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Nathan Chen

No Good EX. Looks like Nathan practiced it this time. :cool: But no more hip thrusts. I wonder if he just doesn't feel comfortable doing that move.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikEDCSRtPjw

BTW, here's Romain's EX. Notable because he attempts both 3A and 4T, although the 4T was popped. Nathan must feel inferior. :laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBSNOlCGTiE

He should be. Romain got higher GOE for both jumps than him in the free, 3.66 GOE for 4T,and 1.88 for 3A while Nathan got 3.53 for 4t and -0.11 for 3A.

Per this Olympic channel article, they decided to change the layout before yesterday’s practice, replacing the 4s and 4lz with 4f and 4t. Did he have trouble with 4lz also? With only 2 weeks left and finals coming, and without Raf around, I am wondering if he can add the 4lz back for GPF. He keeps getting edge call for his flips, would Raf be going to change things around?

“We made the decision yesterday, before practice. I’m not yet at the level I should be. Skating a clean program is very important nowadays. Also, I need to be realistic with myself. I skated the maximum I could pull as now,” Chen added. And yet, watching Chen skate, one could feel that his program still had a lot of potential.

https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018...x-france-day-4/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

As to the edge call, Romain didn’t get edge call for his 3f yesterday. I also checked the SkAm results where lots of flips got edge calls, but Brezina was one of the very few didn’t get it for his free. I am seriously confused right now. Is Nathan targeted?
 
The flip ! call is such BS. A really deep inside edge take off on the flip is pretty impossible and leads to all sorts of instability and is more prone to pre-rotation (if I’m not mistaken, Shoma is one example). A lot of coaches teach skaters to take off from more of a flat, which is much stabler. Nathan’s entry trajectory and body position on take off show he’s clearly leaning toward the inside of the rotation circle.
 
Kaleo for Romain and Nathan's ex, and both wearing white shirts too :cool:

No hip thrusts ... oh well, we'll always have Nationals gala performance

The 'Kiss your baby goodbye' blowing a kiss (if you can call it that) always makes me lol

But omg Nathan looks so good :love:
 
Raf on Skype (FaceTime!) coaching: https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018...x-france-day-2/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Team USA’s Nathan Chen has to cope with a dual challenge, starting this season: keeping winning and developing his sport as he has these last seasons, and carrying a load of studies at the prestigious Yale University he enrolled earlier this fall.

“I now train full time in New Haven (where Yale is located),” Chen explained. “I have no time to go back to L.A. (where his perennial coach, Rafael Arutunian, coaches). We just call one another regularly.”

“I do my best,” Arutunian explained. “I can’t stop Nathan to do his studies. But it’s not easy. Actually, when I was a younger coach, I didn’t believe in such a way of teaching, mainly because I didn’t know. But now I realize it is quite possible.

“It requires two things: one, that you are a very high level professional, so you understand what’s going on and what you’re talking about when you analyze your skater’s problem. And second, that you are very well organized on the other end. The skater explains the problem to his coach, and the coach gives his recommendation about what to do. And on the other end the skater needs to do it.

“In this system you have only one attempt each time: this is the problem, here is the recommendation, and then you have to do it.

“Being physically present together makes it much easier, of course. It gives you more potential attempts. I can put a hand on your shoulder to show you a move, and I can feel where and how you are precisely. We can even go talk over it at the coffee machine.

“I could easily coach via Skype. But if you want to solve or learn or understand something, Skype may not even be necessary. Telephone can do it. It may even be better, actually (he laughs): coaches have to give one recommendation, not 25!”
 
That was all over the place - Rocks for Jocks at Penn State ...

According to them, Nathan is barely surviving and just hanging on :p
 
It's really kind of annoying. I get thinking he could do better (he could, which he said), but a lot of people don't give him the same consideration they are giving other skaters who are also going through life and coaching changes, and not doing all that well while doing so. While Nathan is staying in the top of his sport at the moment. I mean, I know he's stressing them out, but calm down. And they got who did his FS wrong while ranting about everyone getting it wrong. :laugh:
 
Meh, it’s one of those things where many are waiting for him to fail just so they can say they were right and it’s not doable. What Nathan is trying to pull off is mega ambitious and they’re used to skaters in the past who’ve tried this failing so they’re waiting for the shoe to drop, even if they don’t mean it maliciously. That’s how it always is, people tell you a million times how if can’t be done until someone manages to pull it off and they have to shut up about it.

He won’t be given the same consideration because there is higher expectations for him and he’s made out to be some superhuman where everything should come easy for him and it’s hard for people to give a person perceived as a prodigy as having an real difficulty. He should just magically be perfect at everything all at once.

It is what it is. I don’t think it bothers him, probably to busy to even care about proving anybody wrong. Just needs to take it one day at a time like he’s been doing and he’ll be fine.
 
I just listened the part starting 1:06 mark, maybe you girls prepared me well, it didn’t sound bad to me. They really want Nathan to win the world title again and wish him to be with Raf full time, which to me is understandable, and that is what lots of non fans think. Even among fans, not everyone is onboard with Nathan training himself. Even for Raf who has much more positive opinions about training via FaceTime now, he still prefers face to face communication, otherwise why bother to fly to Moscow to train and then fly all the way to France?

As to the Penn State talk, it is more about the demanding workload of Yale, which I am not mad at all, on the contrary i appreciated Dave pointing out that Yale is not the place where you pay your bills and you are all set. You really need to work hard. There were people just recently attacking Nathan saying he would have easier time at Yale, which couldn’t be further from truth. A GSer was defending Nathan really hard. Nathan is studying very hard to stay at the top, with sleep and training hours impacted, which he stated in more than one interviews.

Nathan stated very clear he is not where he should be, he is not at the level of last year. I am sure he would balance the two plus having adequate sleep down the road, and probably with more help/training with Raf, but that has not been happening so far, he doesn’t have enough sleep, not all quads are not at the level he could comfortably bring into his programs so far, and the programs did suffer to some degree in this competition
 
The way I see it, Worlds is what should be his priority. GPF is nice and all but it’s third priority behind Worlds and Nationals so it really doesn’t concern me if he wins it or not. I think at worst he’ll place third as no one else is really near the scoring level as the top 3 so if he has the same BV as Skate America (or maybe get rid of the flip in the SP), he’ll be set for a podium finish at the very least. Nationals is pretty much a given even if he messes up. So I want him to peak at Worlds, that’s where I hope everything comes together for him. Everything else is a test run for that and unlike GPF, Worlds won’t be around finals time if I’m not mistaken.

I hope he skips 4CC, it’s really not necessary unless he wants to use it as a test event for Worlds with higher content BV.

And most of all, I hope he passes all his finals lol
 
The workload at Yale isn’t that of the easy science classes at Penn State or the psychology classes the gymnasts supposedly take at Georgia ... to state the obvious.

And yes, Nathan has a lot of room for improvement as he acknowledges - but I don’t think it’s quite as doom and gloom and ‘barely surviving’ as these two make the current situation out to be. Obviously it’s not the ideal training situation - but it’s not like it’s completely not working.

I don’t see Nathan withdrawing next semester to focus on worlds, as they suggest.
 
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