Is there a reason why ISU doesn't have separate judges for TES and PCS? For example, 5 judges focusing only on scoring GOE and ignoring PCS, and 5 judges focusing only on scoring PCS and ignoring technical? Since TES and PCS are supposed to be independent of each other, getting different judges to be in charge of each may be fairer. What do you think?
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I see. So they did experiment with different structures of judging panels? However, my first reaction is that if having too little to do is a reason for ISU to reject one setup, then it isn't a very good reason. In my mind, something like "resulted in poorer judging" is a better reason than "under-utilization of judges".
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I think the iSU faced a tricky situation. Previously, the panel of judges was the whole show. People wanted to become ISU certified judges and to be assigned to prestigious competitions. What overthrew that system was the feeling that there was a lot of cheating, national bias, political deal-making and the like going on. The main change in the judging system was the creation of the technical panel to call the elements, which then received a fixed base value. This put the ISU technical specialists at the top of the food chain and demoted the judges (who worked for their own national federations, not for the ISU) to "less important" things like musicality. I believe that that technical specialists get paid, but the judges are volunteers.
Maybe they don't think anyone would sign up for the job if all they had to do was punch in +1 for a triple Salchow and 0 for a sit spin. (?)
By the way GS poster mrrice mentions on another thread that in the dance competitions he judges there are three groups of three judges each to judge three different aspects of the performances.
By the way, there is a division of labor for the tech panel. In determining levels, for instance, as I understand it one person counts the number of transitions of various types, another keeps track of the the amount of time that a skater is turning clockwise and counterclockwise, or maybe focuses on the percent of the rink surface is covered, etc.
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My understanding (which could be wrong since I am not 'in the know' is that at larger competitions judges are paid a small sum (by larger I mean Worlds, Euros, 4CC, perhaps GP's) in addition to room and board and transportation. At other competition their room and board and transport is covered but they are not paid any additional sum.
Again though this is just my understanding, I'd welcome confirmation or denial from someone truly in the know.
Again though this is just my understanding, I'd welcome confirmation or denial from someone truly in the know.
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It seems the Technical Panel could be replaced with a software and an analyst.
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Practically speaking, though, I think we are a long way from that. If by "software" you mean some kind of magic robot eye that can distinguish between a Salchow and a loop jump, or identify a haircutter position in determining spin levels, first we need to work on a magic robot eye that can navigate a room without bumping into anything.
Plus, magic robot eyes are expensive to develop.Or do you mean that the "analyst" would do these things -- thus replacing three panel members with one?
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I don't know if this qualifies as a stupid question but, I'm going to ask it anyway. Where is Alissa Czisny? I ask because I remember her saying that she might consider becoming an Ice Dancer after her singles career ended. She was so talented and I loved her Man Of La Mancha program and thought she'd have a long career on the Pro Circuit doing shows.
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On TSL, she also said she was coaching (I believe in Detroit).
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For example, Shotaro Omori has mentioned/praised Alissa as part of his team of coaches at DSC.
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Really! That's great to hear as I really like Shotaro's skating. How is looking this season? On this subject, do most skater's post their schedules on their fan sites? Where's the best place to find their schedule's?
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Turning this around with a question to you: how do you propose such a setup working at a small club event where they might be lucky to get five judges?
NO. The technical panel are volunteers just like everyone else. Many who sit on technical panels are often judges for other disciplines as well.
Something like that - transitions aren't a tech panel thing, but they might divvy it up so that during a step sequence, one is looking at types of turns and steps, one is looking at upper body and rotation, another is looking for clusters, etc.
At the "big events", the organising committee covers the judges/officials room/transport. They do NOT get paid. At smaller competitions, they likely won't even get their whole room/transport covered.
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Can someone explain exactly what this is and if it could be worked into a 3-1-3 combo?
https://instagram.com/p/8tK3XNOflM/
I don't think the single jump (is it a walleye?) would count for BV but maybe it could count for GOE. I'm curious though if it's even possible to do this with a jump preceding it...let alone if it were legal. Then again it's 5am...my brain is operating on extremely low levels.
Has anyone seen my coffe?
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I don't think the single jump (is it a walleye?) would count for BV but maybe it could count for GOE. I'm curious though if it's even possible to do this with a jump preceding it...let alone if it were legal. Then again it's 5am...my brain is operating on extremely low levels.
Has anyone seen my coffe?
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what is illegal is to be up at 5am and missing an "e" for coffee the rest I can't help you with have a good morning !
and missing an "e" for coffee the rest I can't help you with have a good morning !
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I have been wondering this for a long time, but I didn't want to ask in case it blew up into a big argument. But, there have been a series of coincidences that have happened over the past few days that have led me to believe that this is as sign that it is perhaps the right time to finally ask it.
Firstly, on Monday morning, I saw that one of my Facebook friends had liked a story about Kendal Jenner. Then, later on in the same day, I was looking at the TV guide and saw that there was a programme on Channel 4 that night about Transgender relationships. And then this morning, Ray Davies (lead singer of The Kinks, and writer of their famous song “Lola”) was on BBC Breakfast.
As I’m sure most people in the world knows by now, Kendal’s Dad is former American decathlete Bruce Jenner. And in the past year, Bruce has started the process of becoming a woman, and is now known as Caitlyn Jenner.
When I first heard about Caitlyn, it started me wondering:
Does the ISU have rules for transgender skaters and, if so, what are they?
Think of it like this. Imagine if Bruce had been a figure skater rather than a decathlete. And that after a successful career in Men’s skating, he decided he needed a break. But, during this time away, he had the gender re-alignment to become Caitlyn.
What would happen if the desire to return became too much?
Firstly, would the ISU rules allow Caitlyn to compete at all? And, if they did, would Caitlyn be allowed to compete in Ladies skating?
This is not just a question about equality and rights of the transgender individual. It is also a question about fairness to the other competitors. Because, the top Men’s Singles skaters are expected to do more difficult elements to the top Ladies Singles skaters (for example, quad jumps rather than triple jumps). So, would somebody who came up through the ranks of Men’s skating have an unfair advantage over those that came up through the ranks of Ladies skating?
Come to think of it, I suppose this is one of the reasons why we don’t have mixed singles competitions any more.
During the course of this post, I have used the example of a man becoming a woman. But, of course, it could be somebody who has gone in the opposite direction, from a woman to a man. Even if you turned things around, the fundamental question would still be there – would somebody who came up through the ranks of Ladies skating be at an unfair disadvantage to those that came up through the ranks of Men’s skating?
This is a controversial subject, and I would prefer if it did not become a debate about LGBT rights. It is purely a question about whether the rules of this sport are written in a way that caters for this scenario, and about what is liable to happen should the situation ever arise.
CaroLiza_fan
Firstly, on Monday morning, I saw that one of my Facebook friends had liked a story about Kendal Jenner. Then, later on in the same day, I was looking at the TV guide and saw that there was a programme on Channel 4 that night about Transgender relationships. And then this morning, Ray Davies (lead singer of The Kinks, and writer of their famous song “Lola”) was on BBC Breakfast.
As I’m sure most people in the world knows by now, Kendal’s Dad is former American decathlete Bruce Jenner. And in the past year, Bruce has started the process of becoming a woman, and is now known as Caitlyn Jenner.
When I first heard about Caitlyn, it started me wondering:
Does the ISU have rules for transgender skaters and, if so, what are they?
Think of it like this. Imagine if Bruce had been a figure skater rather than a decathlete. And that after a successful career in Men’s skating, he decided he needed a break. But, during this time away, he had the gender re-alignment to become Caitlyn.
What would happen if the desire to return became too much?
Firstly, would the ISU rules allow Caitlyn to compete at all? And, if they did, would Caitlyn be allowed to compete in Ladies skating?
This is not just a question about equality and rights of the transgender individual. It is also a question about fairness to the other competitors. Because, the top Men’s Singles skaters are expected to do more difficult elements to the top Ladies Singles skaters (for example, quad jumps rather than triple jumps). So, would somebody who came up through the ranks of Men’s skating have an unfair advantage over those that came up through the ranks of Ladies skating?
Come to think of it, I suppose this is one of the reasons why we don’t have mixed singles competitions any more.
During the course of this post, I have used the example of a man becoming a woman. But, of course, it could be somebody who has gone in the opposite direction, from a woman to a man. Even if you turned things around, the fundamental question would still be there – would somebody who came up through the ranks of Ladies skating be at an unfair disadvantage to those that came up through the ranks of Men’s skating?
This is a controversial subject, and I would prefer if it did not become a debate about LGBT rights. It is purely a question about whether the rules of this sport are written in a way that caters for this scenario, and about what is liable to happen should the situation ever arise.
CaroLiza_fan
Hi CaroLiza_fan! I actually started a thread about this topic last year. Enjoy!
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...derations-of-Gender-and-Sex-in-Figure-Skating
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Hi CaroLiza_fan! I actually started a thread about this topic last year. Enjoy!
Thank you so much for the link, Dr. Jenn. I will now be able to peruse the issue at my leisure, with the added advantage of not having to worry about getting shouted at by other members!
And sorry that I missed your thread at the time. But I have a good excuse - I was only just back from holidays at the time it was open, and was trying to catch up on things!
CaroLiza_fan
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