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Poll: Best all-around female skater?

I was also thinking only Michelle Kwan comes to mind :laugh: But I think that is a disservice to skaters like Mao and Carolina who despite their inconsistencies are among the best well-rounded skaters as well. They had their issues but...I don't know how to phrase this or clearly say what I mean... Mao and Caro seems to be more natural skaters. Mao especially, watching her skate is like watching fish in water. That's where she is meant to be. And Caro has beautiful jumps she just struggled mentally. Under rotations or not, landed or not, it boggles my mind that Mao is still out there doing triple axels more than a decade later. Kwan and Kim at their peak can sell a program like nobody's business...

Oh I totally agree with you. Mao and Caro are two of the most talented skaters ever. For me, Michelle Kwan truly had no glaring weaknesses plus amazing programs. She represents the epitome of figure skating which makes her the best of the best.
 
It is easy to get speed a-la Yuna when you have mostly crossovers.

I highly doubt that such super fast speed can easily b attained by any skater, especially those with excruciatingly slow speed on flat edge, noticeably Mao. :)
 
You could easily argue that not having a triple loop is a glaring technical issue.

I don't consider that a technical issue. Technical issue is when they keep error-ing out on a jump/move, which speaks more to a skater's inability to execute the move correctly, as opposed to leaving the move out because of health concerns in long term.
 
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I highly doubt that such super fast speed can easily b attained by any skater, especially those with excruciatingly slow speed on flat edge, noticeably Mao. :)

Asada has envious flexibility, wonderful delicacy, and artistic lines, but she definitely does not rank high in speed. She was one of the slower female skaters in Boston; Even Elizabet Tursynbayeva was noticeably faster than her.
 
Asada has envious flexibility, wonderful delicacy, and artistic lines, but she definitely does not rank high in speed. She was one of the slower female skaters in Boston; Even Elizabet Tursynbayeva was noticeably faster than her.

You have to look at how effortless she gains speed and acceleration.
 
Asada has envious flexibility, wonderful delicacy, and artistic lines, but she definitely does not rank high in speed. She was one of the slower female skaters in Boston; Even Elizabet Tursynbayeva was noticeably faster than her.

Speaking of slow skaters. My second Wife Jennifer Robinson was noticeably slower than most of the other skater's in 2001. I saw Jennifer live in 1999 and again in 2001 both times at Worlds. I chalked it up to home country nerves as Jennifer was slow as molasses and two footed her lutz and fell hard on her flip during her "Moon Ghosts" SP. She was much better in 1999.

Here's her SP from Helsinki: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HriWc0wZBro
 
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I think we already know who Ashley is as skater and how she did at Worlds is more or less what she is capable of.

As we've been talking about in a couple threads now, I believe Ashley's potential is better than what she has shown. Her expressiveness is the best of anyone, but the programs hold it back. She needs programs that have fully defined concepts and passages of choreography, making every movement perfectly evocative of the music. For example, let's look at her 2016 Worlds SP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy6VWa85UsI

What does the flying sit in this program have to do with the music? Nothing. The combo spin is not very good either. We saw at Team Challenge Cup how she added clapping movement into her camel, a perfect improvement, but that intermediate "twisted" position she tries to do is flat-out ugly. You can't do moves like that. The last part of the spin ignores the lyrics of the music as well. So how do we fix these problems? Firstly, in the section where the flying sit currently is, remove it and add more choreography. The last part of that choreographic section will be a difficult entrance into her combo spin. With this level feature for the combo spin, she can remove the ugly intermediate position that she currently tries to do, and there's now also more room to start the spin 1 second earlier, exactly in time with the music change.

Since the combo spin with this alteration would now end much sooner and transition better on the foot change, she can now pull up into that final upright position with more speed and use her arms to interpret the next lyric of "the beat" and then end the spin and do choreographic movements to the section of the music that is now going "yeah baby, that's right, I like it". That is SUCH an important part of the music to play with and project to the audience, but in her current program it's just wasted by the spin.

After that section she can then go into the flying sit we removed earlier, starting it right when the lyric of the music goes "Woo!" This would be brilliant interpretation, the flying entrance reflecting that lyric, and then the sit spin itself being exactly in accordance with the music change which has now happened. Her change of position in the sit spin would even hit right on an accent of the music that you can hear at 1:33 in the music. So now we have a brilliant, complete first half to the program.

From that point there's plenty of time to build up speed for the 2Axel, exactly where it currently is. You have to alter the current choreography to get there but that's not difficult; you're just taking out a couple of the random hops she has and that's perfectly fine because there's still enough time to get some expression in before the jump. We already put more choreography into the earlier part of the program anyway. After that 2Axel comes the solo Triple jump and for some reason at Worlds she removed preceding footwork going into it. She did put in more movement on the exit, but it doesn't make sense to remove that required preceding footwork and throw points away there. The section of the program leading up to that where she sticks her finger at the judges is quite unnecessary anyway, it would be better if the program had more dance and seamless quality into the jump.

Then the last problem with the program (aside from a couple required movements in the footwork that sadly can not be changed because of DUMB RULES) is how it lacks a real ending and the final spin feels compulsory. She just falls out of that layback and rushes into a final pose, a little behind the music. This is NOT how you are supposed to sell and complete a program. The layback needs to come earlier, without that silly half-illusion entrance she does (we already used the "difficult spin entrance" level feature earlier in the program anyway) and there needs to be choreography at the very end to complete the concept and finish exactly in time with the music. The layback should commence when the lyrics have re-entered the program right before 2:57, starting with a classic layback position and then pulling the arms in to do a speed increase, followed by the other position changes as usual. Then after the spin is over she can do a couple dance steps and sassy posing, ending exactly with the music.
 
I don't consider that a technical issue. Technical issue is when they keep error-ing out on a jump/move, which speaks more to a skater's inability to execute the move correctly, as opposed to leaving the move out because of health concerns in long term.

No, it speaks more to a skater's inability to execute a move when they do not execute it at all, rather than when they attempt it with better or worse results.
 
I'll answer with a question: what are the weak spots in Marin Honda's skating? :cool::biggrin:

I'd like her jump technique to look a little more sound but other than that not many weak spots. Time will tell the story, of course. But I love her.
 
I would rank the best all around ever female skater as follows

1. Tie. Yuna Kim - great jumps, good flow, decent amplitude, solid spins, footwork and spirals, great speed too - missing loop.
Michelle Kwan - I would include her because everything is solid. Yes her spins and spiral were easier but that was pre COP. She wold be no. 1 alone except her jumps did not have tthe amplitude of her competitiors
Joannie Rochette - surprise yes but she had all the triples adn great ammplitude, no weaknesses even her she had a strength and power shown on the ice,
Mao Asada - - she has great msuicalit y and jumps
Adelina Sotnikova She had it all
Evgenai Medveda Same as above
Julia Lipnskaiya Same as above

8. Kristi Yamaguchi soild as a rock but not special

9. carolina kostner

10. Ashley Wagner, Jill Trenary, Liz Manley, Sasha cohen, Josee Chouinard,Gracie Gold, Rosalyn Sumners,
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I highly doubt that such super fast speed can easily b attained by any skater, especially those with excruciatingly slow speed on flat edge, noticeably Mao. :)

Wow, there is opinion and then there is bias backed up by inaccurate facts. Mao has great control and edging on her spirals, especially if you compare her to the current field.
 
Medvedeva: Lets wait and see if she overcomes puberty.
Miyahara:Er... Her prerotation is Achilles' heel. It is cheat.
Radionova:I don't like her arms waving wildly,the ohers is good.

Best all around female now is Mao no doubtly
 
i disagree on Evgenia being an all-around skater. She is very consistent and does tanos (...) , that's true, but she doesnt skate smooth, she doesn't jump smooth (in combos) and she doesn't do loop combos. Her axel, like those of most of Eteri's students, is scary. Being the world champion does not imply she is the best or whatever - Adeline won Olympic gold - same story. I don't say anything about her musicality because thats subjective. But she can still improve.

Ashley, while I like her programs last season, also has weaknesses to become one of the best all-around skater. She tends to UR, has a rather vague edge on the lutz, and average skating skills. And her biggest problem is, SHE NEVERS ENDS ON TIME WITH THE MUSIC!

Yuna is talented, her jumps are rock solid when she is on, but the excessive crossovers are sometimes annoying. Her step sequences were really sub-par.

I would say the closest to best all-around is Michelle Kwan. Though not the biggest or strongest jumper, her musicality, spirals and consistency made her one of the best. And maybe Marin Honda too, but we'll see in the future.
 
I'll answer with a question: what are the weak spots in Marin Honda's skating? :cool::biggrin:

Her jump technique isn't solid and she's mostly using a single facial expression in her programs. Wide smile and/or gaping mouth. Her SP this season is "Smile" so I'm not expecting major changes in that department. The program is similar to her previous SP. She's not consistent. Basically, it's way too early for her to be considered.
 
Her jump technique isn't solid and she's mostly using a single facial expression in her programs. Wide smile and/or gaping mouth. Her SP this season is "Smile" so I'm not expecting major changes in that department. The program is similar to her previous SP. She's not consistent. Basically, it's way too early for her to be considered.
I agree with this. Marin's SS is stellar for her age. However I don't think her jumps or spins are any special. In a way she is well-rounded for now but in another sense she has no true strength except her showy style. She is good for now but I am not sure will she develop well. Her jumps have flow but they do not come with power, if she suddently gets quite taller will they stay the same? She keeps saying she will land 3A and 4S but her Axel does not seem to have much power and 4S is quite far-stretched IMO. Her spins are ok but again, nothing special. Her strength is her speed and flow but she is not the only one has it. I find Marin's programs monotonous for now. However as long as she lands her jumps, they will give her huge scores.
 
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