Plushenko will honour us with his presence in 2010!

[jennylovskt]

btw, my money is on Joubert, and so far I lost a bundle from last season but there is hope. He is sooooo overdue.

I am curious how you think the defference between Plushenko and Joubert?

I will be equally thrilled and happy either Plushenko or Joubert wins the Olympic gold medal. But I need to see them when the season starts to decide which one I should root for or maybe I could never decide. I have defferent reasons for liking these two skaters. Plushenko has won me over (not his look, but his skating) long time ago in the heat of Yagudin and Plushenko rivalry. Of course, Yagudin was my favorite. But I have always known that without Yagudin, Plushenko would be one of the skaters to replace him in my mind. And he has. I have never liked Joubert's skating that much except highly admiring his athletic abilities and his look until that magic 2009 worlds gala performance. Besides, Chan's attack and Joubert's mature response helped to build his images. Now I really started to care about Joubert's skating. Wish he could bring a beautiful program in the coming season.

 

[seniorita]

Hey, everyone says the same about Joubert.

really?No, Joubert is overdue, doesnt have a big nose nor a mullet.

sorry, I m in happy mood.

 

[Buttercup]

+ with no choreography, no interpretation, just crossovers, only jumps- angry programs-head banging-pelvic thrusting-mugging-stop and posing, bees hunting, flirting judges but with no edges, a big nose and a mullet!

Hey, everyone says the same about Joubert.

really?No, Joubert is overdue, doesnt have a big nose nor a mullet.

Joubert's been in seniors for about as long as Plushy was in 2006, hasn't he? And he's much better looking. And I'm not sure about the angry programs bit, either, and we all know it was Alban whom the bees chased .

I think those criticisms are sometimes applied to Joubert - unfairly, by people who have a very specific idea of what figure skating should be like, and Brian doesn't fit. Personally, I like that he's fast and athletic and powerful, and not a finesse type skater, but I also like having other skaters in the sport, whose style is completely different from that. Just like it was fun having Plush around, when he was in good form. Why should all the skaters be the same? It would be dull.

 

[seniorita]

Plushenko, seems to skate determined with crossovers for the big jumps; stop and pose, and more crossovers for the next big jump.

This is a bit simplified description for any skater, he did much more than that but one chooses to see what he wants. And I thought he varies his mood a lot in the same program. By the way did Lambiel in King Arthur and Taka in Phantom had stops and poses, or we should call them artistry then?What about Jouby stops?For the record, me, I dont mind them, I see them as part of a program. I love the way they explode again anyway!

Hopefully we'll see another side to his skating this season.

hmm..he said he ' ll skate to tango, if you think adagio or nijinski were fierce programs, there is no hope this time!

unfairly, by people who have a very specific idea of what figure skating should be like

I totally agree with all your post B, it was exaxtly my point. Different style. And I dont believe any of what I wrote for Jouby also. No matter if I like his skate or not.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I am curious how you think the defference between Plushenko and Joubert?

I will be equally thrilled and happy either Plushenko or Joubert wins the Olympic gold medal. But I need to see them when the season starts to decide which one I should root for or maybe I could never decide. I have defferent reasons for liking these two skaters. Plushenko has won me over (not his look, but his skating) long time ago in the heat of Yagudin and Plushenko rivalry. Of course, Yagudin was my favorite. But I have always known that without Yagudin, Plushenko would be one of the skaters to replace him in my mind. And he has. I have never liked Joubert's skating that much except highly admiring his athletic abilities and his look until that magic 2009 worlds gala performance. Besides, Chan's attack and Joubert's mature response helped to build his images. Now I really started to care about Joubert's skating. Wish he could bring a beautiful program in the coming season.

What I admire about Joubert is his tenacity in staying in the sport. I first saw him in 2003 but I thought Lambiel was much more of a skater. They were both young but Joubert never seemed to have flow. He was a big jumper like Plushenko and that was that. Neither Joubert nor Plushenko, for me, were musical but both were jumping sportsmen. Plushenko sold his jumps to the audience better. As time went on, Joubert began to show some fluidity to his programs, and I think he got on the right track. His LP in Gothenborg was right on. Plush for me, continues in the same vane as when I first saw him. Not impressed from the beginning as a dancer on ice and hoping his return I will see him as a dancer on ice. Oh, for Lambiel! Keep your eye on Brezina this season. He's still raw but the musicality is already there.

 

[Buttercup]

Can anyone imagine watching figure skating if all of the skaters were cut from the same cloth? How boring would that be?
I happen to like Joubert and Chan and the fact that they are so different only adds to my fascination and appreciation of figure skating.
Some may like the "power" skaters and others may like the "finesse" skaters.
And then there is Evan - who seems to be in a category of his own .

I happen not to like Chan much, but that doesn't mean I want him to be like Joubert. Evan is a power skater, of course. His jump technique confuses the issue, but there's no way he's a finesse guy. Jeremy Abbott, whom I like very much, is a finesse skater.

As to Plushy getting a haircut - remember what happened to Sampson?

Well, he could always try this. No actual cutting of hair required, just some lateral movement. Or vertical movement? Anyway, I can't believe nobody has thought of it yet .

 

[seniorita]

Well, he could always try this. No actual cutting of hair required, just some lateral movement. Or vertical movement? Anyway, I can't believe nobody has thought of it yet .

Oh, No, we are dying his hair black???This haircut looks like a plant that needs watering.
I m not taking any responsibility for a plushy makeover, no way.
Plushy for me combined power with finess.
Tosca
Town which doesn't exist
Plushy.. Ballerina
I ve seen Brezina live by the way, he really is a dancer on ice.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Can someone explain what 'power' skating is, and how can one recognize it in some skaters but not in others?

Like 'passion' these words have many meanings, and I am not sure which meaning each one should be applied to a skater.

Can it not be power from Leonova and from Flatt in the same competition? and passion from Asada and from Zhang?

Just discussing here.

 

[jennylovskt]

By the way did Lambiel in King Arthur and Taka in Phantom had stops and poses, or we should call them artistry then?What about Jouby stops?For the record, me, I dont mind them, I see them as part of a program. I love the way they explode again anyway!

I am thinking of the same thing. Lambiel had stops and poses too. If it's following the story and music, I don't see why skaters shouldn't have the stops and poses either. There are many skaters in countless programs using stops and poses. Yagudin, Buttle, even Weir, and Sandhu, all those big names with the crown of artistic skaters have had stops and poses in some of their programs. It's part of the musicality and artistry. I think Plushenko has plenty of musicality and artistry. If he wants to use them, he can use them very well.

His (Joubert) LP in Gothenborg was right on.

I am a little allergic to some of his matrix movement now, so I don't like his Gothenborg LP that much. But I do like his 2008 -09 SP. I am glad that he is going to keep his SP for the coming season.:yes:

 

[psycho]

Where is all the "Weir has great transitions and fluidity " talk coming from?

Johnny used to have great transitions (Otonal, Swan, Rondo, etc.). Galina threw out transitions for consistency in the past couple of seasons, but the flow is still there.

He is going to Wilson for COP-friendly. Last leason, COP-friendly meant many transitions. Lord knows what that'll mean this year (since it changes all the time), maybe it's butt-shaking, who really knows?!

There is nothing wrong with Weir's flow/fluidity and that's not what he went to Wilson for.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

David Wilson's choreography is very intricate and intimate. I'm anxious to see if Johnny can handle it.

 

[elanna]

Yagudin, Buttle, even Weir, and Sandhu, all those big names with the crown of artistic skaters have had stops and poses in some of their programs. It's part of the musicality and artistry. I think Plushenko has plenty of musicality and artistry.

If we consider musicality and artistry as a set of stops and poses, then, of course, Plushenko has always been absolutely the greatest artist of all times and generations

 

[seniorita]

If we consider musicality and artistry as a set of stops and poses

poses and stops are part of choreography and can show also musicality and artistry and were included in programs of other skaters also..me, thats what I understood from jenny's post.

Out of subject, how many skaters does wilson choreographs this year???

 

[elanna]

poses and stops are part of choreography and can show also musicality and artistry and were included in programs of other skaters also..me, thats what I understood from jenny's post.

Then, would you please explain how it is possible to stand musically

 

[seniorita]

Skaters dont just stand and look at me and you, they do something..posture, extention, expression, arms, legs, something...is there a point to explain what i see?Maybe someone more relevant to skating can.
But I agree with Jenny, I see it as part of choreo and I have seen it in a lot of skaters. And I can think of some great moments in Yag posing with truly artistic effect.
At some point years ago, I thought it was compulsory to stop after spin combination or before straightline footwork. And I dont mind in any case, if the rules dont forbid it, then I m ok with it, rather than watching a skater gasp at last minute of program.

 

[elanna]

Thank you very much! I highly appreciate your kind explanation. I will know from now on that he hasn`t just stood,staring at the judges or spectators, no, but in high style expressed the music

 

[seniorita]

yes, thats exactly what he did in all his career, staring at the judges and audience...

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

There is a difference between compettive skatng and show skating.

Should a performance of Moonlight Sonata be the same in a competitive setting as it would be in an ice extravaganza?

 

[Mathman]

At some point years ago, I thought it was compulsory to stop after spin combination or before straightline footwork.

I think the reason skaters stop before their footwork section is to alert the technical specialist and the judges that he is now going to do that element.

This helps the officials get ready to check off the bulleted requirements, which they might miss if the skater snuck up on them by going directly into the footwork without a pregnant pause.

Same with spins. If the spin has a well defined beginning, middle and end, that makes it easier for the technical specialist to count the changes of position, changes of edges, etc.

 

[seniorita]

thanx thanx thanx mm for this , i would never have thought of that.
Thats why it is more often in cop than before the split of the program?i mean in 6.0 sometimes it was not clear when footwork started.