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Popular ethnic music in Figure Skating?

I don't know the origin of the music, but Surya Bonaly had a cool short program she skated for a couple of seasons. Her most successful performance of it was at the 1994 Olympics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd-Yv7yDQBk
Good to see you posting again, Miss Daisy!

That music of composer Dana Dragomir is called "Cries of Beirut" and it truly has a multinational spirit . Dragomir was a performer on, of all things, the Pan Flute. She was born and raised in Romania. People could not easily get out of Romania in those days, so she made a deal with the Romanian government that if they let her go to Las Vegas to perform she would agree to serve as a spy for them (yeah, right, anything you say, Comrads.)

When her career as a composer/performer didn't blossom in the U.S.as she hoped, she moved to Sweden, becme a Swedish citizen and had a successful career.

This song, Cries of Beirut, was composed in 1991 during the Lebanon riots and civil war, which resulted, after many years of conflict and misery, by the coutry being taken over by Syria. Dragiomir, alsways a step ahead, slipped the song into an album titled "Fluty Romances." Who doesn't like a nice romantic tune played on a Pan pipe?
 
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For some reason traditional Chinese music is relatively common in Russia.

Middle eastern themes are ubiquitous to an obnoxious extent in Russia.
Considering all the countries that Russia borders on, not to mention all the ethnic influences within the Russian Federation itself, they don't have to reach far to come up diverse musical choices.

Thanks for the videos.
 
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I'm not sure how much of this music would be received. It is a sport where the innovation and growth has been with Russia and East Asia for many years, but the ISU still operates out of western Europe, minor almost irrelevant skating nations that have not produced champions in decades (or ever) have outsized political influence over regulations and the direction of the sport.

There was a skater last year who was trying her best to vogue to a Madonna track, the program was quite strange and incoherent, the skater lacked voguing skills, it was memorable for the wrong reasons, yet 9.5's and 9.25's from judges at one event.

I'm not sure if she would receive these kind of scores for a perfectly executed Indonesian gamelan program. However, for a poorly executed program to 80's pop music while attempting vogue, the judges who are mostly western European or from North America maybe have a bias towards this since they probably heard it on the radio in their youth gave it some of the highest program component scores in the history of the sport.

Look at the list of officials for the women's free skate at the World Championships this year.

Caron Leanna, Ms. Canada
Ms. Leena LAAKSONEN Finland
Mr. Sandor GALAMBOS Switzerland
Mr. Filip STILLER BOROWICZ Sweden

Ms. Marina BESCHEA Romania
Ms. Tiziana MORANDI Italy
Mr. Pekka LESKINEN Finland
Ms. Anna SIEROCKA Poland
Ms. Deborah CURRIE USA
Ms. Jung Sue LEE Korea
Ms. Beth CRANE Canada
Ms. Agita ABELE Latvia
Ms. Zsuzsanna VIKARNE-HOMOLYA Hungary

Ms. Ranko HIRAI Japan
Ms. Anne FAGERSTRÖM Finland

2/15 are from Asia. To have more diverse programs, we need more diversity among the people judging these programs otherwise it is smarter for a skater to select western pop music.
 
I have the impression that most skater stay with their film, balett & classic and tango music. Not only "ethnic" but also pop or even hip-hop music it is a high risk for the PCS. Just have a look on the PCS of the short programs from Luc Economides, he loves hip.-hop and he shows it. At the cranberry cup the placing in presentation was 1st from the italian and us judges and 10th (out of 11 skater) from norwegian judge. Same last seaon for his short at Europeans there is range of 18 places *in the PCS score between the Ukrainian and the Polish judge. In his FP with a more "traditional" skating music the scores from different judges has been much closer.
 
Lori Nicole used the piece for Denis Ten first. I love the feeling of central Asia.


Daisuke Tahakahashi's 2011-2012 SP to In the Garden of Souls by VAS, which has middle eastern influence.


These are two of my all-time favourite men's programs. :love2:



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I apologise, this is OT, as the OP has specified that this thread is not supposed to be about Japanese/East Asian music, but since this discussion has come up anyway:

I am a huge fan of Riley Lee, the Australian-born grand master of the shakuhachi (his music on youtube https://www.youtube.com/@RileyLeeMusic/playlists is stunning, he plays both Japanese and other culture's music exquisitely and the concert he did in my home town years ago is one of my most treasured memories). I am also a massive fan of video game and Asian (Japanese and Korean horror, Chinese fantasy) soundtracks - I would personally adore someone to skate to Ghost of Tsushima, which was co-composed by Shigeru Umebayashi who composed the soundtrack Seimei came from, as well as House of Flying Daggers which has been used by some skaters) and think that Asian film video and TV soundtracks are a source of fresh music that comes from other cultures and yet can be accessible to Western ears. And there are plenty of orchestral suites of media - including video - composers' work in many countries, Japan included (hey, there are whole concerts of Yuzuru's music! so composers like Umebayashi and Kenji Kawai and others wouldn't be hard to adapt.)

I agree with most of this (and thank you for mentioning Riley Lee – I didn't know him, but just listened to a few of his recordings and am quite taken with them :)).

Classical concerts, specifically dedicated to figure skating music have been common in Japan for quite some time. (Just recently we had “Kanako Murakami’s classical figure skating concert”.)

That said, I don’t think that most video game and movie/anime soundtracks even need to be adapted or heavily re-rearranged to be suitable for figure skating (other than of course editing the pieces to fit the program structure and required length).

Since you brought him up – I adore Kenji Kawai’s style and his music is already well represented in Japanese figure skating.

Rika Hongo’s “Reawakening “ program (from the “Ghost in the shell” soundtrack) (https://youtu.be/EdbOJtfCvX8?t=33) or the use of “The Ballade of Puppets “ (also from “Ghost in the shell”) for the opening of Daisuke Takahashi’s show “Ice Explosion” 2023 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U_sGR50fVF14Xflix7PzIkqduBKC7hkg/view / from 5:20) both demonstrate that Kawai’s music works superbly in the context of figure skating.


What’s even more awesome is that Kawai composed all of the original music for “Hyoen 2019 – Like the moonlight” (source) and was also responsible for the re-arrangements of “Yuzu’s”* songs and composed additional bits for the latest Hyoen installment. (Here he is in the studio with director Amon Miyamoto (who was later replaced by Kikunojo Onoe), recording guitar parts for “Hyoen 2024 – The Miracle of the Cross Star”: https://www.instagram.com/p/C54x31Ppf8-/)

* pop duo from Yokohama, whose songs were used to tell the story of Hyoen 2024




What even is authentic Japanese music? Anything composed before 1853? Personally for me it's 90% crappy pop music. Video game soundtracks are probably more authentic to modern Japanese culture than shakuhachi.

If we're looking for the use of actual traditional Japanese music – with origins dating back to the Edo period – in competitive skating, there’s Muramoto’s/Takahashi’s “Soran bushi” RD (in a modern arrangement of course), which was another fan favourite.
 
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"Balkan gypsy music" performed by romanian Gheorghe Chiper, choreo. by Sandra Schär and Pasquale Camerlengo. Chiper won bronz medal, at the 2005 Trophee Eric Bompard, and became the first Romanian to ever medal on the Grand Prix.
 
Considering all the countries that Russia borders on, not to mention all the ethnic influences within the Russian Federation itself, they don't have to reach far to come up diverse musical choices.

Thanks for the videos.
Yes of course, I do entirely understand why its more likely to see these kinds of things in Russia versus the further west. Its an extremely diverse country and outside of Moscow/Petersburg its not really traditionally European. Still interesting to see Chinese music specifically to me though as often as we do. It is an extremely unique style and culture that despite everything has little to do with Russian traditions, especially the Russia where these skaters are from. You also dont really see Chinese influence anywhere else in Russia culturally, it seems to be a figure skating specific phenomena. Not that theres anything wrong with it at all though in my eyes, just an observation.

I'm not sure how much of this music would be received. It is a sport where the innovation and growth has been with Russia and East Asia for many years, but the ISU still operates out of western Europe, minor almost irrelevant skating nations that have not produced champions in decades (or ever) have outsized political influence over regulations and the direction of the sport.

There was a skater last year who was trying her best to vogue to a Madonna track, the program was quite strange and incoherent, the skater lacked voguing skills, it was memorable for the wrong reasons, yet 9.5's and 9.25's from judges at one event.

I'm not sure if she would receive these kind of scores for a perfectly executed Indonesian gamelan program. However, for a poorly executed program to 80's pop music while attempting vogue, the judges who are mostly western European or from North America maybe have a bias towards this since they probably heard it on the radio in their youth gave it some of the highest program component scores in the history of the sport.

Look at the list of officials for the women's free skate at the World Championships this year.

Caron Leanna, Ms. Canada
Ms. Leena LAAKSONEN Finland
Mr. Sandor GALAMBOS Switzerland
Mr. Filip STILLER BOROWICZ Sweden

Ms. Marina BESCHEA Romania
Ms. Tiziana MORANDI Italy
Mr. Pekka LESKINEN Finland
Ms. Anna SIEROCKA Poland
Ms. Deborah CURRIE USA
Ms. Jung Sue LEE Korea
Ms. Beth CRANE Canada
Ms. Agita ABELE Latvia
Ms. Zsuzsanna VIKARNE-HOMOLYA Hungary

Ms. Ranko HIRAI Japan
Ms. Anne FAGERSTRÖM Finland

2/15 are from Asia. To have more diverse programs, we need more diversity among the people judging these programs otherwise it is smarter for a skater to select western pop music.
Uh oh, they aren't gonna like that one son...


"Balkan gypsy music"
Another style of music that I wouldn't have though of as ethnic, but since you mention it, I must share another Petrosian performance! The name of the music "Tsyganochka" directly translates to "Gypsy Girl" (not sure if its Balkan specifically):

 
I think their Olympic SP was Masquerade Waltz, the Indian theme came after and they won the Europeans in 2016 skating to it.
Either way, they skated the Indian program in 2014 lol, and the point was that they skated an indian program.
 
Yes of course, I do entirely understand why its more likely to see these kinds of things in Russia versus the further west. Its an extremely diverse country and outside of Moscow/Petersburg its not really traditionally European. Still interesting to see Chinese music specifically to me though as often as we do. It is an extremely unique style and culture that despite everything has little to do with Russian traditions, especially the Russia where these skaters are from. You also dont really see Chinese influence anywhere else in Russia culturally, it seems to be a figure skating specific phenomena. Not that theres anything wrong with it at all though in my eyes, just an observation.


Uh oh, they aren't gonna like that one son...



Another style of music that I wouldn't have though of as ethnic, but since you mention it, I must share another Petrosian performance! The name of the music "Tsyganochka" directly translates to "Gypsy Girl" (not sure if its Balkan specifically):


In ballet (at least Vaganova method, the one I was raised with), we study carefully character dances, it's compulsory discipline in the ballet academic years, to properly perform and interpreter various character dances that are present in ballet repertoir (mazurkas, czardas, classic spanish etc etc).
I think many Russian skaters have studied ballet and must be familiar with character study.

With the risk of going to the realm of the "is it art or sport?" discussion, but with the argument that figure skating is a discipline performed with music, a skater and choreographers should have similar studies if they wish to properly interpret such pieces of music, in my opinion.
 
Errr, let us not praise the Russians too much, they have sometimes been in the vanguard of the most atrocious mangling of other cultures...
Probably but that happens in every region.

Frankly I still don't understand how Medvedeva got away with that 9/11 program though. What were they thinking? Probably the weirdest program in my opinion. Not sure exactly what examples you are referring to about "mangling" cultures but this one was different level.
 
Probably but that happens in every region.

Frankly I still don't understand how Medvedeva got away with that 9/11 program though. What were they thinking? Probably the weirdest program in my opinion. Not sure exactly what examples you are referring to about "mangling" cultures but this one was different level.
The most obvious of course is Domnina and Shabalin, which took it to a whole 'nother different level.
 
The most obvious of course is Domnina and Shabalin, which took it to a whole 'nother different level.
Ah I dont really follow ice dance. Well not closely. I'm sure that was bad but cant be worse than Medvedeva's 9/11.
 
Ah I dont really follow ice dance. Well not closely. I'm sure that was bad but cant be worse than Medvedeva's 9/11.

Yes, it can.

Someone did Zhenya wrong by giving her that program. I don't follow ladies, but I have seen that one and it was cringe in places. She did her best.

Domina and Shabalin were offensive in the extreme. Throughout the entire program. Not even close, far worse.
 
Yes, it can.

Someone did Zhenya wrong by giving her that program. I don't follow ladies, but I have seen that one and it was cringe in places. She did her best.

Domina and Shabalin were offensive in the extreme. Throughout the entire program. Not even close, far worse.
Haha well you piqued my interest and I looked up the program, but frankly I couldn't force myself to sit through it with that music. Horrible program no doubt.
 
Look at the list of officials for the women's free skate at the World Championships this year
Finland rules! The technical controller, a hudge, plus the assistant data entry person.

If a skater were smart she would have skated to a Lapland "joik," the traditional musical expression of the Sami people. The joiker can do his/her own personal joik (bestowed at birth by the elves), or the personal joik of someone he/she wants to honor, or one for the community. You can also joik spiritual principles, forces of nature (water, wind), various anumal spirits (wolf, reindeer).

 
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