Nathan Chen

[back2black]

really dislike his first part of LP it's just quad cascading

but i know i'm being picky,

if he can pack loads of stuff in this part, he will become unbeatable when he cleans

compared with chan and hanyu at this age, chen is something else

he has the potential to become goat

 

[sabinfire]

His free from NBCSN!!!!! https://youtu.be/p9xyFvrhrEc

 

[SelfOM]

I went to see Meryl Davis and Charlie White skate today in a free event in Cleveland(they were wonderful), but I overheard two separate groups gushing about Nathan Chen. The hype is real!

 

[reneerose]

really dislike his first part of LP it's just quad cascading

but i know i'm being picky,

if he can pack loads of stuff in this part, he will become unbeatable when he cleans

compared with chan and hanyu at this age, chen is something else

he has the potential to become goat

he really needs more artistic stuff in between those jumps....maybe slow it down a little too...it would be more complete........

 

[Arriba627]

Nathan and Raf in the Kiss and Cry were just too funny. I wondered if Raf would kiss Nathan and then cry, or cry first and then kiss him! What an achievement for both of them. Congratulations!

 

[xeyra]

Congrats on the gold, Nathan, and on joining the 300-club (which we all knew you'd eventually do with those quads). Worlds is going to be lit!

 

[Tahuu]

It's not important that he won--this is just a relatively minor competition. It's more important that he was able to hold up fairly well under such intense pressure despite skating not his best. Hopefully he'll polish things up by worlds.

Yes, I like his cool, calm and no nonsense persona under the intense pressure.

 

[Plisskin]

All that complaining in the Men's FS thread about "disrespectful Nathan fans" when all I mostly saw was people slagging off Nathan's skating. I know it comes with the territory when you start winning, especially against someone like Yuzuru who has a lot of passionate fans, but it is kinda annoying sometimes. Anyway, congrats to him! I love that the U.S finally not only has a medal contender, but a consistent one who doesn't back down from pressure and hype. I hope to see a better FS and SP at Worlds. He let the artistic side fall by the wayside at this comp. Especially in the LP which he really needs because let's keep it real, that program is choreographically not good and needs some interpretation to make it not boring.

 

[Plumededragon]

The problem comes with some Nathan's fans that are already saying that he's better simply by winning once against Yuzuru. Like they forget that Nathan, while he showed he can challenge the ones on top, still has quite the road ahead of him to become the full package skater.
At least, Nathan is realistic about it and shows much respect to the skaters he admires. I prefer it that way, that the skater is down to Earth if some fans can't do it.

 

[matmuh]

His free from NBCSN!!!!! https://youtu.be/p9xyFvrhrEc

thanks so much sabinfire!! :hap85: are you planning to add more videos of other skaters by any chance? can i make request?

 

[Plisskin]

The problem comes with some Nathan's fans that are already saying that he's better simply by winning once against Yuzuru. Like they forget that Nathan, while he showed he can challenge the ones on top, still has quite the road ahead of him to become the full package skater.
At least, Nathan is realistic about it and shows much respect to the skaters he admires. I prefer it that way, that the skater is down to Earth if some fans can't do it.

I only saw 2 maybe 3 posters even fit that description. There were way more comments disparaging his skating. Which has now moved on to posters making Nathan PCS complaining threads in the Edge. I do agree that Nathan is realistic and he always compliments skaters he likes, like Yuzu.

 

[demarinis5]

Congrats to Nathan for winning the Gold Medal!

 

[gsyzf]

The problem comes with some Nathan's fans that are already saying that he's better simply by winning once against Yuzuru. Like they forget that Nathan, while he showed he can challenge the ones on top, still has quite the road ahead of him to become the full package skater.
At least, Nathan is realistic about it and shows much respect to the skaters he admires. I prefer it that way, that the skater is down to Earth if some fans can't do it.

The current judging system rewards quads more than other elements and skills. When two skaters are both perceived as medal contenders, whoever lands the most quads wins. PCS is the tie breaker when two skaters land the same number of quads. Whether or not fans agree with it, that's the reality of judging today. Skaters are simply gaming the system. Whoever gets the most points wins. There is a reason why judges don't differentiate GOE and PCS significantly now. Before Sochi, judges gave very high GOE and PCS to Patrick than the rest of the field, which allowed him to win with very flawed performances and thus led to many controversies. The ISU couldn't afford more controversies to happen at the Olympics when the whole world is watching. So judges gave similar GOE and PCS to skaters who were perceived as medal favorites, so the medal contender who gave the cleanest performances, with the least mistakes will win.

I said a long time ago that Yuzuru must have the highest BV if he wants to win the next Olympics. By the time of the Olympics, Yuzuru won't have much GOE or PCS advantages just like Patrick hardly had any GOE or PCS advantage in Sochi Olympics. No GOE or PCS can save him when he has much lower base values than his rivals. I know fans want to use last season's scores to justify that he could still win with GOE and PCS. But last season's scores are hyper inflated scores that creates an illusion that one can get substantially higher GOE and PCS over his rivals and win with lower BV. Yuzuru himself can't score near the WR this season even when he skates an equally/more difficult program clean because judges are less generous this season. (His BV in the FS at this 4cc is 2+ points lower than SEIMEI and he was clean, yet he only scored 206+. Last season's FS scores were inflated by about 10 points using this season's judging standard.) I wish Yuzuru had won 4CC because that's the only title he is missing. I wish he can win the next Olympics with good performances because I don't want him to be remembered as a guy who won the Olympics with 2 falls. But if he wants to win without relying on his rivals' mistakes, he needs to have at least similar BV as Nathan, not significantly lower BV than Nathan. He is outjumped by Nathan right now. Given his status and titles, he has been cautious and hesitant to up his tech because he has too much to lose at this stage of his career. Losing 4CC isn't a bad thing for Yuzuru because that will actually motivate him to up his tech. (Nathan is like a young Plushenko and Yuzuru is like Yagudin before Salt Lake City Olympics.)

I almost wished Nathan didn't win 4CC because I was afraid he will get a lot of criticism from die-hard Yuzuru fans. Shoma gets even more criticism from die-hard Yuzu fans. Tbh, I am a bit disappointed and tired of seeing many die-hard Yuzu fans criticising younger skaters like Nathan and Shoma who are challenging Yuzuru. These younger skaters are just gaming the system to get as many points as possible like everyone else. Once the veterans retire and the rules change after 2018, the younger skaters like Nathan and Shoma will change their strategies too.

 

[Sjs5572]

No mention on Amber Glenn's Twitter about Nathan win. Did they break up? Also, training mate Ashley's silence on Twitter is deafening....what could that be about?

 

[Arriba627]

Congratulations to Nathan on his gold medal! I hope that next year for the Olympic season he has two programs that showcase his talent better (beyond the jumping ability) and challenge him to show his artistic side. He is a hard worker, very competitive, and highly motivated. I know he can do it. Hopefully he will continue to work with Marina on his artistry.

 

[Arriba627]

^^^Note -- I think Nathan and Amber Glenn broke up and she is now dating another skater. Not 100% certain though.

 

[deedee1]

Many congrats to Nathan for winning 4CC, one of the ISU's major Championships at his first showing (isn't it?), which is well-deserved of course!

My jaws just dropped again and agin while watching his Free skate, I don't remember how I did manage to pick them up at the end?! So impressive!

Will surely give him a confidence boost as he's going to the Worlds next month. :yes: Good luck and stay healthy, please.

eta. I was trying to post n congratulate all medalists in the 4CC threads, but decided rather not n write it here. hwell:

 

[Plisskin]

I re-watched his free from 4CC today and I can't believe I didn't notice that his FS layout is changed. No wonder he made a few mistakes. His last jumping pass for instance is a 3A, his shakiest jump. The choreo at the end was different too. I wonder if it is wise to change it so close to Worlds? Also, I love that he said such nice things about Yuzuru in the press conference, how he changed the sport by combining tech/artistry and looks up to him. I hope Marina does his LP next season too. Preferably not some old fashioned ballet piece though.

 

[lakeforest]

I noticed the layout change while watching it live. Yes, that explained why the less than perfect performance. Another reason was the unexpected step out of the first 4T. After that, he needed to think of plan B and couldn't focus on execution 100%.

 

[KatGrace1925]

Jackie Wong announced the layout change before he skated. He had a different combo planned off the first 3A. Overall it was good to run with a more difficult layout now because he can clean it up before worlds.