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Okay, here's a question. Exhibition programs. What do skaters from smaller countries with smaller budgets do? Do they not have one at all or just keep one for multiple seasons? What happens if by some weird chance a skater medals and doesn't have an exhibition program? Do skaters just bring their costume/music for that all the time to every competition just in case, even ones that we know, and they know, and everybody knows aren't even going to be *close* to the podium?
 
Another stupid question:
Throws in the pair can be really different between competitors.

Shen/Zhao, Savchenko/Szolkowy and Volosozhar/Trankov have humongous throws. On the other hand those of Kavaguti/Smirnov, sometime look barely off ground.

What are the factors making such difference?
 
Princessroja said:
Okay, here's a question. Exhibition programs. What do skaters from smaller countries with smaller budgets do? Do they not have one at all or just keep one for multiple seasons? What happens if by some weird chance a skater medals and doesn't have an exhibition program? Do skaters just bring their costume/music for that all the time to every competition just in case, even ones that we know, and they know, and everybody knows aren't even going to be *close* to the podium?
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some options
1. Perform one of their competitive programs (old or current). For example, last Korean Nationals recently included an Exhibition event. Certain medalists did not have an EX program so they performed their SP. Another one is Yuzuru skating his Parisienne Walkways as an EX for WTT.
2. The coach will help choreograph their EX. Coach Chi (Yuna's former coach and Soyoun's current coach) co-choreographed Yuna's Ben EX for the 2004-2005 season.
3. The skater will do self-choreography. Misha does this.
4. Or do improv on the ice if they're bold enough. Haven't seen this yet though

Do they not have one at all or just keep one for multiple seasons?
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Depends on what the skaters want to do. Javi did the Aerobics EX (probably b/c it's public -friendly and entertaining) a lot but he did skate his other EXs such as his other Bruno Mars ones.

For not having one, I think that's a rare occurence. See the options above!

Do skaters just bring their costume/music for that all the time to every competition just in case, even ones that we know, and they know, and everybody knows aren't even going to be *close* to the podium?
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The event organizers do invite non-medalist to be part of the galas. It is also the chance for them to earn some money since the organizers do give out a small payment for participating. Hence, it's probably is a good reason to bring extra costumes for competitions.

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sunny_stars said:
some options
1. Perform one of their competitive programs (old or current). For example, last Korean Nationals recently included an Exhibition event. Certain medalists did not have an EX program so they performed their SP. Another one is Yuzuru skating his Parisienne Walkways as an EX for WTT.
2. The coach will help choreograph their EX. Coach Chi (Yuna's former coach and Soyoun's current coach) co-choreographed Yuna's Ben EX for the 2004-2005 season.
3. The skater will do self-choreography. Misha does this.
4. Or do improv on the ice if they're bold enough. Haven't seen this yet though
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Emanuel Sandhu choreographed an exhibition program late the night before in the hotel hallway, an excellent one at that.

Gary Beacom did improv in pro competitions. Not sure about any ISU gala program though.
 
invisiblespiral said:
I would like to know who that is. :slink:
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Karel Fajfr, the bald guy with the weird glasses that coaches Michal Brezina and his sister, amongst others. He is Czech, but is based out of Oberstdorf.

And if you want to know why I brought him up, and why so many people dislike him, 20 years ago he was given a 3 year ban for, erm, let's just say he was doing inappropriate things to his students.

If you want to read more, translate these stories from German newspapers:

29[SUP]th[/SUP] September 1995: "Der Skandal-Trainer und die Eis-Prinzessin" (Bild)
http://www.bild.de/sport/2006/eislauf-skandal-trainer-1150456.bild.html

5[SUP]th[/SUP] December 1995: "Fajfr schuldig gesprochen" (Die Welt)
http://www.welt.de/print-welt/article664514/Fajfr_schuldig_gesprochen.htm

16[SUP]th[/SUP] December 2006: "Im Griff des Trainers" (Die Zeit)
http://www.zeit.de/1995/40/Im_Griff_des_Trainers


He got off VERY lightly. At the very least, he should have been banned for life from coaching!

CaroLiza_fan
 
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Thanks for the responses on exhibition programs. And wow... that was an incredibly light sentence. I'm surprised that even after the courts let him off, ISU didn't. At the very least I'm surprised (shocked would be a better word, horrified works too) that parents and skaters still wanted to work with him.
 
My question is really stupid: have anyone ever got 10.00 for transitions? Maybe Virtue/Moir or Davis/White? I've seen 10s for every component, except Transitions. Maybe there was one or two?
 
That 10 is so out of line with his other transition scores that one has to wonder if something went wrong; nevertheless, the record does show he got a 10 from one judge.
 
Icey said:
That 10 is so out of line with his other transition scores that one has to wonder if something went wrong; nevertheless, the record does show he got a 10 from one judge.
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That same judge (#3) gave him 9.50 -10.00 on components, all out of line and all thrown out along with the lowest scores from judge #9.
 
sunny_stars said:
some options
1. Perform one of their competitive programs (old or current). For example, last Korean Nationals recently included an Exhibition event. Certain medalists did not have an EX program so they performed their SP. Another one is Yuzuru skating his Parisienne Walkways as an EX for WTT.
2. The coach will help choreograph their EX. Coach Chi (Yuna's former coach and Soyoun's current coach) co-choreographed Yuna's Ben EX for the 2004-2005 season.
3. The skater will do self-choreography. Misha does this.
4. Or do improv on the ice if they're bold enough. Haven't seen this yet though
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IIRC Maria Artemieva had to improvise an ex on the fly at the Winter Universiade this year, but I don't think there was any video of the gala, so I'm not sure what she ended up doing.
 
I can think of plenty of North American skaters who jump(ed) clockwise and included triple axels (and a few who did quads).

I can think of a number of European skaters who jump(ed) clockwise. The only ones I can think of offhand who tried triple axels were Robert Kazimir and Juraj Sviatko, both of Slovakia.

Am I missing some more recent examples?

What about Asian skaters? I can't remember any clockwise jumpers from Asia at all. Well, maybe some who grew up in North America but represented their parents'/grandparents' homeland. For example David Liu, who did attempt a triple axel at least once that I've seen but was nowhere close to rotating or landing it.
 
gkelly said:
What about Asian skaters? I can't remember any clockwise jumpers from Asia at all. Well, maybe some who grew up in North America but represented their parents'/grandparents' homeland. For example David Liu, who did attempt a triple axel at least once that I've seen but was nowhere close to rotating or landing it.
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Didn't Satako have to learn to jump and spin counter clockwise due to size capacity issue in Japan that made clockwise not really an option? I am not sure they allow clockwise jumping in (parts at least) of Asia.
 
StitchMonkey said:
Didn't Satako have to learn to jump and spin counter clockwise due to size capacity issue in Japan that made clockwise not really an option?
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Can you explain this a little more? Do you mean that when a lot of skaters are practicing at the same time it is a more efficient utilization of space if they are all spinning in the same direction?
 
tugboat said:
I believe Satoko changed direction because public sessions in Japan are so crowded it was dangerous to them, and to her, for her to be jumping CW when everyone else was jumping CCW.
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Sort of like left-handed Chinese children being encouraged to learn to use chopsticks with their right hands, considering tables are often crowded. :)
 
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