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How many long programs from any given season pre-COP would you consider great? Lets pick the 2002-2003 season (or any season)
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How many long programs from any given season pre-COP would you consider great? Lets pick the 2002-2003 season (or any season)
By the time I came to, my program was half over.
I don't remember great programs so much as great performances. The two that stand out from 2002-03 are Michelle Kwan's Aranjuez at Worlds and Shen and Zhou's Turandot.
Both of these I remember as much for the techical excellence as for the artistic/emotional side.
Also, on the issue of "robotically checking off the elements," another way to say the same thing is, you get in a zone and everything just happens automatically. I think this can apply to the artistic components as well as to jumps. My favorite figure skating quote is from Shizuka Arakawa, commenting on skating on cruise control.
I like your reply and agree with most of it.
My earlier post you so strenuosly objected to references the audience appeal Yukari showed at '08 Worlds and that Mirai just showed at US Natls.
So I agree with you that "charisma" plays a part and I recognize some skaters have more of this intangible quality than others do.
In my case, as a guy I don't feel the charisma of the men as strongly as you might. To me, Lambiel and Abbott are not so different. I say that because Lambiel has no appeal to me past the way he skates and expresses the nuances of the music. I see Abbott as having a similar abilty although his style is more introverted. That is not much of a factor to me because I appreciate that Abbot's skating is so musical and just as expressive in it's own right.
I see very little difference between 2010 Plushy and Joubert. I did see more artistry and much more musicality from Plushy when he was younger.
We all have favorites and for different reasons. I happen to like Laura who has made the "nightnare podium" almost as much as Rachael.
Why is that? They are really totally different skaters but something about both of them apparently bothers many posters.
I like the way Laura moves to the music. Do I also think she is cute? umm. yes I do! Is she my favorite? No, not by a long shot but she is probably my favorite Euro Lady.
The reason I like her is for her expression and musicality. If she didn't have that I would not like her. Kiira is beautiful but her skating is not expressive enough for my taste.
I will never like Joubert as much as Abbot or Lambiel. But that doesn't mean I don't understand why the girls scream so loud for Brian. But it gets down to taste and I prefer the poets over good loking big jumpers. I do think as you pointed out that Joubert and others can and do occassionaly create performance art when they skate.
This is not easy to express. I think Bianchetti is right when she stresses how important music is to skating.
A problem with Cop was mentioned by Beka the other day. There seems to be a very important componet missing in the pcs.
That would relate to the overall effect of a program. Caro's sloppy Silver medal performance at '08 Worlds was used as an example. Apparently the CoP awarded her enough points for Silver (she almost won gold) for an LP that had so many sloppy jumps it was hard to imagine her getting any medal at all.
How her marks were good enough to win Wolrd Silver for a skate like that is hard to imagine. If we were to consider as part of the equation the overall effect of Yuna or Yukari's skating that night - if there was a category for "performance art" then no way could have Caro won a medal. I am not against Caro and think she is an immensly talented skater. But I think her Silver medal shows a clear flaw in CoP scoring. The overall effect of her performance was not great yet she was marked as if she had skated great.
I think Imaginary Pogue meant ther following year. But anyway...Pogue mentioned 2002 - and that seems like it should be easy to remember because it was an Olympic year.
My favorite though was Jamie and David. (already ducking ). Given a little room by mistakes we all saw, they skated so well and whether it was the best Pairs LP - for me it was easily the most inspired.
Ironically, Elena and Anton went the other way. Their previous season LP was their all-time masterpiece (IMHO), Charlie Chaplin. But for the Olympics they went with the more "classic" (i.e., generic) Meditation.
Join the clubAlthough I m not sure what salivates means, i got many translations.But I have a friend who salivates for Plushenko. Go figure.
I think Imaginary Pogue meant ther following year. But anyway...
That is an interesting choice on a thread about music. Sale and Pelletiere abandoned Orchid for the musically and choreographically slighter Love Story, their LP from two years previous. Orchid (Rachmaninov) and, for that matter, the previous season's Tristan and Isolde (Wagner) had much greater artistic depth. (OT -- I have a copy of the CD, with liner notes autographed by Lori Nichol. )
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Join the clubAlthough I m not sure what salivates means, i got many translations.
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dooong!It means, when you see Plushy it's like when a hungry dog sees a big, juicy steak.
janetfan has mentioned six LPs from the 01/02 season
So, can we say there are seven long programs from this season in all disciplines worthy of being called great (or two, using Mathman's stringent standards?)
Mathman thought of two great performances from the 2002/2003 season (and as he pointed out, he remembers performances above programs, which is an interesting point)...
(or two, using Mathman's stringent standards?)
I turned it off by that time. The screeching fans turn me off.