Random Figure Skating Questions
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I've got another one... does anyone know what's become of Vasilisa Davankova now that Enbert's dumped her? Is she still looking for a partner or will she retire? Also any news on Yuri Larinov since Enbert took his most recent partner? Will he retire or is he looking?
I dunno if anyone will know the answer to this one but maybe some of our native Russian speakers know something the rest of us don't yet...
I dunno if anyone will know the answer to this one but maybe some of our native Russian speakers know something the rest of us don't yet...
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I did miss the question...Sorry
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I know that... but I am not asking about point/scoring. I was more curious from a skater respect standpoint, not what IJS thinks. IJS is far from perfect and how it awards points does not always make sense.
I was just wonder what most skaters think is more difficult to do/difficult to learn. For lack of a better way to put it, how do they compare in terms of "I can do X" bragging rights among skaters at various rinks. Maybe which is taught first/generally mastered first would have been better. I am interested in how actually doing them compares in the minds of the skaters, not the scoring. Does one seem easier because less can go wrong/has more a chance to fix problems? Does one need more speed/energy? Does one or the other lead to scarier falls? That is the kind of thing I am wondering.
For triples, we'd have to ask skaters who do triple-triple combos and triple-half loop-triple combos/sequences (whatever you want to call them -- the ISU/IJS has changed their policy on this, originally defining something-half loop-salchow/flip as a sequence and later changing it to a three-jump true combination).
I only know one skater working on 3T+3T and 3T+1Lo+3S well enough to ask. She didn't really give me a clear answer. I think the 3T+3T was a little easier for her. But it's hard to know how much that is because it is objectively easier or how much because she'd started working on it earlier, and spent more time on +2T combos at the end of either triples or of doubles at lower levels.
The other skater at that level I know well enough to talk to does +3Lo combos, not +3T or +1Lo+3S, so maybe they are both harder for her than loops.
From my own experience doing singles, I'd say adding a toe loop is easiest and half loop-salchow is probably a little easier than loop at the end of a combo, but only if you practice it just as much, which has historically not been common within the sport; half loop-salchow and half loop-flip combos have always been rarer than toe loop and loop combos.
The hard part about the half loop-salchow combination is getting positioned on the back inside edge advantageously both to maintain flow from the first jumps into the salchow and also to be aligned well for initiating the salchow takeoff.
Toe loops by their nature allow more room for error on the landing of the first jump.
So my belief is that it's easier to add a triple toe to the end of a combo than half loop-triple salchow. But neither one is easy -- they are both are very high-level skills. And I can't speak from personal experience in terms of knowing how the mechanics differ with triples as opposed to singles, or doubles.
I only know one skater working on 3T+3T and 3T+1Lo+3S well enough to ask. She didn't really give me a clear answer. I think the 3T+3T was a little easier for her. But it's hard to know how much that is because it is objectively easier or how much because she'd started working on it earlier, and spent more time on +2T combos at the end of either triples or of doubles at lower levels.
The other skater at that level I know well enough to talk to does +3Lo combos, not +3T or +1Lo+3S, so maybe they are both harder for her than loops.
From my own experience doing singles, I'd say adding a toe loop is easiest and half loop-salchow is probably a little easier than loop at the end of a combo, but only if you practice it just as much, which has historically not been common within the sport; half loop-salchow and half loop-flip combos have always been rarer than toe loop and loop combos.
The hard part about the half loop-salchow combination is getting positioned on the back inside edge advantageously both to maintain flow from the first jumps into the salchow and also to be aligned well for initiating the salchow takeoff.
Toe loops by their nature allow more room for error on the landing of the first jump.
So my belief is that it's easier to add a triple toe to the end of a combo than half loop-triple salchow. But neither one is easy -- they are both are very high-level skills. And I can't speak from personal experience in terms of knowing how the mechanics differ with triples as opposed to singles, or doubles.
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I think he has retired from competitive skating? Not sure, though. And for Plushy: I don't want to be harsh or something but the truth is he announces comeback to competition every year, so I'm not really sure whether he will really compete....
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She's neither recent nor notable, but Holly Cook took 90 World bronze and bombed at Nats the next year and never went back to Worlds. Then Slutskaya from 98-99. Soldatova 99-00. And Tiffany Chin 86-87.
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Thank you, that was kinda what i was going for. I know it is a bit of a blind leading the blind thing here, but still it was interesting and was what i was going for. Thank you again.
Thank you, that was kinda what i was going for. I know it is a bit of a blind leading the blind thing here, but still it was interesting and was what i was going for. Thank you again.
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Thank you for the information. For some reason, I thought he tried to make a comeback after the Olympics and got injured. Did that ever happen? Maybe I'm thinking about someone else.
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Here's what Evan was doing in July:
http://www.fashiontimes.com/article...c-skater-evan-lysacek-creative-consultant.htm
Do you suppose we will be seeing snakes on wedding dresses in the near future?
http://www.fashiontimes.com/article...c-skater-evan-lysacek-creative-consultant.htm
Do you suppose we will be seeing snakes on wedding dresses in the near future?
I think the JGP youtube channel started in 2013.
There was a rumor about him and Vera Wang.
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www.youtube.com/ISUJuniorGrandPrix was started in 2011, I believe.
Its original URL, which still works as well, was: https://www.youtube.com/user/ISUJGP2011.
Back then, it did not offer live streaming, but videos of JGP skates were uploaded very quickly -- almost in real time.
It started live streaming in 2014, IIRC.
Yes, Evan tried to make a comeback, but injury left him unable to see it through.
Unconfirmed (and ancient) rumor, which they both have denied, IIRC.
FWIW, Evan's Instagram has had photos of him with a lovely young lady who definitely is not Vera Wang and who I think is more likely to be his romantic interest.
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A couple of days ago, I was watching the Lombardia Torphy Advanced Novice Ladies SP, and it turned out that it was the 15th birthday of one of the girls taking part.
As you can compete at Senior level at 15, this prompted me to ask what ages are eligible for Advanced Novice. Golden was as usual very efficient in providing a link to the relevant rules, and I summarised what it said as follows:
Between us, we managed to answer my original question. But, it started me thinking further.
To compete at Junior level, you have to be at least 13, but less than 19. And to compete at Senior level, you have to be at least 15.
All these age ranges can be summarised as follows:
10 ≤ Basic Novice A > 13
13 ≤ Basic Novice B > 15
10 ≤ Advanced Novice > 15
13 ≤ Junior > 19
15 ≤ Senior
…on the previous 1st July.
So, given these age ranges, I was wondering:
Is it possible to skip levels?
For example, can you jump straight from Basic Novice A to Junior? Or from Basic Novice B to Senior? Or from Advanced Novice to Senior?
(I am assuming that Basic Novice B skaters can skip the Advanced Novice level and go straight to Juniors, otherwise they wouldn't be able to continue competing when they reach 15)
And, if it is possible to skip levels, can you think of anybody famous that has done it?
CaroLiza_fan
As you can compete at Senior level at 15, this prompted me to ask what ages are eligible for Advanced Novice. Golden was as usual very efficient in providing a link to the relevant rules, and I summarised what it said as follows:
Between us, we managed to answer my original question. But, it started me thinking further.
To compete at Junior level, you have to be at least 13, but less than 19. And to compete at Senior level, you have to be at least 15.
All these age ranges can be summarised as follows:
10 ≤ Basic Novice A > 13
13 ≤ Basic Novice B > 15
10 ≤ Advanced Novice > 15
13 ≤ Junior > 19
15 ≤ Senior
…on the previous 1st July.
So, given these age ranges, I was wondering:
Is it possible to skip levels?
For example, can you jump straight from Basic Novice A to Junior? Or from Basic Novice B to Senior? Or from Advanced Novice to Senior?
(I am assuming that Basic Novice B skaters can skip the Advanced Novice level and go straight to Juniors, otherwise they wouldn't be able to continue competing when they reach 15)
And, if it is possible to skip levels, can you think of anybody famous that has done it?
CaroLiza_fan
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