Pairs Short Program

[lilybear]

of course not, the marks on S/S is ridiculously high .

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Originally Posted by ANW
of course not, the marks on Zhang/Zhang is ridiculously high.

There I corrected that for you. .

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[lilybear]

of course not, the marks on S/S is ridiculously high to embarrassing level but again I am not surprised it's figure skating after all.

I agree with you!!!

 

[oleada]

Though Zhang/Zhang's PCS is higher than before, the gap between Z&Z and S&Z still shows in scores.Isn't it? I think P&T should be closer to Z&Z and S&S too.
I konw S&S have good tecnics,but I think their performance in this competition is not good.

Aside from the two footed throw, they had a great performance. They got at least a level 3 on every element. Level 3 on the twist, step sequence and side by side spins, as well as level 4 for the death spiral, pair spin and lift.

 

[dlarry1]

Aside from the two footed throw, they had a great performance. They got at least a level 3 on every element. Level 3 on the twist, step sequence and side by side spins, as well as level 4 for the death spiral, pair spin and lift.

How do you know that? Are the protocols out?

 

[oleada]

It is on the ISU wrap-up article for day 1.
http://www.isu.org/vsite/vcontent/c...-3787-4771-layout160-129898-news-item,00.html

Savchenko/Szolkowy opened their innovative “Bollywood” program to “Asoka” with a high throw triple flip, but she two-footed it. Unfazed, the Germans went on to produce a triple twist that was graded a level three and an excellent side by side triple toeloop. Their scored highly also for their remaining elements, achieving a level four for the pair combination spin, the Axel Lasso lift as well as for the backward inside death spiral. Their side by side combination spin and their straight line step sequence were graded a level three by the Technical Panel.

 

[waxel]

I like S/S. But both their SP and LP are disappointing this season. Two questionable music choices combined with repetitive choreography and tasteless costumes leave one wanting so much more. And has anyone taken a close look at the throw triple flip? Some think it looks more like a throw triple toe. Seriously don't mean to rag on them- but they have so much potential- and it seems to be squandered this season.

 

[netnuts]

I like S/S. But both their SP and LP are disappointing this season. Two questionable music choices combined with repetitive choreography and tasteless costumes leave one wanting so much more. And has anyone taken a close look at the throw triple flip? Some think it looks more like a throw triple toe. Seriously don't mean to rag on them- but they have so much potential- and it seems to be squandered this season.

I think their SP is terrifc, but their long is slow .

 

[oleada]

I love the SP.
I think the LP is the kind of program that demands to be skated perfectly. The music is monotonous, so the choreography and the program must overcome it. I think they've gotten better at getting their stroking to match the music. I think the LP is a beautiful program, however, they haven't managed to skate up to it yet.

 

[pengdequan]

Sorry, but no way. P&T don't have nearly edge quality, connection, originality, transitions, choreography nor performance qualities S&S have.

Do you understand figure skating?For me,ss pcs should be lower than P/T.P/T chenmistry is much better than S/S ,and p/t skate with pure heart.They flow on the ice,they know how to perform,and beautiful choreograph where s/s is not as good as them!For me ,I will never understand how p/t get lower marks for pcs than s/s even lower than z/z!!!!

 

[skatingfan04]

Seemed like pretty good skates for the top teams. Did D/D have a mistake on the lift? I didn't see a deduction:scratch: Either way, I'm rooting for S/S to win, and D/D to move up to bronze. I love both of these teams.

 

[oleada]

Do you understand figure skating?For me,ss pcs should be lower than P/T.P/T chemistry is much better than S/S ,and p/t skate with pure heart.They flow on the ice,they know how to perform,and have a beautiful choreograph where s/s is not as good as them!For me,I will never understand how p/t get lower marks for pcs than s/s even lower than z/z!!!!

Sorry, I have to disagree.
SS - P&T have much weaker skating skills. S&S's edging is unmatched by any of the other top pairs. Pang's skating is scratchy.
CH & TR -Their choreography is not as complex. S&S have much more interesting moves and transitions. A lot of P&T's programs are stroke stroke throw stroke stroke jump stroke twist, etc, while S/S's programs have many original moves and nothing they do is telegraphed.
PF & I - While I don't necessarily think P&T are bad performers, S&S are (IMO) better. They (especially she) have the sort of charisma that makes you want to look at them. They don't need a lovey-dovey type chemistry - and why should they when so many pairs do that style? They are always fully committed to their programs.

 

[cassieandcheetah]

Sorry, I have to disagree.
SS - P&T have much weaker skating skills. S&S's edging is unmatched by any of the other top pairs. Pang's skating is scratchy.
CH & TR -Their choreography is not as complex. S&S have much more interesting moves and transitions. A lot of P&T's programs are stroke stroke throw stroke stroke jump stroke twist, etc, while S/S's programs have many original moves and nothing they do is telegraphed.
PF & I - While I don't necessarily think P&T are bad performers, S&S are (IMO) better. They (especially she) have the sort of charisma that makes you want to look at them. They don't need a lovey-dovey type chemistry - and why should they when so many pairs do that style? They are always fully committed to their programs.

I love Robin and Aliona! I bet my bottom dollar they're going to win the Olympcis. I just like them because of the "charisma" that you just talked about too...and I don't see any of that in the Chinese skaters. Shen and Zhao had charisma, but not these guys. It makes me cringe to see them because they're just so passionless and unartistic....

 

[oleada]

Totally agree with you, cassieandcheetah! Shen and Zhao were fabulous with tons of charisma and expression - one of the all time great pairs teams. Zhang/Zhang and Pang and Tong leave much to be desired.

Aliona and Robin are very charismatic and have great performance qualities. Not only that, but they are always trying to push themselves and the sport further. They are one of the few skaters (pairs, singles, etc) that use COP to produce interesting programs. :thumbsup:

 

[ANW]

I don't know for sure whether Asian judges against each other.

I think it's funny to suggest that the Asian judges team up to help one another.

I've done countless studies of protocols and I can tell you that I have seen just the opposite---Asian judges lowballing Asian skaters from another country. China and Japan have been at odds since WW2, and Japan and Korea each have a top lady. These judges are not about to work cooperatively towards a common goal because they HAVE no common goal!

I will give Japanese judges a bit of praise, though. When one of their skaters skates poorly, they are not inclined to boost them up with high PCS/GOE scores. That's pretty unusual!

 

[pengdequan]

Sorry, I have to disagree.
SS - P&T have much weaker skating skills. S&S's edging is unmatched by any of the other top pairs. Pang's skating is scratchy.
CH & TR -Their choreography is not as complex. S&S have much more interesting moves and transitions. A lot of P&T's programs are stroke stroke throw stroke stroke jump stroke twist, etc, while S/S's programs have many original moves and nothing they do is telegraphed.
PF & I - While I don't necessarily think P&T are bad performers, S&S are (IMO) better. They (especially she) have the sort of charisma that makes you want to look at them. They don't need a lovey-dovey type chemistry - and why should they when so many pairs do that style? They are always fully committed to their programs.

For me,skating skills S/S better,but for performance,opinions vary from person to person.I think chemistry is very important.So I am still fond of P/T performance.But S/S are good,too!What I cannot agree with is their high marks for pcs even better than P/T for 2 points,if 0.5points ,that is OK for me.