My edea chorus are breaking down after 5 months. Help.

[suristea]

Hi all. Ok, so I'm in a bit of a situation.

About 5 months ago I purchased a pair of chorus (Size 255, Width C) and I've just noticed they are starting to crease on my landing foot. I'm an older teen skater who weighs about 57kg (125 lbs), I skate about 3-4 times (6-10 hrs) per week and have all my single jumps down (I'm currently working on my doubles).

Here's the deal: I live in Sydney, Australia, and you can't find many fitters who actually know what they're doing as most specialise in hockey. I've been skating for about 6-7 years (took a long break and went back to it about a year ago) and know my way around skates. However, I was previously a Jackson skater and have recently switched to Edeas. I have very narrow but very flat feet and I could never skate with my orthotics as they caused me constant arch pain while skating. When I switched to Edeas, I instantly felt a change and am now way more comfortable skating than I ever was in Jacksons. I knew the chorus boots wouldn't last me a super long time, but I had no idea that they'd only last me 5 months, and in my honest opinion, I'd say I'd only have a few weeks left until they give out completely.

I'm looking to buy a pair of Ice Fly's (where I'm going to scrape up $800, I don't know) and I need some knowledge from everyone. For the skaters who have been skating with the Ice Fly's for a while, how long do they take to break down? I'm super scared I'm going to experience the same situation with the Ice Fly's with them breaking down 5 months. And my other question: could there be other contributing factors as to why my chorus boots broke down so easily? I know that the size of the boot plays a big role but my current boots feel pretty snug and I never tied them super tight as I know edeas are meant to be loose around the tongue. Also, are there any other skates that you'd suggest? I'm not too keen on risport as I've tried them and do not like how they feel at all. I'm open to give jacksons another go but again I'd prefer to stick to edeas.

Pls help. Thanks skaters.

 

[Coach Aimee]

While you may be under-booted in Edea Chorus, it is also possible that you could be in too large a size and/or not tying your skates correctly - the Edea way.

Signs of incorrectly lacing/tying and being in the incorrect size boot cause premature breakdown, as you have described with the creasing. Once an Edea boot creases, it is done - unfortunately.

While it's likely too late to save the boots you have before you get another pair, look at a few things, to avoid having this issue with a new pair of any Edea boot you select:

#1 - Take the insole out. How much room do you have in front of your toes? (see attached image)
#2 - Are you tying them the Edea way? (as is described here: https://edeaskates.com/en/lacing-properly/)

Before you purchase a new pair, follow Edea's guide to measuring your foot:
https://edeaskates.com/en/whats-my-size/measuring/ and ensure that you are lacing and tying your boots correctly every time!

Edea has a video explaining what can happen if you get the incorrect size: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri1SHgwfEwc

I don't like to plug myself, but I did a video specifically about how to lace and tie Edea correctly: https://youtu.be/t4EuFbwl6IU

As far as Ice Flys go, as with all Edea boots, the break-in is minimal. It's mostly just an adjustment period - not an actual break-in. You will break them down quickly if they are sized incorrectly or not consistently tied correctly.

Edea performs well if you are following the guidance that they provide. I've had Concerto's for 15 months, and I wear them for 3-5 hours a day - just coaching. But they are still going strongly. When I was still competing, I had Ice Fly for a year + the blades wore down before the boots did! But, I was doing all the things that Edea recommends, and they were professionally sized and custom shaped.

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

Hi all. Ok, so I'm in a bit of a situation.

About 5 months ago I purchased a pair of chorus (Size 255, Width C) and I've just noticed they are starting to crease on my landing foot. I'm an older teen skater who weighs about 57kg (125 lbs), I skate about 3-4 times (6-10 hrs) per week and have all my single jumps down (I'm currently working on my doubles).

Here's the deal: I live in Sydney, Australia, and you can't find many fitters who actually know what they're doing as most specialise in hockey. I've been skating for about 6-7 years (took a long break and went back to it about a year ago) and know my way around skates. However, I was previously a Jackson skater and have recently switched to Edeas. I have very narrow but very flat feet and I could never skate with my orthotics as they caused me constant arch pain while skating. When I switched to Edeas, I instantly felt a change and am now way more comfortable skating than I ever was in Jacksons. I knew the chorus boots wouldn't last me a super long time, but I had no idea that they'd only last me 5 months, and in my honest opinion, I'd say I'd only have a few weeks left until they give out completely.

I'm looking to buy a pair of Ice Fly's (where I'm going to scrape up $800, I don't know) and I need some knowledge from everyone. For the skaters who have been skating with the Ice Fly's for a while, how long do they take to break down? I'm super scared I'm going to experience the same situation with the Ice Fly's with them breaking down 5 months. And my other question: could there be other contributing factors as to why my chorus boots broke down so easily? I know that the size of the boot plays a big role but my current boots feel pretty snug and I never tied them super tight as I know edeas are meant to be loose around the tongue. Also, are there any other skates that you'd suggest? I'm not too keen on risport as I've tried them and do not like how they feel at all. I'm open to give jacksons another go but again I'd prefer to stick to edeas.

Pls help. Thanks skaters.

Concerto is the boot you should've been in all along. Go to those before you shell out for ice fly. Flat narrow-you can look at Riedell and Graf as well. Risport isn't for your foot type.

Are you an aggressive jumper? And are they just creasing from use or seriously breaking down? Can you post a photo? Bc even the chorus on you should not be breaking down this quickly.

 

[suristea]

While you may be under-booted in Edea Chorus, it is also possible that you could be in too large a size and/or not tying your skates correctly - the Edea way.

Signs of incorrectly lacing/tying and being in the incorrect size boot cause premature breakdown, as you have described with the creasing. Once an Edea boot creases, it is done - unfortunately.

While it's likely too late to save the boots you have before you get another pair, look at a few things, to avoid having this issue with a new pair of any Edea boot you select:View attachment 6703

#1 - Take the insole out. How much room do you have in front of your toes? (see attached image)
#2 - Are you tying them the Edea way? (as is described here: https://edeaskates.com/en/lacing-properly/)

Before you purchase a new pair, follow Edea's guide to measuring your foot:
https://edeaskates.com/en/whats-my-size/measuring/ and ensure that you are lacing and tying your boots correctly every time!

Edea has a video explaining what can happen if you get the incorrect size: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri1SHgwfEwc

I don't like to plug myself, but I did a video specifically about how to lace and tie Edea correctly: https://youtu.be/t4EuFbwl6IU

As far as Ice Flys go, as with all Edea boots, the break-in is minimal. It's mostly just an adjustment period - not an actual break-in. You will break them down quickly if they are sized incorrectly or not consistently tied correctly.

Edea performs well if you are following the guidance that they provide. I've had Concerto's for 15 months, and I wear them for 3-5 hours a day - just coaching. But they are still going strongly. When I was still competing, I had Ice Fly for a year + the blades wore down before the boots did! But, I was doing all the things that Edea recommends, and they were professionally sized and custom shaped.View attachment 6703

I don’t think that’s the case as they feel very snug with and without the insert. I did heaps of research before going into edea and I know you need to tie them in the hourglass way. The problem is, there really isn’t a proper professional fitter anywhere near me (closest one is a state away) so I kind of need to figure out on my own what skates are best for me.

 

[suristea]

Concerto is the boot you should've been in all along. Go to those before you shell out for ice fly. Flat narrow-you can look at Riedell and Graf as well. Risport isn't for your foot type.

Are you an aggressive jumper? And are they just creasing from use or seriously breaking down? Can you post a photo? Bc even the chorus on you should not be breaking down this quickly.

I'm not an aggressive jumper, however, I do jump more than I spin. I've only recently started working on doubles and still don't have my axel super consistent. I think they are breaking down from use, but again I haven't been skating as much in the past 5 months as I usually do. They're not super broken down but they're getting there

 

[MCsAngel2]

How much room is in front of your toes and the top of the insole? Take the insole out and take a picture (without standing on it, if the imprint of your feet can be seen). Edea 255 is equivalent to a US ladies' size 6.5, so I would assume your regular street shoe size is size 8. If your street shoe size is smaller than 8, your skates are too big/long.

 

[thisismynewsport]

How much room is in front of your toes and the top of the insole? Take the insole out and take a picture (without standing on it, if the imprint of your feet can be seen). Edea 255 is equivalent to a US ladies' size 6.5, so I would assume your regular street shoe size is size 8. If your street shoe size is smaller than 8, your skates are too big/long.

I think you reversed the sizes. Edea 255 is close to a ladies 8 street shoe. An Edea 240 is around 6.5 street shoes.

 

[MCsAngel2]

I think you reversed the sizes. Edea 255 is close to a ladies 8 street shoe. An Edea 240 is around 6.5 street shoes.

I got the size from 2 different Edea size charts, that said 255 is equivalent to a US ladies' size 6.5. I've never worn Edea so I don't have a personal frame of reference. All I know is a correctly fitted boot should run about a size and a half smaller than a street shoe size.

 

[thisismynewsport]

I got the size from 2 different Edea size charts, that said 255 is equivalent to a US ladies' size 6.5. I've never worn Edea so I don't have a personal frame of reference. All I know is a correctly fitted boot should run about a size and a half smaller than a street shoe size.

The shoe conversion chart was not done correctly. It shows a size 6 men is a women’s 6.5 street shoe, but it is really 7.5. The women’s size should be +1.5 not +0.5. I don’t know why they never corrected it.

Also someone correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t Edea sizing refer to footbed measurements not actual foot measurements?

 

[suristea]

How much room is in front of your toes and the top of the insole? Take the insole out and take a picture (without standing on it, if the imprint of your feet can be seen). Edea 255 is equivalent to a US ladies' size 6.5, so I would assume your regular street shoe size is size 8. If your street shoe size is smaller than 8, your skates are too big/long.

This is the insole. I did try the 250s when I got these boots and they felt painfully tight (as in they could not fit without me having to curl my toes)

 

[Elija]

I got the size from 2 different Edea size charts, that said 255 is equivalent to a US ladies' size 6.5. I've never worn Edea so I don't have a personal frame of reference. All I know is a correctly fitted boot should run about a size and a half smaller than a street shoe size.

255 is definitely not a 6.5. I am 6.5 street shoe and wear 240 in edea. My feet are about 236mm.

OP, from the pic those look the right size, so yes it would probably pay to get a stiffer boot. As an adult I also found chorus not supportive enough.

 

[CoffeeFan]

Can't help with the boots, but if you're based in Sydney, iSkate Canterbury is a good place to go for fittings. Keep in mind, it was my first time getting fitted when I went, so I have nothing to compare to, but they definitely seemed to know what they were doing!

 

[suristea]

Can't help with the boots, but if you're based in Sydney, iSkate Canterbury is a good place to go for fittings. Keep in mind, it was my first time getting fitted when I went, so I have nothing to compare to, but they definitely seemed to know what they were doing!

Yeah, I'm thinking of going to Margaret. It's a bit of a trek to get there but from what I've heard from my friends, she sounds promising. The only bad thing I've heard is that she apparently tends to upsell a bunch of skaters into getting a more expensive boot. That's also why I wanted to check on here first to be completely sure of what I'm getting.

 

[CoffeeFan]

Yeah, I'm thinking of going to Margaret. It's a bit of a trek to get there but from what I've heard from my friends, she sounds promising. The only bad thing I've heard is that she apparently tends to upsell a bunch of skaters into getting a more expensive boot. That's also why I wanted to check on here first to be completely sure of what I'm getting.

There is a train that stops close to the store (can't remember the name of the stop though--Kingsgrove I think? I was on vacation in Australia so I'm not super familiar with the area haha).

Interesting. Personally, that wasn't my experience. I went in thinking of Jackson Premiere or synergy elite, or Risport royal pro or RF3 pro. She actually ended up suggesting the Jackson Debuts for me, which was the cheapest option of them all lol (although she also didn't have the other Jackson boots I wanted in stock that day), but after trying on a few pairs of boots ended up going with RF3 pro. They have a good stock of blades too I think, and a tech who comes in on saturdays to mount and sharpen.

Hope you're able to make it out there. It's definitely worth it!

 

[Coach Aimee]

This is the insole. I did try the 250s when I got these boots and they felt painfully tight (as in they could not fit without me having to curl my toes)

It's difficult to tell, but it looks as if your heel is not all the way back! I wear a 255B in Edea. In Brooks Running shoes I'm a US Size 9 standard! In Riedell, I was a 6.5N. You have to be measured and cannot use a conversion chart. At the very least, please follow the instructions that I posted to take a foot tracing and measure from there. It possible that you may be in too large of a width too!

From the photos of the boot you posted, it appears that your foot does not have enough volume to fill it. There is nothing to stop the top of the boot from caving in. The boot appears misshapen and should not be worn.

 

[tstop4me]

All I know is a correctly fitted boot should run about a size and a half smaller than a street shoe size.

This simply is not true. Too much variation in shoe lasts and manufacturer's sizing schemes. My regular street shoe size is typically US Men's 9D. But sometimes, a 8.5D and sometimes a 9C, depending on the shoe. When I wore Riedell (not the best fit for me, but this was before Jackson was on the market), I wore a 9N. In Jackson, I now wear an 8W. Why the big difference? Relative to the balls of my feet, I have narrow heels. To get proper heel lock in Riedell, I needed an N width. But since the Riedell had a relatively pointed toebox, I needed a 9N to get proper toe clearance. The Jackson has the stock Elite split-width last, with the heel one width narrower than the ball. It also has a relatively rounded toebox. With this last, an 8W gives me proper toe clearance, and the stock split width gives me proper heel lock.

It would be fantastic if we could choose a boot size according to a simplistic conversion rule; but, unfortunately, real-life scenarios are waaay more complex.

 

[LolaSkatesInJapan]

This simply is not true. Too much variation in shoe lasts and manufacturer's sizing schemes. My regular street shoe size is typically US Men's 9D. But sometimes, a 8.5D and sometimes a 9C, depending on the shoe. When I wore Riedell (not the best fit for me, but this was before Jackson was on the market), I wore a 9N. In Jackson, I now wear an 8W. Why the big difference? Relative to the balls of my feet, I have narrow heels. To get proper heel lock in Riedell, I needed an N width. But since the Riedell had a relatively pointed toebox, I needed a 9N to get proper toe clearance. The Jackson has the stock Elite split-width last, with the heel one width narrower than the ball. It also has a relatively rounded toebox. With this last, an 8W gives me proper toe clearance, and the stock split width gives me proper heel lock.

It would be fantastic if we could choose a boot size according to a simplistic conversion rule; but, unfortunately, real-life scenarios are waaay more complex.

Thank you for the detailed explanation!

I'm not a professional fitter, but was fitted by a professional, I wear Edeas and my skates are not one size and a half smaller than my trainers, for example.

Depending on the model and shape of the street shoe or if I will wear it with thick socks, thin tights, or just my foot inside it, the size of a street shoe also changes.

Usually my trainers size is 24.5 cm. My Edea size is 255 B (I have thin, narrow feet with long thin toes).