Julia is good but there are at least five other skaters I would rather see on the podium. She is not great yet.
There have been skaters on the podium in the past who were not great.
Julia is good but there are at least five other skaters I would rather see on the podium. She is not great yet.
Nonsense, you can have a winning attitude and still be respectful and gracious to your competitors. Yuzuru here and the likes of Daisuke Takahashi, who's beloved not only for his skating but his humble personality, come to mind.
Anyway, this was an unfortunate thing to say but I think Patrick just had another foot in mouth moment here, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Still, he has to be more careful of his words from this point on - in the runup to the Olympics, people are going to be analyzing his every word and he needs to expect that. Hoping he gets through the Olympics with minimal controversy, so the attention can be solely on his skating.
... It seems like some hang on every word out of Patrick's mouth and turn it into a negative.
I reacted to chain's statement as many of you did, but on reviewing I really think he was being sarcastic and it misfired.
... I also met Patrick and boy was that funny, first of all i have a newfound respect for Patrick now, he is not cocky whatsoever and you can see that he appreciates his fans, he was willingly posing for pictures then kathy came and started chase everyone away, babling about theyre on a tight schedule and he needs to rest, she was running in and out of the elevator like a headless chicken like shes so important and kept saying come patrick, Patrick just ignored her and kept interacting with the fans, very classy! Also i noticed after he got his record score today, all the media and everyone was around him and he just left them and instead started signing autograps for fans from the tribune for like 15 min! And the whole time the media wanted to talk to him but he just kept signing!! ...
I agree that Chan's comment was intended to be ironic and self-deprecating.
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The following is a bit of a non sequitur, but Chan kept the media at TEB waiting many minutes in order to spend time with fans first -- as reported by one of our own at GS, Sara M.
The point is that pleasing the media is not Chan's #1 priority -- and that is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.
SaraM shared her observations in a TEB thread. Her real goal had been to meet Jason Brown (who also was/is a lovely person), and then she happened to meet Chan too.
:agree: Agree with your complaints against Schlanger after showing Davis/White's FD.
Virtue/Moir broke D/W's world records in both the SD and FD ... and then D/W broke both of V/M's minutes-old WRs.
Although D/W are Americans and NBC is an American network, shame on Schlanger for ignoring the real take-home message of the GPF dance competition: the rivalry btwn D/W and V/M is very much alive. :yes:
On a different subject: glad that NBC acknowledged the pairs competition this time.
And thanks to SS and to the mods for getting the thread title changed.
Like, come on lol, you're amazing and people have been touting you as the next big thing for the last few years and you are proving yourself. You are a threat, own it and stop the shocked humble stuff. Lol
A day following the conclusion of the competition, Hanyu took a fresh look back.
"It's a huge accomplishment to have been able to deliver my performance without getting carried away by Patrick's great presence. In the free, I believe that I'm capable of breaking 100 points in TES if I land the quad salchow. Instead of being overly conscious of Takahashi, Machida and Patrick, I should focus on my own performance and of course, it'd be great if it shows in the result. That's not to deny that I want to win, that I'm full of regrets, that I want to become stronger and that I want to see a gold medal after a long while. It's just that I've come to think that if I perform [to the best of my ability], I definitely can win, so I want to focus on myself. [It's about finding] balance. I think the way I maintain my focus may have changed a bit."
This. :thumbsup: To be honest, I've heard the phrase so many times that I've become desensitized by it. That, or I've learned to paraphrase every comment Patrick makes as he's not exactly the most tactful skater around and is relatively prone to make a Freudian slip.Don't athletes in sports other than figure skating say this kind of stuff all the time -- without the perception of being dismissive of or condescending toward their rivals? :confused2: :think:
This is what he said after Trophée Eric Bompard, originally published in a Japanese article on November 19, 2013.
http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/sports/figureskate/all/1314/columndtl/201311190003-spnavi
It's the matter of drawing the line between confidence and arrogance. "I can swear that I don't see myself a rival at all" and "Patrick is an existence above the clouds (unreachable)" but "if I perform [to the best of my ability], I can win."
He's not exactly self-effacing, he's a confident and proud young man but he knows when to be modest, regardless of whether it's intentional or not.
That said, I don't think that Chan's remark is so distasteful that it warrants a few pages of overblown reactions.
This. :thumbsup: To be honest, I've heard the phrase so many times that I've become desensitized by it. That, or I've learned to paraphrase every comment Patrick makes as he's not exactly the most tactful skater around and is relatively prone to make a Freudian slip.
You know, there are just some people who think they're clever and witty and funny and simply cannot tell a joke or carry off an ironic comment. Mr Chan strikes me as one of these types.
Then again, trash talking is a great sports tradition--especially in North America. My goodness, what Mr Chan said is nothing compared to what you might hear at any average American Little League game any given summer. And that's only what you hear from the spectator/parents!
Patrick just said he "let Hanyu win this one." Oh Patrick... I love your programs but ...
Bored watching Ashley ..... Johnny thinks that the audience did not connect with her FP performance.
If Lipnitskaia had a fall, I would agree with you. But I dislike the whole falling on a more difficult jump = win over someone skating a clean program.
I suggest people go back and listen again to what Patrick said. He didn't say he LET Hanyu win this one - he said it was OKAY for Hanyu to win this one. BIG difference people. And yes I would agree that the dance competition is going to be fierce but don't think Schlanger was out of line....the last 2 times the teams have met, D&W have won. Doesn't matter if its a landslide or a tenth of a point. They won and certainly deserve to be considered the favorites going into the Olys. I think the Free Dance at the Olys is going to be the most exciting competition of the whole season.
Nonsense, you can have a winning attitude and still be respectful and gracious to your competitors. Yuzuru here and the likes of Daisuke Takahashi, who's beloved not only for his skating but his humble personality, come to mind.
Anyway, this was an unfortunate thing to say but I think Patrick just had another foot in mouth moment here, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Still, he has to be more careful of his words from this point on - in the runup to the Olympics, people are going to be analyzing his every word and he needs to expect that. Hoping he gets through the Olympics with minimal controversy, so the attention can be solely on his skating.
I'd rather see small jumps over attempted big jumps with falls.
There have been skaters on the podium in the past who were not great.
I understand how some people can accept Patrick's statement and even applaud him for the arrogance, but I think to a lot of casual FS viewers, it comes across as being very conceited and a sore loser. As zydeco88 mentioned, there is a very fine line between coming across as confident or obnoxious. Watching the GPF with a few friends and family members who don't follow skating closely, he just came off as kind of a jerk to them. hwell:
Sure Patrick can live up to his words. But just because you can say something doesn't always mean you should...and this certainly isn't a rare occurrence with him.
My husband definitely felt that way too. He said that he felt the interview started out well but then went into "douche land" with that comment.
Johnny Weir and Evan Lysacek finished in an exact numerical tie (244.77) at 2007 U.S. Nationals, and Lysacek won on the tie-breaker. IIRC Weir's comment was, "Well, I have three (U.S. titles), so I'll let him have two."
Cultural norms. The "Heroic Boast" in western literature goes back to Beowulf, Homer, and Gilgamesh. Courteous speech is more valued in Japan.
I'm a Salt River roarer! I'm a ring-tailed squealer! I'm a regular squealer from the old Massassip! WHOOP! I'm the very infant that refused his milk before its eyes were open and called out for a bottle of old Rye! I love the women & I'm chockful of fight! I'm half wild horse and half cock-eyed alligator and the rest of me is crooked snags and red hot snappin' turkle. I can hit like fourth proof lightnin' and every lick I make in the woods lets in an acre o' sunshine. I can out-run, out-jump, out-fight, rough 'n' tumle, no holds barred, any man both sides of the river from Pittsburgh to New Orleans an back agin to St. Louiee. C'mon you flatters, you bargers, you milk white mechanics an' see how tough I am to chew! I ain't had a fight for two days, and I'm spileing' for exercise. Cock a doodle do!
My view is that there are just too many fake people and those who smile at you but backstab you in this world. Times after times, we learn from news that the worst of the crooks turned out to be sweetest talkers and often, the best liars. No need to look very far however, just ask yourself, how many times have you or have one of your girlfriends fall for a sweet talking guy who turned out to be a jerk? What's amazing to me people keep falling for the same trick without learning the lesson, not that I am talking about any poster in particular
Figure Skating is already very much a politically correct sport. With few exceptions, most of the so called "controversial" statements from a number of skaters are really much ado about nothing and nothing. I am reminded also of the "onry one sandwrich" incident from Graice Gold - again, much ado about nothing and nothing. Seriously, people who find these statements objectionable really need a life and get away from their computer screen for a while. There are so many real injustices and real discriminations in this world that seriously demand our attention, even in sports, that these non-senses just seem like a joke in comparison.
My view is that there are just too many fake people and those who smile at you but backstab you in this world. Times after times, we learn from news that the worst of the crooks turned out to be sweetest talkers and often, the best liars. No need to look very far however, just ask yourself, how many times have you or have one of your girlfriends fall for a sweet talking guy who turned out to be a jerk? What's amazing to me people keep falling for the same trick without learning the lesson, not that I am talking about any poster in particular.
Figure Skating is already very much a politically correct sport. With few exceptions, most of the so called "controversial" statements from a number of skaters are really much ado about nothing and nothing. I am reminded also of the "onry one sandwrich" incident from Graice Gold - again, much ado about nothing and nothing. Seriously, people who find these statements objectionable really need a life and get away from their computer screen for a while. There are so many real injustices and real discriminations in this world that seriously demand our attention, even in sports, that these non-senses just seem like a joke in comparison.
How about Mohammed Ali? His classic, "I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee". His fame reaches every nook and corner of the earth. Who doesn't know Mohammed Ali? Ask the men. Those who find Patrick's jest comment arrogant, they will find Mohammed Ali an a##$%hole.dorispulaski said:Math is right. The epic boast is a traditional genre. I always figure the best follow at it was Mike Fink, king of the riverboatmen on the Mississippi.