Popular ethnic music in Figure Skating?
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I'm also Armenian speaking and have 2 Palestinian passports and born in Lebanon...
There was huge festival Armenian classics songs here in Montreal and the highlight was this Armenian song to dance to and skate to...
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A most interesting thread. But with most of the judges being western or leaning to western thought, giving scores to musical interpretation and the licensing of music from say the 56 ethnic minorites of China could be difficult. It would be easy of course for gala performances....maybe not for comps.
Personally, I would like to see more Chinese, Indonesian, Thai, Japanese, etc music used because that is what I listen to, along with space music.
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Personally, I would like to see more Chinese, Indonesian, Thai, Japanese, etc music used because that is what I listen to, along with space music.
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Danielle O'Brien & Gregory Merri man doing a short dance
Australian aboriginal music:
Yulara
by Scott Wilson and James Drury
Warrama
by David Hudson
Kikin Kooka's
by Scott Wilson and James Drury
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Kikin Kooka's
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Finland rules! The technical controller, a hudge, plus the assistant data entry person.
If a skater were smart she would have skated to a Lapland "joik," the traditional musical expression of the Sami people. The joiker can do his/her own personal joik (bestowed at birth by the elves), or the personal joik of someone he/she wants to honor, or one for the community. You can also joik spiritual principles, forces of nature (water, wind), various anumal spirits (wolf, reindeer).
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Alas, Mari Boine is Norwegian ;-) But I think with a little effort they could have found also Finnish joik (maybe somthing like Wimme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXlCGHoB8lU)... Sami people live in the whole northern Fennoscandia (Norway, Sweden, Finland) and Russia. There are various languages and cultures among them...
However, I am not sure how the Finnish judges (none of whom seem to be Sami) would have received the use of Sami music. Sami people are a minority in each country they now live in - with a long history of very similar suppression of culture, languages, religion etc. similar to what has happened to North American and Australian native peoples. There's been a lot of discussion of cultural appropriation, repatriation of human remains as well as artefacts taken to museums in the south etc. Not an easy topic at all!
Rahkamo & Kokko did a original dance in the 1991-2 season to a traditional Finnish polka (Säkkijärven polkka) and wore a Sami inspired costume - I think the costuming could not happen any more (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2ebPwftemw).
A couple of skaters drew inspiration from Finnish modern folk music for the 2017 worlds, Kevin Reynolds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy-WNRJYDac) and Alexander Majorov (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCYglZ5kLEQ). Both also used Finnish traditional styles in their costuming - the bling on Kevin was a little weird to see, it has to be said. Even though the choreos were eventually 95% generic figure skating, there were fleeting moments with references to the dance styles. They had actually done a respectable amount of background work for each part of the programs, so I was moderately pleased to see them both.
Reading this thread makes me wonder what could be considered "ethnic" music?
Classical music referring to distant areas and cultures? Is Madame Butterfly ethnic? (Could also extended to more recent musicals etc.)
Seimei is Japanese movie music which apart from the flute at the beginning is fairly generic movie music that could have been made and used in a movie anywhere in the world. Perhaps not the greatest example of "ethnic" music? Is "ethnic" same as "nationality" of some piece of music?
Flamenco is as a music and dance style created by the Romani people of southern Spain, another minority though it has since become so generically Spanish that even the national dance company is based on the dance style. It is taught and danced around the world and recently has been sort of rediscovered by FS teams. But should it be used because of its origins?
Tango and other similar popular dance/music styles that have spread across the globe? Ethnic or not?
Shoma Uno and the Great Spirit short using Native American music made by western DJs, using Lakota language samples and Native American religious terms. Sort of "ethnic" music but in a very culturally appropriating manner?
The recent popularity of the "oriental" or "middle eastern" music and the rather stereotypical choreos related to it has been eyeopening. Any music from Northern Africa-Near East-South Asia seems to go with very little regard to what the dance styles might be. But is seems to be ok for skaters from anywhere in the world.
The Domnina/Shabalin catastrophe was put into pretty nice research paper (available freely as a pdf here https://anthropological-notebooks.zrc-sazu.si/Notebooks/article/view/298/252). The recommendation has been actually mentioned often enough: learn about the music, culture and maybe dance, discuss it with the people who it belongs to, create a piece that they find acceptable.
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Yeah, I think maybe it would be better to speak about "world" music rather than "ethnic" music as I do not think what we hear around the rinks is strictly speaking "ethnic" anyway. "Ethnic-inspired", at the most. And I don't think skaters need to skate to traditional folk music which might not feel natural to them at all. I would rather love them to showcase some more music from the countries where they come from, which they really love themselves, be it Japanese movie soundtracks or video-game music, or k-pop, or Bollywood. That's all. I love to hear some more diverse instruments, sounds and rhythms, and some other languages than just English when it comes to vocals.
OTOH, how many skaters are really aware that when they pick up Chopin they are skating to Polish national music, deeply rooted in "ethnic" music and dances of old Poland, and - in Chopins' own interpretation - deeply connected to Polish history of the time? I suspect quite a few of them - as well as quite a few of those in the audience - are not even aware he was Polish at all, and not French
(with the noted exception of the Japanese where Chopin is wildly popular and the awareness of his nationality and cultural roots is wide spread and truly exceptional 
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OTOH, how many skaters are really aware that when they pick up Chopin they are skating to Polish national music, deeply rooted in "ethnic" music and dances of old Poland, and - in Chopins' own interpretation - deeply connected to Polish history of the time? I suspect quite a few of them - as well as quite a few of those in the audience - are not even aware he was Polish at all, and not French
(with the noted exception of the Japanese where Chopin is wildly popular and the awareness of his nationality and cultural roots is wide spread and truly exceptional ).
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figure skater, Adelia Petrosyan, performed at the Russian Youth Figure Skating Championships, under the musical composition of Armenian contemporary composer Ara Gevorgyan's 1999 album Ani.
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African folk:
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No, something from EurovisionFinland rules! The technical controller, a hudge, plus the assistant data entry person.
If a skater were smart she would have skated to a Lapland "joik," the traditional musical expression of the Sami people. The joiker can do his/her own personal joik (bestowed at birth by the elves), or the personal joik of someone he/she wants to honor, or one for the community. You can also joik spiritual principles, forces of nature (water, wind), various anumal spirits (wolf, reindeer).
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Believe it or not, I'd say there have been far worse programs/mockeries made of people/events/cultures.
Some have already been mentioned, but I'd like to throw in Anton Shulepov's Shindler's List. His costume? Half Nazi guard, half Holocaust prisoner.
(To make matters worse, his costume was nominated for "Best Costume" in the ISU awards, which the ISU then retracted saying that the SP costume was supposed to be the one nominated, although it was very clear that the ISU was just trying to save face.)
And as for just plain weird, well, we could talk to the moon and back on that one.
Medvedeva's program was choreographed by Averbukh, if I am not mistaken.
Interestingly, Ilya already exploited the theme of 9/11 when he was skating himself: https://www.goldenskate.com/2002-olympics-ice-dance-highlights/.
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While I understand the draw of popular, familiar music (in the world), a.k.a the warhorses, I am always happy when skaters bring in sound tracks that resonate with their nation, heritage and with them personally--it also makes a great conversation piece for Ted Barton or interviews, giving us an insight what the program means for a skater. I think this treatment of a musical piece will help to avoid some of the cultural appropriation problems, particularly now when the skaters represent more and more countries. Involving choreographers who are coming from the culture and not just the handful of the ones who do every program for every skater we see on TV will also help.
The biggest incentive for music with a different sound or sang in a language other than English is an enthusiastic domestic audience who knows and loves this music AND expects their skaters to skate to it.
The biggest incentive for music with a different sound or sang in a language other than English is an enthusiastic domestic audience who knows and loves this music AND expects their skaters to skate to it.
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I for one do not see anything in Evgenia Medvedeva’s 9-11 program that is offensive or in poor taste. It is an artistic depiction of human response to tragedy and catastrophe. What happened?” Who is alive? Who is dead? What dread information is encoded in all these sirens and screams and people rushing back and forth? Is my loved one torn from me or dare I still hope for a miracle? Am I wrong to pray for a personal miracle when the hopes of so many others have been snuffed out? In the final two seconds of the performance she receives a phone call. Dare she answer?
Some skating fans criticized Medvedeva’s programs in general as being too literal and detailed in miming out the story. Some prefer more nuance and subtlety, where the the music sets the mood and the movements of the skater provide augmentation and interpretation. OK either way, to me.
Art isn’t always happy. Nor is life. But if the argument is that only an American (or only a New Yorker) can experience anguish and heartache as represented by the events of 9-11… please.
Some skating fans criticized Medvedeva’s programs in general as being too literal and detailed in miming out the story. Some prefer more nuance and subtlety, where the the music sets the mood and the movements of the skater provide augmentation and interpretation. OK either way, to me.
Art isn’t always happy. Nor is life. But if the argument is that only an American (or only a New Yorker) can experience anguish and heartache as represented by the events of 9-11… please.
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I never said its insulting or offensive haha you're making it more serious than it is. I'm not condemning her I couldn't care less about that but the idea was just so bizarre to me. I mean I just think if I was a coach/choreographer, like what would make me think of turning 9/11 into a skating program? Where does that idea actually come from? Adding the 9-1-1 calls, the sirens and you can you even hear randomly in the program a kid/woman yelling and reports of the plane hitting the building or something hahahaha like its just so specific who came up with that just be honest its sort of wild. No need to explain that art can be solemn and serious to me. Those are the only programs I really like frankly and I complain how prosaic programs usually get. The specifics of that one were just really strange to see. Like it just has me wondering why and how someone came up with it. The music was nice it would've been totally fine without the extra effects. Or even just add normal stock effects.
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To me, Medvedeva’s program replayed the famous scene from Gone With The Wind (1939 movie). All the young men were off in distant places fighting the U.S. Civil War, and every day at a certain hour the ladies, old people and children would huddle around the telegraph office to receive the news of who had lost his life that day and who had been spared for tomorrow. (“Tomorrow is another day” was the author’s original working title for the novel).
Not that any of this was in the minds of Evgenia's coaches and choreographers, but I do think that it is sort of a universal theme, struggling forward through this vale of tears, etc. Of course a competitive figure skating program is not a thousand page novel or a four hour movie. A well-turned triple Lutz must stand in for 900 pages or so.
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