Mirai Nagasu's future prospects
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To be honest, I think the skating copyright holders are missing their real chance to make a killing especially at competitions where there are only really one or two notable skaters like Broadmore. They should be selling downloads of each individual program skated after the fact for like 99 cents each. Saying that the copyright holders would have made however many thousands of dollars if each person who watched one youtube link had paid the $18 is kind of ridiculous- no one would pay $18 to watch one program, no one. But I bet many people who clicked the link would have been willing to pay 99 cents to see that program especially if it were a download and they could save it and watch it again. I bet many people who didn't know Mirai would be at the competition and now want to see her programs would pay 99 cents.
Regarding the copyright issues in general, I personally don't care if people upload copyrighted material or if others watch it. This just isn't something I can be on a moral crusade about. But I also think it is totally fair and legitimate if the copyright holders take steps to get the copyrighted material taken down and attempt to protect their copyright. After all, why have the copyright at all if you are just going to let people watch whatever link some fan puts up? I support copyright holders in their efforts to protect their materials.
Regarding the copyright issues in general, I personally don't care if people upload copyrighted material or if others watch it. This just isn't something I can be on a moral crusade about. But I also think it is totally fair and legitimate if the copyright holders take steps to get the copyrighted material taken down and attempt to protect their copyright. After all, why have the copyright at all if you are just going to let people watch whatever link some fan puts up? I support copyright holders in their efforts to protect their materials.
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Oyyyy ... people are misunderstanding the reason that I brought up the hypothetical number of $18,000.
It was an order-of-magnitude reference.Not saying that the vendor should be entitled to collect that sum as a result of YouTube hits.
But as I did say above, if only a small fraction of the people who watched one of the YT videos had in fact paid the streaming fee, the total amount would have been five figures.
And I daresay that many of the people who watched one video of Jason Brown prob. would have viewed all three of his programs, not to mention Nagasu's and Cain's. So the hypothetical cost per program would have been just a couple of bucks.
I agree. This point of yours is the same one that I was trying to make.
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Oyyyy ... people are misunderstanding the reason that I brought up the hypothetical number of $18,000.
Not saying that the vendor should be entitled to collect that sum as a result of YouTube hits.
But as I did say above, if only a small fraction of the people who watched one of the YT videos had in fact paid the streaming fee, the total amount would have been five figures.
And I daresay that many of the people who watched one video of Jason Brown prob. would have viewed all three of his programs, not to mention Nagasu's and Cain's. So the hypothetical cost per program would have been just a couple of bucks.
Just to be clear my point wasn't really meant to be about yours- I was mostly just proposing an alternative system of trying to encourage people to pay for competitions. Honestly, I think that $18 to stream this particular competition is steep in general (especially when you consider all the streaming and footage you can get on IN for just a bit more) and they'd make more money doing something like I said. I you and I agree generally.
It was never on YouTube was it? It was posted to Dropbox and and some people on GS saw it before it was taken down. Unless a tape of Mirai was the only reason people would pay, I don't think they lost much if anything. Part of what they were charging for was live access.
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Thanks, tulosai.
If you read back through the multiple threads that discussed skaters (not limited to Nagasu) who competed at the Broadmoor Open this year, you will see that video first was posted to YouTube. Problems with YT over copyright led to the use of Dropbox.
ETA, correction (with my apologies):
OK, I myself have gone back and looked at some earlier posts in the threads. The Broadmoor video first was posted to vimeo. Copyright issues on vimeo led to usage of a second non-YT site that ultimately was not viable either -- and then eventually to usage of a third site, which was Dropbox.
But ... other than misremembering the platform, I stand by my previous posts on the subject of copyright.
But ... other than misremembering the platform, I stand by my previous posts on the subject of copyright.
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It's on YouTube at the moment. I won't post links, but you can do a search for "Mirai Nagasu" on there and filter results from the last week.
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I do like the LP too, I found it very Kwanesque.
Here's a fan vid of her performance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p819wCVDRBU
She skated to demons, also with a new variation on her I-Spin (is that what it's called?) REALLY impressive.
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I love Mirai, but was that short program costume a practice unitard? What was that?
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Yep, that's an I-spin.
She's switched the grip on her free leg. She started doing it last season, I think b/c of her back-sit position in her combo spin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg7T76ZWsuA#t=78 It was just easier to transition straight up into it rather than adjust her grip.
She used to do it with one hand on the toe of her boot and the other on the calf of her free leg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lprM6-KCxOo#t=174
When skaters can get a good position w/o looking all hunched over, I don't mind the two-handed grip on the boot; majority of the time though, I hate it b/c so few people can get it vertical and keep their back straight. Mirai did get a really good position in that one though.
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It's still really early in the season so I doubt she has a dress yet. It's a low profile (essentially unimportant) competition, so she just wore something comfortable. I'm sure she'll have a nice dress by the fall.
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yeah i hope so. guess i overreacted. she skated beautifully in the long so she's not doing herself any favors by looking incomplete. a unitard is fine, if it makes sense like when Kostner did it, but i was just so surprised. it looked like she wasn't taking it seriously.
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Re Jason Brown at the recent Broadmoor Open:
Brown skated both programs in black practice clothes and says he has no idea what his costumes will eventually look like.
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/07/03/82717466 (Jul 3)
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/07/03/82717466 (Jul 3)
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Whoa, chill out. It's JULY, for goodness' sake. There were a LOT of skaters at the Broadmoor who were wearing practice clothes. Jason Brown was in plain black t-shirt and pants for all three programs. No-one's accusing him of "not taking it seriously". I'd wager that when Aaron and Farris turn up in Vail this weekend they're probably going to be in training clothes too. The prorgams aren't that old - there hasn't been time to finish the costumes yet.
She wore that same "costume" earlier this year when she performed that program, in Florida, I believe. The vid was posted on one of the forums then and the "costume" was perplexing to many at that time too. I believe I suggested then that maybe she had gotten to the rink too late to change into a costume, but since she is still wearing the same outfit that must not been the case.
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