course. I agree. I don't think her URs were worse than Gracie's SP 3Lz-3T, or Jason's fallen axel. Though I would characterize it more as "lenient to Gracie and Jason" rather than "harsh towards Mirai." But it's true, she's not receiving the benefit of the doubt even when skating in the US.
While we can blame her tech score on the harsh COP penalties for UR... Mirai does herself no favours by her emotionless performances. There was nothing in the SP for me, outside of the botched jumps... and while the LP looked clean to the naked eye, it was equally devoid of passion. That must be what frustrates Hersh--to see her continue on but look like she doesn't want to be there.
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http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpusa2014/gpusa2014_Men_FS_Scores.pdf
Jason got hit for a UR on his second triple axel in the LP, signified by <, so when he UR'd he was punished. Mirai underrotated five jumps in her LP. She was correctly dinged for them.
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I think the worst thing that could have happened to Mirai was the soft tech panel she got at Nationals. She should have got more URs there than she did, and if she had got dinged for them, she wouldn't have been third. And then we wouldn't have had the whole fiasco where the USFSA made the correct decision but an unpopular one.
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To be fair, Ashley got some generous calls. Ashley looked almost a full 1/2 short on the 2A in her SP but got full credit (see slow-mo around 4:38: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAF98xI116M). However, Mirai probably got more favorable calls which likely did make the difference.
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let me just say that Mirai was my most favorite among the girls who competed at the SA particularly on the long program. I love her costume, her choice of music. I felt that she was so alive across the ice. She has natural elegance. I love the program so much! Her TE were not on par with the other girls but i always look for artistry in a program. This is something that I am still hopeful for Mirai, her jumping technique. She doesn;t have enough height hence her URs. If she can't work on it. She'll always be off the podium. I wish her the best this season!
let me just say that Mirai was my most favorite among the girls who competed at the SA particularly on the long program. I love her costume, her choice of music. I felt that she was so alive across the ice. She has natural elegance. I love the program so much! Her TE were not on par with the other girls but i always look for artistry in a program. This is something that I am still hopeful for Mirai, her jumping technique. She doesn;t have enough height hence her URs. If she can't work on it. She'll always be off the podium. I wish her the best this season!
How do you know she would have not have still been third even with stricter calling? If the callers were soft on her ( they don't appear imo to do her any favors), they were probably soft on every skater. It certainly would have been an outrage if Ashley had been third under those circumstances.
i am watching Mirai's LP video, I just like watching her. I watched Radionova's video right before watching Mirai's . Her body language just more please to my eyes. and I think she is very expressive through her body language. I just dont understand the dead-face argument.
and Mirai's dress decoration resembles beautiful butterfly wings. I wish you fly high this season Madam Butterfly. <3 <3
and Mirai's dress decoration resembles beautiful butterfly wings. I wish you fly high this season Madam Butterfly. <3 <3
I was talking about Jason's SP 3A. Sorry for not specifying.
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She has had a few good skates, 2011 4CC bronze, close behind Miki and Mao, and many observers say she skated just as well as Miki and Mao, 2014 Nationals of course.
I agree she has areas she hasn't been able to fix, UR's, among others. But people on here are complaining about the same flaws Gold and Wagner have today as they had two years ago. They havent fixed many of their flaws either, but you never seem to post about it. You say you want Mirai to do well. If she did, your number of posts would drop significantly.
Icenetwork article, Mirai talks about UR's at SA. (Scroll down)
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/10/27/99873920/
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/10/27/99873920/
Yeah I have to admit there's something about her skating, that even when she's off I'm just drawn to her. There's something in her body language, her carriage - I totally understand peoples issues with her facial expression, but I would contest, that her body language and élan is almost always there in a refined way missing from most skaters.
I also think it was a strong sign that she had a good recovery after her sp despite the URs (and I've watched mulitple videos of the skate I think her lutz and flip were around, I have no clue why they got called). It sounds like she trains hard, and well in Colorado and sometimes good training, a new coach, new jumping philosophy it all takes time to click. I also remember Habits are very hard to break and she hasn't had a consistent coaching environment to really foster the time she needs to get over them... but from the way her and Tom both talk about her training and her environment, she has found some solid ground and satisfaction with her situation in a way she hasn't had since 2011.
I also remember Tom mentioned something after Salt Lake that now he understands how Mirai skates under pressure - and I think he learned a whole lot more about that at Skate America.
She's gotta keep working in the way she has, and let this situation marinate a little longer. She's a made a ton of changes which can be jarring, but if the training is there and word of mouth is it definitely is, I believe the performances will come too.
I also think it was a strong sign that she had a good recovery after her sp despite the URs (and I've watched mulitple videos of the skate I think her lutz and flip were around, I have no clue why they got called). It sounds like she trains hard, and well in Colorado and sometimes good training, a new coach, new jumping philosophy it all takes time to click. I also remember Habits are very hard to break and she hasn't had a consistent coaching environment to really foster the time she needs to get over them... but from the way her and Tom both talk about her training and her environment, she has found some solid ground and satisfaction with her situation in a way she hasn't had since 2011.
I also remember Tom mentioned something after Salt Lake that now he understands how Mirai skates under pressure - and I think he learned a whole lot more about that at Skate America.
She's gotta keep working in the way she has, and let this situation marinate a little longer. She's a made a ton of changes which can be jarring, but if the training is there and word of mouth is it definitely is, I believe the performances will come too.
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