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Nathan Chen

The GPF is like a week before his school final exams right? I hope he keeps it simple, just spend time on tightening up his levels and wherever he places is where he places. If there’s one competition he can “sacrifice” (as in not go all out for a win), it’s this one. Exams are stressful enough, I’m tired for him just thinking about it lol

But then he’ll have a long break before next semester and he can really train hardcore for Nationals and Worlds so I just want him to get through these next 3 or so weeks of chaos.
 
I disagree with you. When he lands his quads no Jason or Mihael can score higher. He is a student and an athlete!
He is impressive .... nothing but respect!
You win some and you lose some. Quads are here to stay, no matter what! The sport can’t go backwards!
I'm not suggesting him to stop doing quads. I am suggesting that he builds on his current content by further perfecting his quads as well as OTHER elements before adding more quads. I want to see quality from him over quantity for once - because we have already seen plenty of the latter and he has proven time and time again he can land A LOT of quads. Maybe it's time to prove he can work on quality as well. But it's ultimately his decision what kind of skater he wants to be known as, not mine.

I agree with discode about the connotation associated with the title Quad King. Sure it's a great athletic achievement and he should be proud of achieving that, but in the context of figure skating it hints at one-dimension-ness and people associate Quad King with being a jumping bean or jump machine and that's just the way it is perceived - and I don't like it because he could be MUCH more than that. Whether it's been a hindrance to his growth as a skater, we can agree to disagree.
 

“Part time skater these days, studying at Yale” lol

oatmella, lots lots of curls

https://twitter.com/nwcgold2018/status/1067210530773852160?s=20

EX pictures from Patinage Magazine

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Those black tape :(

https://twitter.com/dsntedge/status/1067201666217316353?s=20

sheetz is right that we might be too impatient to see him develop into the skater what he is capable of becoming. He clearly knows what he needs to work on and already sets goals for himself, he might be behind of what is in the planning with so many changes going on in life. Speaking of rule change, it is not just shortening of fp, there are also UR call changes, GOE changes etc, yet he still manage to deliver 4 almost clean programs with just one fall. We are kinda spoiled by him.

heyheyhey, there is a week of reading period after GPF, he has to miss about 3 days of school if he wants to go to the OP.

ETA: Ahhh this is too cute

https://twitter.com/Honeywater1214/status/1067219749807898624?s=20

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I find calling an adult whatever king is kind of ... silly...but it's just me and I think it's ok as long as people are not too serious or obsessed with it :biggrin:
 
Well it works for LeBron :p

Though both him and Nathan have had their royal nicknames since they were high school-age

And Nathan even has his ornately decorated sneakers from the limited edition ‘Long Live the King’ release :)
 
It's interesting from Nadia's interview that some skaters like Michelle kwan dont wear socks. And some skaters wear their socks for a long time so they can felt (if I understand correctly) and feel like second skin.
 
Yes, many of us do not wear socks. I used to not but then switched to just wearing the same socks until they were worn out (and yes they were washed over time LOL).
 
Obviously I don't know how much it would take, but I really hope that Nathan/his team, having seen the way Mikhail was able to score over 100 at last year's worlds with 1 quad and now how Jason was able to score 96 in the SP with only triples, realize to shift focus to perfecting his elements so he can score more efficiently. Forget about being the quad king. I truly feel this stupid title--and I'm sorry if others love it--has unnecessarily burdened/pressured him to do as many quads as he could even when his condition was less than ideal. Work on your GOEs instead of killing yourself over adding more BV!!!!!! His spins are looking really subpar these days.

I agree, that the quad king title is something that he must be very proud of and that he supposedly identifies with a lot (he's a teenage boy after all, and one that doesn't exactly enjoy the frilly side of FS at that, plus he's always loved jumps and admired the athleticism of it), but that it also puts pressure on him to 'deliver‘.

And obviously he needs to improve his GOE… especially if he wants to rival Shoma or get a bit closer to Yuzu.

But his spins look fine to me (but I've always enjoyed his spins, so I'm biased, and I'm apparently not good at spotting what would be considered a ‚great position‘).

And I'd like to note, that even though he lost several level and one basic position on the spins from his SP in France, all his spins in the FS were a level 4 and the GOE that he got on all three of them was the same, if not slightly higher, that he used to get last season (I adjusted the numbers of course, to be able to compare).

And really, if you compare Jason’s to Nathan’s GOE on spins in the FS, Jason collects one more point in total… yes, one point can sometimes make a difference, but getting good GOE on a successful quad or even a triple is a lot more ‚lucrative‘, because their BV is higher.

But an amazing triple with maximum GOE still scores less than a quad with neutral GOE (except for 3A of course)… so unless the skater is very prone to making a mistake on his quad, it’s still worth trying a quad, because he might get positive GOE on it. And even if it turns out merely average, he still doesn’t score less than with a perfect triple (and succeeding at that is not a guarantee either).

Of course, too many quads drain the energy out of the skater and the performance suffers, plus, with more quads, their quality will also go down, so naturally there should be some balance.

So a reasonable amount of quads, with hopefully 1-2 good ones among them, and no big mistakes, that’s the focus, because a slight improvement in spin GOE is still peanuts, comparatively. Levels are more important pointswise, because the higher the BV, the higher the additional points through GOE.
I do think the StSq and ChSq are very important, because they also factor into the PCS, albeit not 'officially'.

I'd say his biggest problem was and still is the 3A.
As long as Shoma and Yuzu are doing two of those in their FS with great or even amazing quality… (and also landing several quads) it’s hard do compete with that, because Nathan would need 1-2 additional quads to match that and make up for the one, inconsistent 3A that he does.
But I have no idea how he's supposed to improve his 3A, I mean, it's not like he hasn't already been working on it for all those years.
 
He’s been consistent with his 3A this season. He’s only got negative GOE on it once this season & it was fairly small (like 0.5 or less iirc), otherwise it’s been decent compared to past seasons. It’s not as good as Shoma/Yuzu but he also makes less mistakes than Shoma does so he makes up for it in other ways. He’s eventually gonna to have to up his BV but against at least Shoma, his lower BV has helped him score better through the season eventhough he has 2 less quads and 1 less 3A overall in his programs because he’s been more consistent. Not that he should depend on others mistakes but I think for the GPF atleast, adding in one quad more in the SP and keeping the same layout for the LP and sticking to relatively clean skates (please stop doing the flip in the SP Nathan por favor 🙏) should be enough.

We’ll see I suppose. I just want the poor kid to pass his finals lol. He said during IDF he had finals in 2 weeks, a Spanish test on Tuesday, and a paper due this week eeeekkkk 😬
 
Nathan’s the only one of the three who has landed all his 3A so far this season :p. It has gotten better/more reliable this season - no pops, no falls! But obviously Yuzuru and Shoma are capable of great ones.

Not worried that Nathan won’t pass his finals - but our Quad King probably wants a 4.0 GPA:cool: High standards!
 
So a reasonable amount of quads, with hopefully 1-2 good ones among them, and no big mistakes, that’s the focus, because a slight improvement in spin GOE is still peanuts, comparatively. Levels are more important pointswise, because the higher the BV, the higher the additional points through GOE.
I do think the StSq and ChSq are very important, because they also factor into the PCS, albeit not 'officially'.
I would say executing spins very well also has a similar effect as doing step and choreo sequences well in that it adds to the overall impression and hence leads to a boost in PCS. There's something about skating big and performing each element with total commitment and stretch elevating the perception of the performance which I don't see from his spins in particular yet, even if the levels are good. I'd really, really love to see him work on his camel for one, especially the change foot..
 
I would say executing spins very well also has a similar effect as doing step and choreo sequences well in that it adds to the overall impression and hence leads to a boost in PCS. There's something about skating big and performing each element with total commitment and stretch elevating the perception of the performance which I don't see from his spins in particular yet, even if the levels are good. I'd really, really love to see him work on his camel for one, especially the change foot..

I get what you mean and I agree, but I don't particularly care for spins, so I'm biased towards footwork ;).

I would also argue that usually his combo spin is pretty effective at making an impression, and he regularly gets the highest GOE on it, which isn't bad at all, usually around 70 % of the possible maximum GOE, then it's approx. 60 % on his other spin (combo or sit), and then even lower GOE on his camel, which is the obvious weak point.
But yes, Shoma's last spin in every program has even more oomph to it, though... which doesn't earn him much more in terms of points, but yes, it makes for a more impressive program.

But I don't get the feeling that Nathan's spins are sloppy per se (except on an off day, but every skater has that once in a while). They're decent, but they should be faster, especially his camel, because that's the one position that usually looks somewhat lazy to me :laugh: (But then again, he's one of the few men who has a straight skating leg in all of his camel positions, so I tend to forgive him for everything else, because a bent skating leg while doing a camel spin is my biggest pet peeve).
 
Yo, what up with Nathan and Zhenya, they never ever seem to take picture together, even last year at cup of russia. They seem to avoid each other after both winning gold, Nathan take picture with all the russian girls, but it kinda seem like these two oddly or concidence avoid each other lol, there my two favs single skater
 
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