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I asked this on other thread. Maybe someone here knows who else might have achieve this.
I've only seen the buckets used at elite competitions.
And 40+ years ago when I used to skate at a small rink, we used to have to fill in the toepick holes after freestyle sessions and before patch sessions, before the zamboni came out. IIRC, there were 30-minute breaks between sessions.
At local rinks, including local competitions, in the past 20 years I've only ever seen zamboni, and the resurface breaks are scheduled to take only 15 minutes, sometimes 10. Sometimes the driver or other rink personnel will walk out onto the ice to address an obvious problem with the ice, but not as a matter of course.
The technology of the machines probably do a better job than when I was a kid, and without the close scrutiny of school figures or the high stakes of elite competition, ice time is too expensive to merit spending extra time on ice maintenance.
And 40+ years ago when I used to skate at a small rink, we used to have to fill in the toepick holes after freestyle sessions and before patch sessions, before the zamboni came out. IIRC, there were 30-minute breaks between sessions.
At local rinks, including local competitions, in the past 20 years I've only ever seen zamboni, and the resurface breaks are scheduled to take only 15 minutes, sometimes 10. Sometimes the driver or other rink personnel will walk out onto the ice to address an obvious problem with the ice, but not as a matter of course.
The technology of the machines probably do a better job than when I was a kid, and without the close scrutiny of school figures or the high stakes of elite competition, ice time is too expensive to merit spending extra time on ice maintenance.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISU_Junior_Grand_Prix_Final
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Prix_of_Figure_Skating_Final
I think Sui & Han are the only ones.
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I wish they would do it at my rink! We have no elite skaters, but there's a lot of hockey. Lots of times after they clean the ice there are still a lot of big gouges left. I don't know if we have especially aggressive hockey players or if it's just that the guys making ice aren't really good - but it's really annoying.
The ice at our rink was 10 cm thick some seasons ago. People complained a lot. They renovated the rink and it's thinner and better now.
Is there any Irish representation in figure skating? We don't exactly have any permanent all year round ice skating rinks, other than in the north, so it's quite hard for us. I'm guessing there's no hope for me to go pro at all at this point, seeing how there's nowhere to practice until winter for about 2 months, and I'm already 18 years old.
Welcome to GoldenSkate, Insanium! You should go to "The Lutz Corner" subforum and check out the sticky thread at the top of the first page, "So You Want to Be a Figure Skater". This thread gathers the information and thoughts shared by posters from around the world in response to questions like yours. (The shortest possible answer: starting from scratch at 18, you won't be competing in the Olympics, but it isn't impossible to develop the skills to compete in adult competitions, potentially at a fairly high skill level. Your progress will be determined by a combination of body type/genetics, resources (including access to ice), and personal motivation.)
One of GoldenSkate's mods, CaroLiza_fan, is from Northern Ireland and may be able to speak more directly to the resources available in Ireland.
Good luck, and enjoy wherever skating takes you!
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Hello Insanium
The lack of rinks Down South is definitely a problem that needs to be sorted sooner rather than later.
Despite this, there are Irish skaters competing. The younger ones tend to come up here to train in Dundonald. But, the Senior and Junior level skaters are mostly based overseas, be it in Great Britain, Europe, or North America.
Like ribbit said, I live in the North (in Tyrone, if you're interested). But to be honest, I don't think I'm the best person to ask advice off. I have only ever been on the ice once, and all I did was a lap of the rink clinging onto the boards for dear life!
But, 15 years on, I would like to give it another try.
I'm actually going to meet a competitive skater in a few months, and I know fine well that she will be looking me to go onto the ice. So, that could be interesting!
A much better person to ask advice off is lyverbird1. She lives in Dublin, and is far more experienced on the ice. And she has also been to competitions.
All the best with your skating! I hope everything goes well for you.
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Thank you for thinking of me. Although, it does seem strange being called a "Mod".
I still see myself as a regular member, but with benefits.
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The Ice Skating Federation of Ireland has a website and a facebook account. They might be of interest to you, Insanium
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https://isai.ie
Facebook
https://m.facebook.com/iceskatingassociationofireland
Website
https://isai.ie
https://m.facebook.com/iceskatingassociationofireland
Is there a known reason why ISU doesn't list both Davis/White's SD score of 73.76 points and also Pechalat/Bourzat's SD score of 70.97 points at the 2011 World Championships as a previous record score? Obviously Virtue/Moir had already scored 74.29 points at that competition but that doesn't mean anything to ISU. If it would mean something then ISU wouldn't list Takahiko Kozuka's score of 180.79 points at the same 2011 World Championships as a previous record score either because Patrick Chan had already scored 187.96 points at men's competition. But ISU does list Kozuka's score as a previous record but not Davis/White's and Pechalat/Bourzat's scores. Why is that? ISU also list a lot of other scores as a previous record scores despite the fact that a better score had already been scored at that competition. Obviously skating order doesn't matter here, so, both Davis/White's and Pechalat/Bourzat's scores should have been listed as a previous record scores also.
Progression of Highest Score - Ice Dance - Short Dance Score. As one can see here Davis/White's and Pechalat/Bourzat scores isn't listed as they shouldn't because Virtue/Moir had already scored a better score but because ISU doesn't care about who skated first then those scores should be listed here.
http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/phsdsd.htm
Results page of the event.
http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2011/SEG010.HTM
Progression of Highest Score - Men - Free Skating Score. Kozuka's score is listed.
http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/phsmfs.htm
As one can see here, Kozuka's score was never a real record score, because Chan skated before him but because ISU doesn't care who skated first Kozuka's score have been listed as a previous record score.
http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2011/SEG005.HTM
Progression of Highest Score - Ice Dance - Short Dance Score. As one can see here Davis/White's and Pechalat/Bourzat scores isn't listed as they shouldn't because Virtue/Moir had already scored a better score but because ISU doesn't care about who skated first then those scores should be listed here.
http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/phsdsd.htm
Results page of the event.
http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2011/SEG010.HTM
Progression of Highest Score - Men - Free Skating Score. Kozuka's score is listed.
http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/phsmfs.htm
As one can see here, Kozuka's score was never a real record score, because Chan skated before him but because ISU doesn't care who skated first Kozuka's score have been listed as a previous record score.
http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2011/SEG005.HTM
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Maybe it reflects progression of TES as well?
While Kozuka's score was lower than Chan's at 2011 Worlds, his TES (98.53) was higher than Patrick's (96.44) and of Takahashi who is the next score on that list (93.98) and Plushenko, who is after him (85.25).
But D/W and P/B's TES at 2011 Worlds was higher than the TES Virtue and Moir got at 2011 4CC (35.64), which was the previous highest score.
However, neither D/W (37.36) or P/B (36.93) had a higher TES score than V/M's new TES record (37.94), which came before either of them skated skated.
Prior to 2011 4CC record, D/W had the record with their score at GPF (34.42 TES; 68.64 overall), which beat the record they got at NHK Trophy (32.28 TES/66.97 overall).
While Kozuka's score was lower than Chan's at 2011 Worlds, his TES (98.53) was higher than Patrick's (96.44) and of Takahashi who is the next score on that list (93.98) and Plushenko, who is after him (85.25).
But D/W and P/B's TES at 2011 Worlds was higher than the TES Virtue and Moir got at 2011 4CC (35.64), which was the previous highest score.
However, neither D/W (37.36) or P/B (36.93) had a higher TES score than V/M's new TES record (37.94), which came before either of them skated skated.
Prior to 2011 4CC record, D/W had the record with their score at GPF (34.42 TES; 68.64 overall), which beat the record they got at NHK Trophy (32.28 TES/66.97 overall).
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In theory it might have been, I guess, but it seems that is not the case.
Here ISU list Savchenko/Szolkowy's SP score of 75.96 points at the 2010 Olympics as a record score even though Xue Shen / Hongbo Zhao had already scored a better score and a better TES score.
http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/phspsp.htm
http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2010/SEG005.HTM
Here ISU list Shen/Zhao's FS score of 139.91 points again at the 2010 Olympics as a record score even though Qing Pang / Jian Tong had already scored a better score and a better TES score.
http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/phspfs.htm
http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2010/SEG006.HTM
I was going to say that the skates of Pechalat/Bourzat & Davis/White were after the skate of Virtue/Moir at the 2011 World Championship and that's why the scores weren't recorded. But your example of the pairs at the 2010 Olympics puts that theory to rest because Shen/Zhao skated after Pang/Tong, though maybe the inclusion of Shen/Zhao's score is just a mistake.
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My guess is that the ISU has no consistent policy, since it has ditched the concept of World Record Scores.
This is the same ISU that allowed 3 Chinese pairs to compete at 2010 Junior Worlds, although China had only qualified for two pairs due to their results at 2009 Junior Worlds. Then when fans and coaches pointed this out, the ISU had to get back the medals and change the records.
http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/archive/features/Chinese Pairs.htm
The ISU has never been particularly competent or consistent.
This is the same ISU that allowed 3 Chinese pairs to compete at 2010 Junior Worlds, although China had only qualified for two pairs due to their results at 2009 Junior Worlds. Then when fans and coaches pointed this out, the ISU had to get back the medals and change the records.
http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/archive/features/Chinese Pairs.htm
The ISU has never been particularly competent or consistent.
I guess this really is all about the inconsistent policy between ice dance and all the other disciplines because I noticed that Pechalat/Bourzat's & Davis/White's scores aren't the only ice dance scores that are missing from the record list.
The following are about the scores scored at the 2010 Nebelhorn Trophy.
I noticed that ISU list the scores of Riazanova/Tkachenko and Cappellini/Lanotte as a record scores but not the score of Pechalat/Bourzat even though that score also was above the previous record of Monko/Khaliavin. If this would have happened in any other disciplines then the score of Pechalat/Bourzat would have been listed as a previous record score but because this happened in ice dance the score didn't count as a record score. Just like Pechalat/Bourzat's & Davis/White's score didn't count at 2011 World Championships. It seems that skating order matters in ice dancing but not in any other disciplines.
Progression of Highest Score - Ice Dance - Short Dance Score
http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/phsdsd.htm
Results page of 2010 Nebelhorn Trophy.
http://www.deu-event.de/results/Nebelhorn_2010/SEG007.HTM
So, it seems that for some reason when determined what is or isn't a record score, skating order doesn't count in men's, ladies' and pairs' event but it does count in ice dancing. And this inconsistent policy seems to be consistent.
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